At the time of their signing with Miami & Cleveland, Love & Bosh were up there putting up huge numbers.
Again, it's easy to say some of those other guys are Superstars, but when you compare them to LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Shaq, are they really in the same league as those 2?
I think the easy answer is no, they definitely are not...
I agree here. Both were considered Super/Stars at the trade/signing, i believe. And obviously not now, regardless of Bosh's health. I think they got the ANTI-Pippen treatment...Superstar Lebron gets in the way of their PF game. They may be considered better playing with a star guard, Harden/Curry type, than a star like James.
I think Davis is the one mentioned in the last few posts that might be Superstar material soon.
But here's the thing that you have to consider.
Unlike all great centers before him, he has no competition at the position.
He's playing in a small-ball league which could inflate his numbers.
I'm not saying this is true, but something to think about.
Could he really be that dominant when Shaq, Olajuwon, David Robinson, Duncan, and others were young & in their prime???
I would say CP3 used to be a Superstar, but no longer is. One can move in and out of Superstar status. Same for Melo. Same for Dirk. As time passes, Dirk will be thought of as a Superstar. Melo probably will too. CP3...not so sure. Fun commercials though...but so did Penny Hardaway.
Regarding ADavis...i don't know what to think. It's no longer a big man's league, but he's not strictly an inside player. He's adapted to the new NBA. If this was the day of Shaq, Robinson, and Olajuwon, I think he'd be a PF...
Regarding ADavis...i don't know what to think. It's no longer a big man's league, but he's not strictly an inside player. He's adapted to the new NBA. If this was the day of Shaq, Robinson, and Olajuwon, I think he'd be a PF...
Yes, exactly.
That's why I believe there are less than a handful of Superstars in the league right now
LeBron & Durant a given.
I know I keep repeating this, but as good as Harden, Leonard, I. Thomas, Davis, and others are, how do they compare to LeBron & Durant?
Cmon guys they don't & we saw that in the Finals when the real truth came out.
Those 2 guys dominated like others couldn't.
Is it coincidence you see the greatest players make it to the Finals year after year & those other guys in the discussion can't get there?
LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Durant, Magic, Bird, Jordan are just examples of the cream of the crop...
10 seems reasonable in a 30 team league, right? But of your list, only 5-6 are really Active Superstars. Shaq was always considered a Superstar but he sure as hell wasn't a superstar player his last two years. Same with Bird as he lay on floor at the end of the bench for 3/4's of the season.
Your current Active Superstar's are Lebron, KD, Steph, Kwahi, Westbrook, Harden. Dirk, Melo and Wade will be Superstars again as we look back years from now, CP3 maybe. Anthony Davis and Giannis are on deck. Butler and George end up in the Reggie Miller category.
I suppose it just depends on what each person considers a Star, and what they consider a SuperStar.
In my opinion, a SuperStar is elite, few, and one of the greatest ever.
Some of us believe that the NBA used to be loaded with SuperStars, and that it has dwindled to less & less.
Let me ask you guys this.
If you were a GM, and you had LeBron, would you trade him away for James Harden or any of the other guys mentioned?
I'm pretty sure most would say "Hell No".
That alone tells you that the difference in the players are night & day.
That makes one of them "Super" & the other one a tier below.
Love the discussion & your opinions guys...<><>
When the C's land Butler and Hayward, keep their nucleus and multiple 1st round draft picks, I like the chances of this very young team
If Butler somehow goes to the Cavs, who have NOTHING to offer the Bulls, then the process to compete may take a little longer
If Butler somehow goes to the Cavs, who have NOTHING to offer the Bulls, then the process to compete may take a little longer
I know I'm in the minority, but I feel that Jimmy Butler is a tad overrated.
Kind of in the same way some said about Kevin Love's numbers being inflated in Minnesota.
I think Paul George is much better, for example.
As for Hayward, I think y'all will be looking good if you draft that guy Willie...
[h=1]Report: Celtics turned down Bulls' trade offer of Jimmy Butler for No. 3 pick in draft[/h]
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maybe Ainge agrees with you, or maybe Butler refused to sign a long term deal, IDK
Good move, Danny. I'm not crazy about Butler, either.
But Danny better be right about Fultz not being a franchise player. He effectively gave him to the most improved team in the NBA last year. Philly is super young and they were learning to be good last year. That was with last year's #1 pick, Simmons, out for the year and Embid out for about half the year. If Fultz is "that" player, watch out in a couple of years. You're next super team may be home grown in Philly.
The Celts better hope that Cleveland doesn't land Butler. Obviously a third team will be needed to make this trade. As a Bulls fan, this sickens me on a few levels. Why would you let your best player go to Cleveland? Why would you resign Wade for $24 mil? Why does the NBA let its players actively try to recruit other players?
