the shorter the time frame the harder it is to predict/give reasons for it
longer term alot easier...
and tizgloom is not rigid in his thinking if he sees the variables change to non gloominess he will become a bull
rigidity and hardheadness in the way you think only leads to you being wrong more
as you are unwilling to give in even though its apparently obvious you are wrong if you would just let go of your ego, your bias, your agenda, whatever....
tizgloom isn't a permabear
tizbull will be around some day
Actually tizdoom, I have a pretty good track record in the game of life. I'm just gonna have to keep relying on me, myself and I. I like it like that.
I find it funny that you call me hard headed. The one that spins everything into something bad.
:lol:
I find it funny that you call me hard headed. The one that spins everything into something bad.
:lol:
track record is only to the eyes of the beholder if its based on how society bases it you are lieing to yourself
to some its making lotsa money
to some its being a public figure like a baseball player or a government official
to some its being a CEO of a big corporation
to some its lots of nice stuff big cars big houses
to some its a big family
to some like me its mentally challenging yourself, trying to gain understanding of the world around you and the universe as a whole on a day to day basis and not caring what the world around you thinks of you
i had my fun with the scientist part chemical engineering bores me now....now i'm on the economic/world politics phase....i'll get sick of it eventually
to each his own
i never called you hard headed willie you just called yourself that
i never call anybody out you should know that by now
check again....i was just explaining how hardheadness creates a situation where you tend to be more wrong
to some its making lotsa money
to some its being a public figure like a baseball player or a government official
to some its being a CEO of a big corporation
to some its lots of nice stuff big cars big houses
to some its a big family
to some like me its mentally challenging yourself, trying to gain understanding of the world around you and the universe as a whole on a day to day basis and not caring what the world around you thinks of you
i had my fun with the scientist part chemical engineering bores me now....now i'm on the economic/world politics phase....i'll get sick of it eventually
to each his own
i never called you hard headed willie you just called yourself that
i never call anybody out you should know that by now
check again....i was just explaining how hardheadness creates a situation where you tend to be more wrong
Back on line with a little more time to spare.
Checking times of posts, I now recognize that you started this thread just before (1 -2 hours) you started to question the legitamacy of what I claimed.
I always try to post about things that I know of or believe to be true. When something is my opinion, I'll usually say so. These are things you can basically count on. It's very unfortunate that some have a reflex reaction to dismiss things I write about. I've been on this site for over 3 years and sometimes it's hard to tell if my posts are falling on deaf ears or blind eyes. Nonetheless, it's my opinion that I've earned enough respect not to have my writings dismissed out of hand.
Sometimes it's as simple as that and sometimes it isn't. Like I said, resources aren't infinite. It's not like you can illicit testimony or anything from a laptop. I don't think I ever made an allegation in this forum without some knowledge that it's true or that there's truth within it. If I do, I preface it with something lke "I suspect...". In the case of my claim that the ballots of servicemen were targeted for disqualification, I've written about that before and many available facts were presented. There are additional facts that weren't. It's a small fact within a much larger story. It's a story that, as the PBS segment mentions, hasn't been reported on by the mainstream U.S. media. To me that's scary and is an idictment of the current state of the media.
I could probably set out to convince you and others and I believe I would be successful (eventually). There are many facts to go along with circumstantial evidence that I think would make it virtually impossible to conclude anything other than what I have claimed. I think that sometime in the future, whether I try to convince you are not, the facts will come out and I will be vindicated.
Checking times of posts, I now recognize that you started this thread just before (1 -2 hours) you started to question the legitamacy of what I claimed.
I always try to post about things that I know of or believe to be true. When something is my opinion, I'll usually say so. These are things you can basically count on. It's very unfortunate that some have a reflex reaction to dismiss things I write about. I've been on this site for over 3 years and sometimes it's hard to tell if my posts are falling on deaf ears or blind eyes. Nonetheless, it's my opinion that I've earned enough respect not to have my writings dismissed out of hand.
Sometimes it's as simple as that and sometimes it isn't. Like I said, resources aren't infinite. It's not like you can illicit testimony or anything from a laptop. I don't think I ever made an allegation in this forum without some knowledge that it's true or that there's truth within it. If I do, I preface it with something lke "I suspect...". In the case of my claim that the ballots of servicemen were targeted for disqualification, I've written about that before and many available facts were presented. There are additional facts that weren't. It's a small fact within a much larger story. It's a story that, as the PBS segment mentions, hasn't been reported on by the mainstream U.S. media. To me that's scary and is an idictment of the current state of the media.
I could probably set out to convince you and others and I believe I would be successful (eventually). There are many facts to go along with circumstantial evidence that I think would make it virtually impossible to conclude anything other than what I have claimed. I think that sometime in the future, whether I try to convince you are not, the facts will come out and I will be vindicated.
OK Tiz, I can see you were theorizing now, my bad.
But who were you talking to when you said "people like you think you know stuff, but in reality you don't"? (or something like that)
you miss my way of thinking entirely
i see discussion on this board as developing ideas, predictions what have you
i am fully aware many of things i say are likely wrong predictions, statements whatever
i just try my best to make correction predictions and statements
also that statemnt not really calling anybody out really...i guess it is kinda sorta.....
i'm human and have a chaotic mind that's going in so many directions at once.....i will say many things that directly conflict myself as does everybody else for that matter
nobody's perfect
but that's one of the few facts that i know about life, humans etc.....
humans are very very ignorant beings on the grand scale of things even though we claim to not be
i see discussion on this board as developing ideas, predictions what have you
i am fully aware many of things i say are likely wrong predictions, statements whatever
i just try my best to make correction predictions and statements
also that statemnt not really calling anybody out really...i guess it is kinda sorta.....
i'm human and have a chaotic mind that's going in so many directions at once.....i will say many things that directly conflict myself as does everybody else for that matter
nobody's perfect
but that's one of the few facts that i know about life, humans etc.....
humans are very very ignorant beings on the grand scale of things even though we claim to not be
Tiz, I usually have no problem understanding whatever point you're trying to make, but I am today.
Have you been drinking? :toast:
I'm pretty sure I haven't had one yet, but maybe I'm wrong.
Have you been drinking? :toast:
I'm pretty sure I haven't had one yet, but maybe I'm wrong.
Tiz- gloom is only well controled paranoia. How long can the blind lead the blind before they slip and fall and cant get up?
"If your not paranoid these days (and every day I think about taking a shower in Iraq under Kellog Brown and Root/ Haliburton daddyship it gets truer and truer) youre crazy."
Only fools believe what is happening now is a figment of the imagination. Now- the credibility of the 9/11 Report is a figment of the imagination- to usher in the final phase of the great experiment to see if absolute power over the ideologies of each country and the power to print the money would have any effect on the net wealth of the Superelite is not. The final phases of this experiment are happening now so excuse us for raising our voices at times but cant you see it? Is to take away the belief in youre own conciousness- to tell you you see something you know you didnt see- to tell you until all you have left is a light-switch brain that flicks on when they want it to and off when they need it too?. To tell you to believe something- "We are actuall winning the war in East Asia" the "Bush Boom continues" There is nothing wrong with the air- its safe to breathe" "you may go back to youre offices now" whatever - the food- the water.
The Hatemasters are succeeding in turning you into someone who has a 1 in 2 chance of contracting lethal cancer- not the stuff they can treat - in your lifetime?. Is that a big enough freedom they are taking away Willie- for even you to notice? Take 20-30 years from someone?
Life is good for Dave until that steak loaded with Prions begins to make him wet his pants when he gets excited or drool when he speaks or be unable to understand what he's reading - and other neurological symptoms from contracting Prion Disease. Would you consider that in any way a loss of freedom? They control the feed made from dead diseased sheep for the animals and for humans alike and they wont take it off the shelves because they are not to blame- hiding behind that most popular for them these days of all contentions. . As Karl Rove would say "I didnt do it ! Besides - you have no proof."
Always the burden of proof is on the victim.
Remember the Hatemasters are not stupid. Yes they were geniuses in many cases but people like Hitler were not. Hitler was a failed painter with an inate ability to modulate his voice. He was not some great orator the likes of Cicero. When the words are filled with hate- genius is not applicable. I dont believe Hitler was even intelligent enough to write a novel. I believe Mein Kamph was ghostwritten for him by the real geniuses. The people I refer too are invisible- you will never hear their name spoken. You might see a few if not many on the guest list of this years Bohemian Grove though. LOL...
Maybe its just that I understand them too well and cant understand why others dont understand just what is going on. Ideologies were themselves created by the Hatemasters. Ideologies are man-made. Therefore they are capable of being abused. "When Bud Fox pleads for his father and asks Michael Douglas why he would wreck his fathers company- his answer is consistent with the idelogy of the Hatemaster "Because its wreckable!!!!!!!" he replited matter-of- factly- no emotion Joe C- the way you like it. The same no- emotion response when KBR says straight faced to Congress thast the installations they were paid billions to build and maintain for our troops and are now electrocuting soldiers in Iraq is " the Armys responsibility."
So we know that the rules are created by those who allocate to themselves the right to ideologically mess with peoples heads on a grand scale. Your general political thoughts are expertly woven into your brain by different means -television pundits.-special programs that are presumed to be the pulse of America but are not- newspapers- radio-commercials seamstresses. Each has the same woven patterm. The goal is to have 50% of the people at odds with the other half all day every day. Alot of time of time and money is spent to weave the political ideology it wants a particular country to have.. For a country like the USA. we should best give it Capitalism. For a large undeveloped area like the Soviet Union the Communist Manifesto emerges. In the USA they choose to have two major parties. If you hold the pattern of our two parties to the mirror you would see that they are mirror images. Cleverly opposed where they need be and together on some issues as well. Your politicians are parrots who have been taught to say the words that get the best response for their side.. Why it is that capitalists shudder at the thought of socialism and socialists deride capitalism. Because both idelogies were designed and remodeled over time to create a sense of complete alienation to each other. The energies are always directed at weakening the other country- the other party. whereevre these processes take place the hatemasters profit and stand ruler over all they survey. Wherever they can create a division to impulse- to fuel a drive against the opposite ideology they will- right down to paying people to come on this forum and get people to wonder -Who are they working for? . Whatever country you live in- whereever you are on this planet- you will from now on be contsantly bombarded with stimulus impulse ideological weapons both machine and fellow human - to get you to think one way or the other. You will become a Fox guy or an MSNBC guy- an O'reilly guy or a KO guy. The Hatemasters have done all this with money-power-and influence- both direct - indirect- and subliminal.
And for the guy who wants to know- I started to notice these things with Johnson- way before Carter.
"If your not paranoid these days (and every day I think about taking a shower in Iraq under Kellog Brown and Root/ Haliburton daddyship it gets truer and truer) youre crazy."
Only fools believe what is happening now is a figment of the imagination. Now- the credibility of the 9/11 Report is a figment of the imagination- to usher in the final phase of the great experiment to see if absolute power over the ideologies of each country and the power to print the money would have any effect on the net wealth of the Superelite is not. The final phases of this experiment are happening now so excuse us for raising our voices at times but cant you see it? Is to take away the belief in youre own conciousness- to tell you you see something you know you didnt see- to tell you until all you have left is a light-switch brain that flicks on when they want it to and off when they need it too?. To tell you to believe something- "We are actuall winning the war in East Asia" the "Bush Boom continues" There is nothing wrong with the air- its safe to breathe" "you may go back to youre offices now" whatever - the food- the water.
The Hatemasters are succeeding in turning you into someone who has a 1 in 2 chance of contracting lethal cancer- not the stuff they can treat - in your lifetime?. Is that a big enough freedom they are taking away Willie- for even you to notice? Take 20-30 years from someone?
Life is good for Dave until that steak loaded with Prions begins to make him wet his pants when he gets excited or drool when he speaks or be unable to understand what he's reading - and other neurological symptoms from contracting Prion Disease. Would you consider that in any way a loss of freedom? They control the feed made from dead diseased sheep for the animals and for humans alike and they wont take it off the shelves because they are not to blame- hiding behind that most popular for them these days of all contentions. . As Karl Rove would say "I didnt do it ! Besides - you have no proof."
Always the burden of proof is on the victim.
Remember the Hatemasters are not stupid. Yes they were geniuses in many cases but people like Hitler were not. Hitler was a failed painter with an inate ability to modulate his voice. He was not some great orator the likes of Cicero. When the words are filled with hate- genius is not applicable. I dont believe Hitler was even intelligent enough to write a novel. I believe Mein Kamph was ghostwritten for him by the real geniuses. The people I refer too are invisible- you will never hear their name spoken. You might see a few if not many on the guest list of this years Bohemian Grove though. LOL...
Maybe its just that I understand them too well and cant understand why others dont understand just what is going on. Ideologies were themselves created by the Hatemasters. Ideologies are man-made. Therefore they are capable of being abused. "When Bud Fox pleads for his father and asks Michael Douglas why he would wreck his fathers company- his answer is consistent with the idelogy of the Hatemaster "Because its wreckable!!!!!!!" he replited matter-of- factly- no emotion Joe C- the way you like it. The same no- emotion response when KBR says straight faced to Congress thast the installations they were paid billions to build and maintain for our troops and are now electrocuting soldiers in Iraq is " the Armys responsibility."
So we know that the rules are created by those who allocate to themselves the right to ideologically mess with peoples heads on a grand scale. Your general political thoughts are expertly woven into your brain by different means -television pundits.-special programs that are presumed to be the pulse of America but are not- newspapers- radio-commercials seamstresses. Each has the same woven patterm. The goal is to have 50% of the people at odds with the other half all day every day. Alot of time of time and money is spent to weave the political ideology it wants a particular country to have.. For a country like the USA. we should best give it Capitalism. For a large undeveloped area like the Soviet Union the Communist Manifesto emerges. In the USA they choose to have two major parties. If you hold the pattern of our two parties to the mirror you would see that they are mirror images. Cleverly opposed where they need be and together on some issues as well. Your politicians are parrots who have been taught to say the words that get the best response for their side.. Why it is that capitalists shudder at the thought of socialism and socialists deride capitalism. Because both idelogies were designed and remodeled over time to create a sense of complete alienation to each other. The energies are always directed at weakening the other country- the other party. whereevre these processes take place the hatemasters profit and stand ruler over all they survey. Wherever they can create a division to impulse- to fuel a drive against the opposite ideology they will- right down to paying people to come on this forum and get people to wonder -Who are they working for? . Whatever country you live in- whereever you are on this planet- you will from now on be contsantly bombarded with stimulus impulse ideological weapons both machine and fellow human - to get you to think one way or the other. You will become a Fox guy or an MSNBC guy- an O'reilly guy or a KO guy. The Hatemasters have done all this with money-power-and influence- both direct - indirect- and subliminal.
And for the guy who wants to know- I started to notice these things with Johnson- way before Carter.
I can only surmise that these "hatemasters", TR, must have a significantly longer life expectancy than the average population, eh?
So are LBJ, RR and Nixon still living or something? Do they not die from the same illnesses they impose upon us? Surely this is one study that would be pretty easy to do to help support your "they kill us young" beliefs.
So are LBJ, RR and Nixon still living or something? Do they not die from the same illnesses they impose upon us? Surely this is one study that would be pretty easy to do to help support your "they kill us young" beliefs.
well i know someone who thinks they got it all figured out :grandmais
honestly i really don't care TR nothing really my pawn ass can do....i'm mearly just an observer of it all
we'll see how long the "schemers" can keep the sheep calm or if there is a major uprising in my lifetime
usually major economic gloom and doom is the catalyst
ever read chaos-making of a new science TR?
honestly i really don't care TR nothing really my pawn ass can do....i'm mearly just an observer of it all
we'll see how long the "schemers" can keep the sheep calm or if there is a major uprising in my lifetime
usually major economic gloom and doom is the catalyst
ever read chaos-making of a new science TR?
Tiz-
If you mean "Through chaos- comes order" im familiar with the ideology. That is ideology of the puppetmasters as you would call them. Stir things up and make money calming things down- deconstruct in order to construct. This is their way. Not our way- not the way of the people. How could it be. Yet it exists- it is man made.
I know you can perceive this. It is the source of your gloom. We share in the knowledge of it yet realize we are but bystanders to it.
If you mean "Through chaos- comes order" im familiar with the ideology. That is ideology of the puppetmasters as you would call them. Stir things up and make money calming things down- deconstruct in order to construct. This is their way. Not our way- not the way of the people. How could it be. Yet it exists- it is man made.
I know you can perceive this. It is the source of your gloom. We share in the knowledge of it yet realize we are but bystanders to it.
<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 5600759" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>tiznow</TD><TD class=alt2>i'm not a gloomy guy the world is what it is
i just see gloom coming for the economy and world at large near term
and the "puppetmasters" having to deal with a dose of chaos </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
They are prepared for both scenarios.
(1) Avert chaos by - Concentration Camps. These camps are common knowledge to exist and are in working order and staffed. Laser weapons that burn through the skin at low power and suck the water out of your body and turn you into an instant corpse the size of a midget on High.
(Avert chaos by- silent weapon Capitulation to the massive brain washing experiment that is going on that will result in people being manuvered into being implanted by chips that will be ordered for your own benifit. They are already at the commercial stage and on TV .I saw one the other day. The woman lost track of her son- got frantic for a moment- then reached for a strange looking device with a reverse arrow showing the area the chip pulsated its tiny beacon from. She finds her son walking alone like nothing has happened. She smiles and all is well an good with the world because Duracell was there.
The Supreme Court-stacked with puppets not judges anymore will overturn the classaction lawsuit by the people against the Insurance companies. Making the implantation of the microchip at least from their perspective relative to mortality rates a requirement for health and life insurance.
Thats just one.
There will be room on the chip for hundreds of "pieces" that make up this chip for which to "help" you in some way that the implantation of the chip is the only requrement. Plastic will be phased out just like paper currency is today and the world of biometrics will begin. Get a chip for the banks security expenses or sorry you cant have acess to any bank. You wont need a key to get into your house or drive your car. You simply pass your hand over the door handle or the ignition. So for multiple reasons the chip will be implanted in everyone. And remember- whatever can be turned on can be turned off. they can turn you on. Poetic. They can turn you off. Tragic. Will they still call themselves free then?
"Aquiesce" is the word Tiz-to their hypnotic irrefutable logic that what they do is for you and for your safety and security only - and of course their fair right to make a small corporate busines profit. They truly believe they wont need Scenario #1.
The people will aquiesce instead. I can only hope they are wrong.
i just see gloom coming for the economy and world at large near term
and the "puppetmasters" having to deal with a dose of chaos </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
They are prepared for both scenarios.
(1) Avert chaos by - Concentration Camps. These camps are common knowledge to exist and are in working order and staffed. Laser weapons that burn through the skin at low power and suck the water out of your body and turn you into an instant corpse the size of a midget on High.
(Avert chaos by- silent weapon Capitulation to the massive brain washing experiment that is going on that will result in people being manuvered into being implanted by chips that will be ordered for your own benifit. They are already at the commercial stage and on TV .I saw one the other day. The woman lost track of her son- got frantic for a moment- then reached for a strange looking device with a reverse arrow showing the area the chip pulsated its tiny beacon from. She finds her son walking alone like nothing has happened. She smiles and all is well an good with the world because Duracell was there.
The Supreme Court-stacked with puppets not judges anymore will overturn the classaction lawsuit by the people against the Insurance companies. Making the implantation of the microchip at least from their perspective relative to mortality rates a requirement for health and life insurance.
Thats just one.
There will be room on the chip for hundreds of "pieces" that make up this chip for which to "help" you in some way that the implantation of the chip is the only requrement. Plastic will be phased out just like paper currency is today and the world of biometrics will begin. Get a chip for the banks security expenses or sorry you cant have acess to any bank. You wont need a key to get into your house or drive your car. You simply pass your hand over the door handle or the ignition. So for multiple reasons the chip will be implanted in everyone. And remember- whatever can be turned on can be turned off. they can turn you on. Poetic. They can turn you off. Tragic. Will they still call themselves free then?
"Aquiesce" is the word Tiz-to their hypnotic irrefutable logic that what they do is for you and for your safety and security only - and of course their fair right to make a small corporate busines profit. They truly believe they wont need Scenario #1.
The people will aquiesce instead. I can only hope they are wrong.
