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economy is horrid. retail giants like circruit city going out of business 5 miles from me. drove by there seeing shit all liquidated.
 

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and i do agree, the unemployment is over 10 percent, and then you have to include the under employed as well. the percentage of americans who dont have work or cant find enough work imo is closer to 15 than 10.
 

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Things are bad, very bad in the US (and I still have a job, for now...). Putting aside the Main Street perception of Wall Street, the financial system itself could be in jeopardy. If the system collapses, this country if not the world is f'cked.

Not to mention, the US auto industry is a few more bad quarters from extinction.

Foreclosures continue to rise, unemployment continues to climb, etc.

El PresidentO has his hands full and needs to act ASAP.
 

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willie, we did not give away trillions of dollars to dead companies in the early 80's with the taxpayer footing the bill. this is worse no matter what #'s you want to throw out there to make it all seem ok. There was also not a massive housing bubble that burst in the most populous areas of the country

the two biggest things unemployment rates do not include are:
1- folks whose benefits have run out and no longer collect a check yet are still unemployed
2- folks working a job far below what their previous role was, like the man at the verizon wireless store at the mall who owned his own mortage company for 20 years and is now pimping cell phones for 30k

no way in hell we ever reach 25% peak of the 30s on the government reported figures and if we do f for some reason essentially the entire financial system has collapsed

they put in unemployment benefits after that

also people like willie focus on the peak numbers

the problem is how long this is gonna last

i personally think UE going to 10%+ (on government reported figures) and staying there for a while

have a 10%+ inflationary blip and than picking ourselves up and companies re adding jobs after the storm passes....isn't all that bad....

depressions not about the max pain at the peak or the lagging figures

its about longevity of the pain
 
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clear channel got rid of 7 percent of its workforce today as well, largest radio group in the US.
 

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Do the US unemployment figures only include those workers receiving unemployment benefits? Many of the financial industry workers that are losing their jobs are given packages contingent upon them not filing for unemployment insurance. Therefore, if the unemployment data only includes those receiving unemployment benefits, those receiving packages are not included.
 

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Things also must be bad in advertising because obviously the only company that can afford TV ad time is Progressive Insurance (w/that f'cking annoying woman in the ads).
 

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am i one of the few if not the only one who thinks the economy is not that bad. i am about tired of this crap. yes ppl are losing jobs, they always have and always will.

i have had a feeling since this war was started that the economy would hit a boom several years after it. i think obama will get alot of credit for this and i am a fan of this guy and am glad to see him elected. but i think the economy boom will be because of what happened several years before he was in office.

the thing is that so many ppl keep talking about the economy and how bad it is. yet i see jobs everywhere. i cant notice a difference in anything that i purchase or any activities that i cant do anymore. over time the price of things will always go up. and i dont make shit for a living.

i would like to hear some thoughts on why the economy is bad, and lets keep it friendly

congrats to obama today


I didn't have time to read this thread, BUT....I want whatever this guy is smoking!

Since Obama was elected markets are down 20%...Congrats...he better stop dancing and get to work
 

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I didn't have time to read this thread, BUT....I want whatever this guy is smoking!

Since Obama was elected markets are down 20%...Congrats...he better stop dancing and get to work

I'd let him dance and party as late as he wants, as long as he shows up for work tomorrow morning ready to go. BO should be held to the same standard I'm held to (and that I hold myself to)....Work Hard, Play Hard, but don't miss work because of play.
 

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Here's another released at 9pm tonight:

Eaton says to cut 5,200 jobs to cut costs
Reuters--Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:01pm EST

BTW, I think I just heard the news anchor on Bloomberg refer to Barack Obama as the "First Blackened President" in the United States. What is he a catfish?
 

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this website does a solid job of keeping up with things on the layoff front....

http://www.layoffdaily.com/

here's today's

the big one today was non US 15k gonna be cut from a german retailer

1-20-2009 - Layoff Headlines (updated 4-8X a day)

Memorial Medical Center -47

John Laing Homes Lays Off

Providence St. Joseph -94

Ameriprise Financial -300

Phillips Electronics -96

Crown Equipment Corp. Laying Off

Clear Channel -1,850

f.y.e. Shutting 70 Stores

FH Stoltze Saw Mill Shuts Down -45

Kalitta Air Freight Grounds Jets & Laying Off

Yahoo Layoffs Reach France -52

Amsted Rail Cuts Again -206

March Networks -20

Idaho Car Dealer Closes 2 Stores -35

Warner Brothers -800

Bank of America in Dallas -85

Clipper WindPower -150

Cox Auto Trader -153

J&J May Have to Cut More

More Layoffs for Dow Chemical -60

Contractor CG Schmidt/Barton Malow -160

Interwoven -70

Clayton Homes -135

Blue Hill Hospital -15

Eaton Corp. Cuts Again -5,200

Law Firm Blank Rome -60

Snap-On Laying Off

More Boat Makers Sink

Rohm and Haas -900

Genmar Stratos -60

Grenada Lake Medical Center -14

German Retailer Metro AG -15,000

Bank of America Capital Markets Unit -4,000

550,000 Chinese Laid Off in Q4

Palm Beach Schools Prep for Layoffs

Superior Industries Closes Another Plant -290

Milliken & Co. Closing Plant -120

H.B. Smith Stops Making Boilers -47

Pearson Composites -60

PlanetOut -79

Brewer Auto Parts Closing Plant -127

Air Products & Checmicals -40

SkillSoft -150

Electronic Arts Cuts Again

GLMC -14
 

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If you don't understand the implications of this, then you don't understand economic fundamentals.

NEW YORK (AP) -- The banking crisis took an ugly turn for the worse Tuesday.
Shares of major banks plunged as investors feared that Washington's bailout efforts were stalling, potentially forcing President Barack Obama's newly installed government to take far more dramatic steps to prop up the U.S. financial system.
No major bank was spared the carnage. Bank of America's shares plunged 29 percent; Citigroup's 20 percent. State Street Corp., which reported sharply lower earnings, saw its shares plummet 59 percent.

"The financial stocks got murdered," said Jack A. Ablin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank in Chicago. "They were basically cut in half."
At the core of the free fall in bank shares were concerns that U.S. officials would need to overhaul their program of shoring up financial institutions, a day after Britain announced its second financial bailout package for its own struggling banks in three months.
Investors are also becoming disheartened that banks such as State Street are continuing to report sharply worse results despite all the bailout efforts to date. The broader economic downturn is only compounding the pain by sapping demand for loans.
The country's economic problems were already high on Obama's priority list, but the breakdown of confidence in the country's banks, occurring on the same day of his inauguration, gave the matter fresh urgency. Attention will remain focused on the banking system on Wednesday as Obama's choice for Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner, begins Senate confirmation hearings.
"The honeymoon is already over for the new administration with the way these stocks were beaten down," said Edward Yardeni, an independent market analyst. "This is not a vote of confidence."
The market's faith in the outgoing Bush administration's $700 billion bailout effort was already waning, with critics in Congress and on Wall Street saying there was little to show so far despite the massive outlays of taxpayer money. The government had already veered from its original goal of buying up toxic assets from banks, choosing instead to make direct injections of capital into banks, with few strings attached.
"The fear is that the government will come first and shareholders will come last," Joe Battipaglia, market strategist for the private client group at Stifel, Nicolaus & Co. "It's a de facto nationalization because the government has run out of choices."
Many experts believe Obama's administration will have little choice but to pump more money into the banking sector or create an entity to buy banks' soured assets such as subprime mortgages so they'll start lending again.
Both moves would signal a dramatic increase in the government's involvement in the banking sector, possibly threatening shareholders whose holdings could be wiped out in the event of a government takeover. Evidence that the banking crisis is worsening overseas also rattled investors. On Monday, the Royal Bank of Scotland forecast a loss of $41.3 billion in 2008, leading the British government to increase its stake in RBS to nearly 70 percent and launch a new round of bailouts for the country's banking industry.
 

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layoff daily, thats awesome! let the truth be told. stop over-reproducing people, you are a large part of the problem! Out of the people i know personally, over 90% of their pregnancies are "mistakes"..... real smart..... The stupid people reproduce the most.
THERE IS A LIMIT TO GROWTH AND THE SIZE OF THE EARTH!!!!!!!
 

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Ayuh...The RU482 and other "morning after" embyro snuffer drugs should be available for over the counter purchase by any female age 16+
 

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"Many experts believe Obama's administration will have little choice but to pump more money into the banking sector or create an entity to buy banks' soured assets such as subprime mortgages so they'll start lending again."


Oh, what to make of that.
 
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i would like to hear some thoughts on why the economy is bad, and lets keep it friendly
Just speaking from personal experience.

My neighbor's wife just got laid off after 15 years. My other neighbor is about 1 more payment from losing their home. I'm a mortgage broker by trade and many of my other neighbors are desperate for help and I can't do jack shit for em. I've seen my retirment plan drop by about 64%. A friend of mine who makes an honest living and lives an honest life with his family, I helped buy groceries for just last week. He tells me thats the most food they've had at home in atleast 3 months.

I could go on with personal accounts of friends, clients and aquaintences. I can't see how this economy isn't bad when just 4 years ago I couldn't list any of the accounts listed above.
 

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$20 PayPal says that the DOW will hit a days end 7000 before it ever ends 9000 again.

Dont all jump on this easy money venture at the same time.
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Especially you Bush Boomers...
 

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Ayuh...The RU482 and other "morning after" embyro snuffer drugs should be available for over the counter purchase by any female age 16+

you are correct sir!
 

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Ayuh...The RU482 and other "morning after" embyro snuffer drugs should be available for over the counter purchase by any female age 16+

that's another big problem we have as far as the world in general goes and there long term impacts that goes along with the western world being abortion happy in general....not just the birth control stuff itself......

those that have the ability to have a kid, teach them well, provide them with a good education and a very decent shot of doing well in life and continuing that process through the generations

are having less kids....

while those that live like shit and don't have the means to provide a good upbringing for their family are popping them out left and right
 

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that's another big problem we have as far as the world in general goes and there long term impacts to the overall world that goes along with the western world being abortion happy in general....not just the birth control stuff itself......

those that have the ability to have a kid, teach them well, provide them will a good education and a very decent shot of doing well in life and continuing that process through the generations

are having less kids....

while those that live like shit and don't have the means to provide a good upbringing for their family are popping them out left and right

You are correct also sir!

This is a classic depiction of what happens when people are selfish and self absorbed. I think that an environmental movement is fine, not on the legislative level, but individually. Everyone should think about ways to reduce waste and pollution on an individual level. But that is just the problem, how do you convince people to think about things worldly like this (and over-population being one of them) if they wont even work and support a family they created? Im not saying that these people in the crowd yesterday are all like that, but the reality is, the poor tend to vote democrat. If those people dont care from who or how the next SSI/Welfare check, food stamps, subsidized housing, LIHEAP, etc etc comes, do you think they are going to care the long term costs of pollution and over population?

The sad truth is once you start bailing out the failing businesses just like you have done so to the failing American, its a vicious cycle that will never cease, because it keeps feeding on itself. What lies in the wake of this carnage will be a worthless dollar, mounting debts/deficits, and cherry picking of individual liberty and freedom. I at least hope Obama inspires people to look at themselves differently. Hes a bright man, maybe, just maybe people will begin to see the light, but im pessimistic. People are dumb sheep. And what is most likely to happen is this guy will be a centrist and the mob rule mentality will prevail, and the government will become everyone's answer to everything. Long live the King.
 

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