The discussion about change without bashing

[PatPatriot]

The Bush tax cuts have kept the economy out of the cellar - the problem has been runaway congressional spending by both Republicans and Democrats.

Bingo.
And with an Obama Presidency and a democrat congress your going to have twice as much spending.

The economy isn't half as bad as they say it is.You had 3% overall growth in the econmy last quarter.People are still working.
Outside of oil prices.You have to look at your own situation and decide if your personal economic situation is bad.
With an Obama presidency you have people making 40 K a year buying 500,000$ homes and we are going to have to pay for these fucking idiots foreclosures...again personal responsibility is thrown out the window.


Raising taxes on a bad economy is the equivelent of telling a Captain of a ship taking water to shut down the engine,anyway.

 

[realestatepro]

Bingo.
And with an Obama Presidency and a democrat congress your going to have twice as much spending.

The economy isn't half as bad as they say it is.You had 3% overall growth in the econmy last quarter.People are still working.
Outside of oil prices.You have to look at your own situation and decide if your personal economic situation is bad.
With an Obama presidency you have people making 40 K a year buying 500,000$ homes and we are going to have to pay for these fucking idiots foreclosures...again personal responsibility is thrown out the window.


Raising taxes on a bad economy is the equivelent of telling a Captain of a ship taking water to shut down the engine,anyway.

You are living inside a bubble if you think the economy isn't bad. And as for people making 40K a year buying half a mil houses. Isn't that what we've kind of had already? Have you not noticed that nobody stepped in while 2/28 loans were being handed out left and right? These greedy companies give people the shaft with no lube. All this under the great Dubya. More leftist people would not want those companies to profit from the lies told to working people. We understand that big corporations ripping people off is not what leads to a strong economy.

 

[RobFunk]

They had a segment on the news the other day about people trashing brand new homes when they get foreclosed because they are pissed they felt duped into buying it. One bank is actually paying people not to trash the place when they move out.

 

[C-Gold]

Correct. He will spend to reduce oil dependancy which will lower the cost of gas, create well paying jobs that can't be outsourced which reduces hand outs, etc. It makes sense to me. The guy is pretty smart, at least give him that.

He will not lower taxes for 95% of people. Raising the cap gains and divy taxes will hit people in their 401ks as well. It is the same trash that car salesman do where they will lower the purchase price of an auto, but then raise interest rates, fees, etc.

Do you honestly think oil companies set the price of gas at the pump? They are market takers not market makers.

 

[steaktartar]

He will not lower taxes for 95% of people. Raising the cap gains and divy taxes will hit people in their 401ks as well. It is the same trash that car salesman do where they will lower the purchase price of an auto, but then raise interest rates, fees, etc.

Do you honestly think oil companies set the price of gas at the pump? They are market takers not market makers.

no but if he does what rob said...prices will be lower because demand will be lower because we will be using other energy sources other than foreign oil

 

[realestatepro]

They had a segment on the news the other day about people trashing brand new homes when they get foreclosed because they are pissed they felt duped into buying it. One bank is actually paying people not to trash the place when they move out.

I'd feel duped as well. I do agree when people say that personal responsibility needs to be taken but when you have a company telling you that you could afford it you let your dreams get in the way. When you have this lust for a new home you feel that the this loan company wouldn't finance you unless they thought you could afford it, it paints a picture in people's minds. So I say trash the damn house, the banks got greedy let them pay.

 

[NorthernStar]

My big problem with McCain is the war. Does anyone in the US really feel safer than they did before the war started? Just cutting the huge waste of the war effort will allow at least some of the money to be spent in the US for roads, bridges, alternative energy, education, helping the elderly...something constructive.

I think Reagn's economics was way over rated. He cut taxes which I think was the right thing to do and if either of the canditates does that it is a step in the right direction. The mistake Regan made was he increased spending. You can't do both. If he would have decreased spending he would have had it right.

There is way too much waste in the federal government. It needs to have huge cuts. Reduce taxes because they are spending less and use part of the savings to pay off the debt. Similar to what you would do at your own home if your ran up your credit cards.

Does anyone remember the golden fleece awards by the Wisconsin sentator. We paid something like $400k for a grant to determine why kids fall off of their tricycles. The study found out it was because they lost their balance. Their is you tax dollar hard at work.

 

[Risk44]

Change.

I think most Americans view a new direction with a Democrat as President as the Change we need in contrast to the failed GOP philosophy and policies of the last 8 years.

 

[Addict101]

Change.

I think most Americans view a new direction with a Democrat as President as the Change we need in contrast to the failed GOP philosophy and policies of the last 8 years.

Can we change Congress while were at it too? It would do us all a favor.



70-0

 

[Risk44]

Can we change Congress while were at it too? It would do us all a favor.



70-0

Yeah we can get rid of more of the Republican Congresspeople too..

:finger: :finger: :finger:

 

[Addict101]

Yeah we can get rid of more of the Republican Congresspeople too..

:finger: :finger: :finger:

Who has the majority? I'm having a memory lapse...

 

[Stocks]

Do anyone think of the Bush tax cuts to the rich like this.

The rich are giving tax cuts to themselves. The people who make the tax cuts benifit from them and then feed the public bullshit that tax cuts to the rich is good for everybody.

Sounds like shit to me and just another way for the rich to get richer

 

[DarrylParsons]

It's refreshing to see Willie thinking this way. In the past couple of decades, both parties have been all about big government and lots of spending. Only difference is what they want to spend on and how they want to finance it.

Ron Paul was the only candidate whose platform was about radically reduced spending and smaller gov't. Others paid lip service to the idea, but only Ron Paul was serious.

What we are witnessing is the fundamental weakness of the democratic system. Sometimes measures have to be taken that the majority doesn't agree with. Think about it. Is the majority always right? Of course not.

Try having a chess game where the world champ plays against the public consensus. The world champ will win easily every time. What the world needs is either a monarchy with the world champ as the monarch, or at least an oligarchy of grandmasters. As it is we have an oligarchy of patzers.

 

[gtc08]

i wouldve voted for paul, since he's not running though im voting for obama. i dont really care what happens to this country though. no president is going to change the downfall of the country, the downfall is in place and cant be fixed. just let america destroy itself in the next 10 years then rebuild.

alot of you guys are plants though thinking a president will change the attitude of this country. thats the problem with the country, the attitude. the attitude doesnt change when its passed on at a young age. thats why you see no work ethic, high crime, no respect, illiteracy, drop out rates. doesnt help that its a horrible government that feeds off that attitude either, but like i said its too late.

 

[festeringZit]

I believe you are incorrect sir.

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Obama said that if elected, he would:

•Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses.

•Cut taxes for 95 percent of "working families."

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/08/25/daily92.html?ana=from_rss

Obama is all about the middle class, something the republicans could care less about.

**** OBAMA BULL SHIT ALERT ****


Small business generally DON'T PAY CAPITAL GAINS TAX
They pay INCOME TAX

 

[festeringZit]

i wouldve voted for paul, since he's not running though im voting for obama. i dont really care what happens to this country though. no president is going to change the downfall of the country, the downfall is in place and cant be fixed. just let america destroy itself in the next 10 years then rebuild.

alot of you guys are plants though thinking a president will change the attitude of this country. thats the problem with the country, the attitude. the attitude doesnt change when its passed on at a young age. thats why you see no work ethic, high crime, no respect, illiteracy, drop out rates. doesnt help that its a horrible government that feeds off that attitude either, but like i said its too late.

GTC: no president is going to change the downfall of the country, the downfall is in place and cant be fixed. just let america destroy itself


I see GTC is back to his "America sucks, I hate America" mantra.

Moving right along....