The Bible doesn't always seem to make a lot of sense, so why should I read it?

[kayaman+]

"I wonder how atheists and agnostic explain what existed before the Big Bang."

From webster.com

agnostic:
a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

Kind of hard to explain anything if you don't know yourself, lol.

 

[SSI]

an atheist and a preacher were to have a debate, the atheist insisted on it being in a grave yard. upon entering the atheist looked at the preacher and said, " look at this place, i have no fear here whatsoever". the preacher looked at him and said sir, you also have no hope either...

Just by chance what if there is a God and Jesus was his son, what hope will the non-believer have.. its a choice guys but before id dismiss it as dribble, id check it out..

The People's Champ

 

[kayaman+]

SSI,

That's a very valid point.
I would say that following that same logic one should also check out the rest of the worlds religions, espcially taking in to account that christians only make up about 33% of the world's religions.

 

[PatPatriot]

Bottm line is that the libs are afraid of religion the bible and faith.

They try to justify there own immoral behavior by saying their is no god.Or so that they can live their life to what "feels good" instead what is right.Becuase right is not always easy,they try to innoculate themselves by saying "there is no god anyway." Then they follow the patth of least resistence because of their own weakness.Or they say "what has god ever done for Me?".....It ain't about you,never was never will be.

 

[kayaman+]

Pat,

What the hell does being lib or conserv have to do with religion?

There are plenty of both in the christian faith.

That besides the fact that one of the founding principles of our nation is freedom of religion which is why the seperation of church and state was made so clear by our founding fathers. Religion shouldn't have anything to do with politics, that would be un-American.

 

[JudgeWapner]

Pat,I am liberal and consider myself a Christian as well.What bothers me is someone telling me that my interpretation of the bible is wrong and thier's is right.After all there are many different religions and sects founded on the same book.Everyone is entitled to thier own beliefs.And I agree,religion and politics are two seperate entities.

 

[PatPatriot]

Why do you think the left wing media was in such a frenzy over a movie like the Passion of Christ?

 

[barman]

General, the Bible is made up of two primary Books - The Old and New Testaments.

We've found the NT to provide a host of spiritual lessons and principles that hold up well here in the 21st century and are a good foundation to a moral life.

The OT, otoh, is a combination of spiritual philosophies combined with mythical fables - most notably, the 'Flood' referenced above by SSI.

The fable of Noah, his ark, and the flooding of the entire planet Earth is without a doubt the most easily dismantled bit of fiction ever embraced by a large number of people as fact.

The fact that it's told with a straight face to children and adults today in any reputable church is a sad sign of what intelligent people will swallow as cause for religious dogma.

 

[kayaman+]

"Why do you think the left wing media was in such a frenzy over a movie like the Passion of Christ?"

Well myself and other libs I know have no problem with that flick. As a matter of fact as I understood it, some jews took the movie to have a anti-semantic tone, that was about it.

Personally I have no problem with religion, they only religious people that bother me are those that don't respect others and go around trying to convert everybody.

BTW Pat, why do you continue to constantly say liberal media, however on the several occasions that I pointed out the difference between CNN Headline News' coverage of the Iraq war and the CNN International's coverage of it, and how clearly Headline News was clearly trying not to step on anybodys toes in the bush2 administration you always refrained from comment?

 

[truthteller]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As long as an absence of proof of a god's existence continues, there is no reason to believe that one exists, unless you want to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just look at the Sun, the moon, the sky, I guess you think all those things just came by chance. I wonder if you stumbled on a house in the most remote part of earth if you would think it didn't have a maker?

I wonder if the split of humans between man and woman or the most complex thing called the brain was by chance too.

I truly believe people who are agnostic or atheist lack common sense.

BTW, not because you don't believe in the Bible should stop you from believing that God exist.

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Pat Buchanan and Bill O'Reilly for the White House

 

[xpanda]

With all due respect, Truth, common sense has always taught to have evidence of something before jumping to conclusions about it. A god may exist, but it has little bearing on my life, has never shown itself to me except through the words of fallible humans, and there has been plenty of science to refute said words. Should a punishing god exist who will condemn us to heaven or hell, I'm inclined to think that actions will speak loudest. I have confidence that my own version of morality has been perfectly sound, even by Christian standards.

 

[barman]

"Just by chance what if there is a God and Jesus was his son, what hope will the non-believer have.. its a choice guys but before id dismiss it as dribble, id check it out.."

BAR: Oh, we have.

And we learned that there is a God and that Jesus was but one of Her sons and that we are all loved equally, without condition.

It's not the precise message most Christian (or other religious) churches teach, but I'm glad we figured it out.

 

[SSI]

so we basically have 2 choices:

1) everything happened by mere chance, a collision of 2 rocks somwhere in the vast universe at some point in time.

2) there is a God, a creator that created everything. A lawgiver, where there are laws-- there must also be a lawgiver..

seems simple enough, 2 choices, should study throughly from both points of view and see which one makes the most sense..

by the way, the flood is not easily disproved. lots of proof for a world wide flood.. great deal more proof if you picture the earth as one land mass, that split apart in the most horrific natural disaster of alltime.. its the one thing that i believe throw the scientist the most... Listen to what some experts say about the explosion of Mt. St Helens in 1980.. If one were to happen upon the area today without knowledge of when this occured, it already gives the appearance of happening many more years ago than 24..

do some simple math, start with 8 people (Noah and his sons and their wives).. give each couple 2.5 children and expand on it for 4000 years and see that you come up with close to 6 billion people.. close to whats on the earth today, however start MILLIONS of years ago with the same equation, the number of people here would take up all the room.. wouldnt even be room to stand.. sheer mathematics backs up the story..

The People's Champ

 

[jointpleasures]

My two cents...

If there is three earth ages ( we'de be in the second ) and two floods ( worldwide and the flood of Noah ) the bible makes complete sense as far as the timeline and coorelating it with science, or should I say common sense.

 

[Jimmymak]

“Just look at the Sun, the moon, the sky, I guess you think all those things just came by chance. I wonder if you stumbled on a house in the most remote part of earth if you would think it didn't have a maker?”

Same old argument although it used to be about coming across a watch and saying there must have been a watchmaker.

”I truly believe people who are agnostic or atheist lack common sense.”

Let’s use some common sense. The above argument implies that for a complex system to exist it must have been created by an even more complex being. If this is the case then what was the more complex being who created God? Super God? And who created Super God and so on.

Logically I find it easier to believe in the evolution of man which has reached it’s peak in the sad examples of present humanity than to believe in some super super being who created God.

 

[TheGeneral+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SSI:
so we basically have 2 choices:

1) everything happened by mere chance, a collision of 2 rocks somwhere in the vast universe at some point in time.

2) there is a God, a creator that created everything. A lawgiver, where there are laws-- there must also be a lawgiver..

seems simple enough, 2 choices, should study throughly from both points of view and see which one makes the most sense..

by the way, the flood is not easily disproved. lots of proof for a world wide flood.. great deal more proof if you picture the earth as one land mass, that split apart in the most horrific natural disaster of alltime.. its the one thing that i believe throw the scientist the most... Listen to what some experts say about the explosion of Mt. St Helens in 1980.. If one were to happen upon the area today without knowledge of when this occured, it already gives the appearance of happening many more years ago than 24..

do some simple math, start with 8 people (Noah and his sons and their wives).. give each couple 2.5 children and expand on it for 4000 years and see that you come up with close to 6 billion people.. close to whats on the earth today, however start MILLIONS of years ago with the same equation, the number of people here would take up all the room.. wouldnt even be room to stand.. sheer mathematics backs up the story..

The People's Champ<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strong and solid points SSI.

 

[lander]

Where did the 2.5 children come from?

We know that several decades ago the families were much larger, as they are in 3rd World countries ...

it sounds a bit like we solved for X, stuck it in a formula and called it 'proof'

 

[Jimmymak]

"A lawgiver, where there are laws-- there must also be a lawgiver.. "

Where there is a lawgiver, there must be a lawgivers father.



"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

 

[poopsicle]

What Laws did the law giver make?

Did he make the first law of thermodynamics?

If so, why doesn't God want perpetual motion?

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

 

[Skyweasel]

there is a dog
and a dogma
I'll be barking at the nearest temple
if you need me