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After presenting a powerful teaching to His disciples concerning the Kingdom, Jesus left Galilee and traveled 20 miles west — home to Nazareth. In Nazareth, unbelief filled the hearts of His countrymen. Matthew ends this chapter saying of Jesus, ‘He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.’

In recording the same incident, Mark takes it a step further when he writes, ‘He could do no mighty works there because of their unbelief.’ It is not simply that Jesus would do no mighty works in Nazareth. Mark tells us He could do no mighty works there. He was limited by their unbelief, even as the Old Testament declares that the people of Israel limited the Holy One of Israel through their unbelief (Psalm 78:41).

Unbelief is hazardous to your health. In this passage, we see it affecting people in three ways:

Unbelief Blinds Your Eyes

'And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?' Matthew 13:54

Miracles were happening — the dead were raised, the lame were walking, the blind were seeing, the deaf were hearing. It was obvious God was working. But unbelief blinds eyes to the obvious. People are still blinded today, even though it is obvious God is real.

Just look up . . . On a clear night, you can see the Milky Way galaxy, consisting of 400 billion stars. Traveling at tremendous speed, the Milky Way swirls within itself as it is hurled across the universe — all 400 billion stars. Astronomers tell us there are at least 100 billion more galaxies each containing at least 100 billion stars.

If you compute that out, it comes to 10 billion billion stars spinning around and moving through the universe. 10 billion billion — that’s more Big Macs than McDonalds serves in a year! And when you add the planets which circle many of these stars, the figures get even more astronomical.

‘My, it must be crowded up there,’ you say. Well, state your coordinates and choose a point. Even though there are 10 billion billion stars with billions of planets around them, what are the chances of your point landing on a star, a planet, a comet, or an asteroid? The chances are 1 in 10 to the 38th power, or one in a billion trillion trillion — not very good odds. Space is huge, gang — enormous beyond our comprehension.

And yet people have the audacity, the stupidity, the idiocy to say, ‘Well it just sort of all happened.’ Truly, ‘the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God,’ (Psalm 14:1).

I recently talked with an atheist who said, ‘Jon, I hear all of your statistics on space and I hear all of your illustrations on creation, but it still doesn’t prove God exists. I would believe in God if He would prove His existence.’ ‘Well, we have a problem here,’ I said, ‘because if God proved His existence, you couldn’t be a believer. You might be a follower, but you couldn’t be a believer, for if God proved Himself, there would be no faith required.’

God is interested in developing your faith because faith is what is going to move on with you in the ages to come. He has given you evidence and indications, but He has not given you proof because if He gave you proof, you could never be a believer.

Unbelief Poisons Our Hearts

Unbelief not only the blinds our eyes, which resulted in skepticism, but poisons our hearts, which resulted in cynicism . . .

Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? And they were offended in Him . . . Matthew 13:55-57

`When a person will not believe, his heart will inevitably become poisoned towards the family of God . . . ‘Isn’t his dad a carpenter — just an ordinary carpenter? He’s not a scholar nor a rabbi, a mystic nor a miracle worker. We know his dad, he’s the carpenter. And Mary? We’ve heard about her problem. She was pregnant before she got married.’

You see, the unbeliever will always attack the family of God. His heart will become poisoned as he points out the problems of the Jim Bakkers or the Jimmy Swaggerts or the Christian neighbor. He will point out problems in the family, even though, like those in Nazareth, his facts may be wrong. Since no one — not even the most avowed atheist or skeptical cynic — has ever been able to find one single fault with Christ, they’ll attack His family . . .

‘Can you believe what a joke that minister on TV is?’

‘Look at those hypocrites at church.’ ‘Some Christian she is . . .’

And their hearts become cynical, hardened, and bitter.

Unbelief Robs You of Your Joy

And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. Matthew 13:58

When Jesus went to His home town, He would have healed many if they would have believed. Great joy would have filled that little hamlet of Nazareth. But God will not work outside the arena of faith. God has chosen to limit Himself in certain ways. And because they didn’t believe, He couldn’t work. As a result, miracles were missing. Healings weren’t happening. Joy wasn’t exploding. Unbelief is hazardous to your health. It blinds your eyes; it poisons your heart; it steals your joy.

What is the antidote for unbelief? What would the Great Physician prescribe to you and to me who, although we are believers in Jesus, are also guilty of limiting Him?

First, the antidote for the unbelief which results in blinded eyes is simply to offer prayer to God.

Paul did this when, in Ephesians 1, he prayed for the believers at Ephesus — that their eyes might be enlightened. You see, faith is not blind. Faith sees what unbelief never will.

I am reminded of the story of Elisha in 2 Kings 6 . . . As the Syrians waged war against the Jews, the King of Syria set an ambush for the Israelites. Elisha sent word to the King of Israel saying, ‘Don’t go through that pass. You’ll walk into a Syrian ambush.’ The King of Syria then set a second ambush and again the Lord spoke to Elisha the prophet, who, in turn, warned the king to avoid the area.

After the third time, the king of Syria said, ‘Someone is spying and I want his head.’ One of his advisers said, ‘King, there’s no spy in our midst. There’s a prophet in their land. His name is Elisha. He knows everything you say — even what you say in your bedchamber.’ ‘Where is this man Elisha?’ barked the King. ‘In Dothan,’ answered his advisers.

That same night, the Syrians surrounded the city of Dothan with soldiers, chariots, and armaments. The next morning, when Elisha’s servant, Gehazi, woke up, he ran to his master, shouting, ‘Master! We’re surrounded! We’re through! We’re history!’ Elisha answered him, ‘Gehazi, they that are with us are more than they that are with them. Lord, open his eyes that he might see.’

And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw; and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. 2 Kings 6:17

Elisha wasn’t worried because faith sees what unbelief never will.

Secondly, the antidote for the unbelief which results in a bitter heart is to see people in God.

Paul said, ‘I know no man after the flesh,’ (2 Corinthians 5:16). In other words, ‘I see people in Christ — washed in His blood, robed in His righteousness. That’s the way I choose to see people.’ When you see people in God, suddenly you’re not so cynical. You can just embrace, love, and enjoy them.

Thirdly, for the unbelief which robs you of joy — speak the promises of God.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6

There are many ways to please God — but not one apart from faith.

'The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.' Romans 10:8-9

Faith is worked into our lives by God’s Word. It is released from our lives by our spoken word. It’s not enough to have a quiet, internal faith. Faith is released via the mouth.

Jesus said, ‘When you see an obstacle in front of you, a mountain looming before you, a problem facing you, say to the mountain, ‘Be removed’ and it shall be removed,’ (Matthew 17:20). Speak the praises of God. Scripture is packed with promises — over 3,000 in number — a promise for every situation.

Perhaps you have a difficulty in your life, a problem in your family, a hardship financially or vocationally, tough times in school or in friendship. Jesus desires to work in those situations. He really does. But we limit Him by unbelief.

God wants us to speak His promises because it’s too easy for us to say, ‘Well, I’ve got some ideas and thoughts, some hopes and dreams, but I’m not going to go on record verbally lest I seem foolish.’ Once you have the promise of God in your heart, you need to release it via your mouth. Speak out that which has been worked in.

You will either venture out in faith, or you will vegetate. Your Christian life will either grow in faith as you see wonderful things happen in your family, in your ministry, in your life personally — or you will shrink into a churchianity. God forbid.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Hebrews 11:3

Hebrews says the worlds were framed by the word of God. When we construct a house, we don't just put up one wall and say, ‘Let’s move in.’ No, we put up all the walls in order that there might be protection, symmetry, and balance. So too with God. When He framed the world, it was framed in totality.

Therefore, we need to be students of His Word so we don’t just put up one wall in our house of faith and say, ‘Well, now, this is the way it has to be. I’m claiming the promise.’

No, solid faith, real faith, balanced faith comes by hearing the Word — not simply an isolated verse here or there.

As I study the Word, my focus changes. It’s no longer me clenching my fists and gritting my teeth, saying, ‘I’m gonna trust or bust.’

No, my focus shifts from my faith to the Faithful One — Jesus Christ.

I don’t know what struggle you might have, what difficulty you might face — but I know where the answer lies. It lies in the Faithful One, Jesus Christ.

Begin to venture out radically and watch what the Lord does joyfully. He wants to come into your Nazareth and do a mighty work.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Larry Wiley:
Marco, you're assuming a pot has a say so in how the potter molds it. IMVHO, everyone is precisely where God wants him or her to be as for as their belief or non belief system goes. Theologically, everyone is in their proper 'state of grace'.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Larry, let's pretend that you're on to something here ...

if God has put us (forced us, if you will) in his 'state of grace', then anything done wrong would be his doings. How could we be held responsible for our actions?

I don't buy this - we'd have 20 billion people running around like Bushie saying "but God told me to do it."

Furthermore, unless humanity has free will there seems to be little point for the Bible. We'd just be programmed to do what God wants without having materials at hand to help us choose our own path.
 

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Religion is an extension of human vanity, fulfilling a need to 'feel unique or special'.

That "I'm so wonderful that I must live forever." mentality.

It feeds a psychological need for many people, like money (another abstract concept) feeds greed and power and security.

You don't 'need' money, but it endures because it fulfils 'perceived human needs'.

Technologically, humans are pretty advanced.

Psychologically, well we're not much different from the Greeks Egyptians etc from thousands of years ago.(And they had no Bible BTW)
 

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can someone summarize railbirds post in one or two sentences please.
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Railbird....When you stated "Miracles were happening -- the dead were raised, the lame were walking, the blind were seeing, the deaf were hearing. It was obvious God was working. But unbelief blinds eyes to the obvious. People are blinded today, even though it is obvious God is real."

So if all this happened some 2000 years ago and is true....what proof exists that this is still happening in this day and age? When was the last time someone crawled out of thier grave and made the world fall over in amazement? What about this is all so "obvious"?

Ironic thing is that when people talk about UFO's or such like that they are scoffed at because thier stories are so incredible and fall out of the realm of everyday living, yet these same people who would scoff at someone who might have seen a UFO are unyielding in thier faith to a religion, a faith which tells stories of equally unbelievable amazement, the same scale of stories that the UFO spotter is telling. So where is the standard there?

I'm supposed to believe water turned into wine and people crawled out of thier graves some 2000 years ago and at the same time I'm supposed to scoff at the mere thought or possibility of life on other places in a huge galaxy.????
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If, as Christianity has it, that Jesus really did exist and someday will come back for his followers and believers....why not give future generations some concrete evidence for his existence? If you want belief bring evidence. It happens everyday in courts all over the world.

Asking people to remain faithful over thousands of years without giving them something to lean on is about like getting rid of all the prison staff.....all the guards, cooks, you name it, they leave....then the warden turns around and says "I'm leaving, I will be back sometime, I don't know when, but here are the keys to the doors and the front gate, you inmates are the only ones left in here, and you stay here until I get back." OK...I guess in 2000 years we all go back and find the bones of every prisoner there...
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And according to the creation of the universe you say "And people have the audacity, the stupidity, the idiocy to say, "well it just sort of all happened.".......

So really, how audacious is it to state that it may have all happened, compared to most religions explanation of some deity waving his arms? Both would be guesses at best, and both would be equally audacious, equally stupid, and both incredibly PRESUMPTUOUS, given the fact that there is little to support either theory. Stating that a deity created the universe and all things contained is just as arrogant as saying it all just happened....

When you say that unbelievers will attack the family of God and point out the problems of the Swaggerts or Bakkers or the Christian neighbor....probably because most of these people just mentioned carry an attitude or aura that they are somehow better than thier "heathen" counterparts....that somehow going to church every Sunday places them on some moral high ground compared to thier wicked neighbors who choose not to go to church. All of a sudden thier $hit doesn't stink. Reality would say that they put thier pants on the same as everybody else, one leg at a time.....they have just as much criminality laced into thier personal lives as do a lot of the unbelievers...

Barring gender traits and heredity factors, the only difference between people is how they lead thier lives and how they go about day-to-day living......to be judged on one's ability to believe in a deity in order to be saved is still all kiss-ass to me....it would appear more to be a way to escape the fear of death and the possible reality that there is no life after death.
 

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I believe in a God as well as I believe in Jesus and his works.However I do not have all the answers,no do I have a direct line to God. What bothers me are those who "know" what Gods intentions are and are so rigid in thier thinking that anyone who disagrees with them are wrong and a sinner.Belief is just that belief,not knowledge.Therefore we should be tolerant of others beliefs.This lack of tolerance is what has driven me away from organized religion.
 

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I believe in God but sometimes I wonder if it is just because I am afraid not to.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAMEFACE:
It's actually more of stretch to believe theirs not a GOD.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? As long as an absence of proof of a god's existence continues, there is no reason to believe that one exists, unless you want to. Which is fine, don't get me wrong (to each his own) but it is definitely NOT a stretch to not believe in the existence of something you've never seen. (Please don't bore me with biblical references -- the bible was written by people who are more often wrong than right; the same applies to all other religious books.)

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic schools, my uncle is a Priest in fact, and I have seen many more reasons to reject the bible than to support it. It is a racist, sexist, xenophobic bit of literature that spews hate under the guise of brotherly love, and is supported by various organisations who routinely make a mockery of that which they profess to embrace.

As an historical reference, the bible serves a purpose. But as a guidebook on life, it is far too hypocritical and contradictory to determine society's acceptable levels of morality.
 

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xpanda,

I believe your feminist views are well known which would explain your reluctance to validate the Bible and it's stereotypes against women. In fact, I have yet to meet any self-proclaimed feminist that would do such a thing because I've been told ad infinitum that it would undermine all that women have accomplished over the last 30 years.

I believe not because of theology but because to me it's easier to believe based on probability that this place and all it's complexity was created rather than trial and error by the cosmos, imo something similar to solving a Rubik's cube by chance. I've also had experiences with the other side of the spectrum and trust me, it ain't like the Exorcist, any normal person would be scared sh!tless.

No offense to you, but in my studies I've found that Catholics by and large do not know the Bible with any sort of proficiency especially when you get into the doctrinal stuff. I've been to church probably 5 times in the last 3 years with my bro-in-law and the Reverend lit what I hope was incense and shook it all over the place. I was "asked" to spit out my gum and remove my hat. I didn't question their motives because I was a guest. Based on my knowledge of the Bible, their actions are dubious at best.

I can agree with your assessment about racists, sexists and the lot being in the Bible but the presence of those groups shouldn't tarnish the overall message. It kind of reminds me of the lady with whom I work that wouldn't let her kid see Lord of the Rings because of the violence and mythological premise but would let him go to church. The Bible has a lot more violence than Lord of the Rings but he wasn't deprived of that privilege.

To get on a soapbox here I think this equality garbage should be rooted out once and for all. I'm sorry that women, blacks, whites, Inuits and whomever else are the victims of discrimination but there will never be equality in the world. No matter how cool or desirous I think the world would be if it was full of a bunch of me's, it wouldn't be very interesting.
 
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If there was the internet and Tv and all of this stuff 2000 years ago, do any of you really think Jesus would be a big religious figure?
I think if Jesus existed today he would have a show in Vegas. "come see jesus and his amazing walk on water trick and his amazing feed the audience with 3 fish and 3 loaves of bread..."

Also if adam and eve were the 1st 2 people , and they had 2 sons....WHERE THE HELL DID EVERYONE ELSE COME FROM???????????????
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I grew up Catholic - I am not now trying to put down Catholicism, any religion, God/Jesus or the Bible - but I think God cares more about the type of person you are - do you have hate in your heart? do you condemn everyone else? do you have a miserable life and try to make others miserable? or do you help others? you have to ask yourself this question: IF EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD WAS JUST LIKE ME WHAT KIND OF WORLD WOULD WE BE LIVING IN? - I would not so much worry about the Bible but I would try to do things to improve others lives - I would forget this condemnation of everyone else's actions - isn't this what Jesus was doing anyways?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr NJ Sports:
If there was the internet and Tv and all of this stuff 2000 years ago, do any of you really think Jesus would be a big religious figure?
I think if Jesus existed today he would have a show in Vegas. "come see jesus and his amazing walk on water trick and his amazing feed the audience with 3 fish and 3 loaves of bread..."

Also if adam and eve were the 1st 2 people , and they had 2 sons....WHERE THE HELL DID EVERYONE ELSE COME FROM???????????????
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Sounds a little southern
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When you think of things such as the human body and the bio system,it's hard to believe this world came about randomly.It's too incredible.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Uncle Moneybags:
xpanda,

I believe your feminist views are well known which would explain your reluctance to validate the Bible and it's stereotypes against women. In fact, I have yet to meet any self-proclaimed feminist that would do such a thing because I've been told ad infinitum that it would undermine all that women have accomplished over the last 30 years.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Religion, regardless of its form, has tended to be very patriarchal, and patriarchy is generally not good for women. So, of course feminism and religion don't mix well in the mind of a feminist. However, I think part of my development from a tomboy child to feminist adult has a little to do with my Catholic upbringing, rather than my feminism causing me to reject religion. I began to reject the bible around the age of 12, long before I'd heard the word feminist.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I believe not because of theology but because to me it's easier to believe based on probability that this place and all it's complexity was created rather than trial and error by the cosmos, imo something similar to solving a Rubik's cube by chance. I've also had experiences with the other side of the spectrum and trust me, it ain't like the Exorcist, any normal person would be scared sh!tless.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Live and let live, is my motto. I believe theists have as much a right to their views as atheists. Interestingly, I believe in ghosts, although I'm not sure why that is or why that belief doesn't lead me to believe in god.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No offense to you, but in my studies I've found that Catholics by and large do not know the Bible with any sort of proficiency especially when you get into the doctrinal stuff. I've been to church probably 5 times in the last 3 years with my bro-in-law and the Reverend lit what I hope was incense and shook it all over the place. I was "asked" to spit out my gum and remove my hat. I didn't question their motives because I was a guest. Based on my knowledge of the Bible, their actions are dubious at best. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, I've not read the bible cover-to-cover. I have heard interpretations of the bible as they pertain to the code of conduct instilled on Catholics, and have objected to a large percentage of it. A friend of mine is a minister in the United Church of Canada, infinitely more relaxed than Catholicism, and I've been to his church a few times. I enjoyed the sense of community, but still don't connect to any sense of god. I would guess that it is too late for me now, unless I have a change of heart on my deathbed. Not uncommon.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I can agree with your assessment about racists, sexists and the lot being in the Bible but the presence of those groups shouldn't tarnish the overall message. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Catholic Church still practices many -isms.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>To get on a soapbox here I think this equality garbage should be rooted out once and for all. I'm sorry that women, blacks, whites, Inuits and whomever else are the victims of discrimination but there will never be equality in the world. No matter how cool or desirous I think the world would be if it was full of a bunch of me's, it wouldn't be very interesting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't hang out with racists or sexists so it follows that I don't read literature that endorses the same. That is all. My assessment of the bible was not meant to suggest it was in any way responsible for inequality, only that it provides yet another form for division. Each of us has the free choice to do with the book what we will ... I gave mine away.
 

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One more question, UM, and I'm genuinely curious to hear your answer:

If the universe and "all its cosmos" are too complex to have been created by chance and an unlikely string of events, so must have been created with intent by a god, how could this god (who is presumably at least as complex) come to exist himself?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Judge Wapner:
When you think of things such as the human body and the bio system,it's hard to believe this world came about randomly.It's too incredible.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well there is a great deal of commonality to all forms of life.

Scientifically, more recent forms are thought to have evolved from earlier forms. If the Theory of Evolution were correct one would expect all life to share such common threads, while this would not necessarily be the case if they were independently created.

It turns out that essentially all life uses DNA as the Genetic material. So this observation does not disprove the Theory of Evolution.

There is some speculation that life might drift through the Universe as spores of simple forms within comets. If planets are indeed seeded in this fashion then one would expect life on other planets to also be based on DNA. A critical test for this idea, which if true might require only a single origin for living forms.
 

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