Ba‘al Zəvûv;11180398 said:I'm curious if we can have a mature and reasoned conversation between intelligent adults who all share the same goal. To have this contest be as large as possible. And To have it be Respected as well.....
If you are able to reason and you can understand that typed words cannot convey emotion so what looks to be Hostile might not in fact be Hostile but might be Truth that needs to be bluntly stated because so much is being risked, so much that might very well be lost that did not have to be lost then you'll be able to grasp that this post here is not in fact "Hostile" but just real and factual truth those in charge of this contest need to hear and consider.
Perhaps changing the deadline has benefit where the making the contest the most "Respected" that it can be....where regards molding as much of a Head to Head Handicapping Contest is concerned. That might be a valid argument. I'd have to hear it to know.
This, along with that, is a point of view that needs to be considered:
I personally don't care when you set the deadline, The reality is that as late a deadline as possible = maximum goodness for entry numbers, Prize Pool and all the wonderful glorious riches that would follow that.
You have reduced your Prize Pool by at least $3300 by setting this new deadline and IMO at least what you've gained wasn't worth completely tossing aside making this contest as big as can possibly be, as renowned and talked about as can possibly be, as promising per future growth that could possibly have been and what did you gain by squishing all that?
You appeased a few crybabies that are afraid they can't cap better than some dumbass who might use a Top Contender from the LVH's picks.
Or better stated: "you preserved the Integrity of the contest made more certain its Head to Head 'capping and based on individual 'capping skills of guys" but lets look at what you gave away for that.....the price incurred:
First of all: To the copying of picks what CH Ballers accomplished LY was an absolute aberration, Haley's Fucking Comet.
Secondly...welll fuck it, theres no secondly.
There doesn't need to be a "2ndly"
I personally will still join. The advantage you had was an extended time frame to enter picks.
To grow the contest as much as possible and to see the biggeszt prize pool possible which would then lead to so much great stuff...
Massively More Website Hits just being one of those which would then lead to increased $$$ from Sponsors which would then lead to a better an environment here and ya'll having more money to enjoy your lives with.
You guys just gave that all away.
For literally nothing.
Its like The Phoenix Suns trade recently made where they traded that Morris Brother to the Pistons for a 2nd round 2022 Draft Pick, a Costco Size Can of Chili No Beans and a used Microwave but worse.
Again...I swear this isn't "Hostile" though it sounds that way. I just wanted to see the prize pool be as large as possible so the contest would be as exciting as it could be and I wanted to see Traffic to the site be as high as possible cuz that would benefit all of us here then you guys went and completely blew all that away with this stupid change. You need to "hear" this truth and grasp it. Even if it pisses you off to hear it.
So Let It Rip. If anyone cares enough to present their Point Of View. Mine is that you foolishly stifled this contest. maybe reducing this year;s Prize Pool by as much as $8250.
Sounds ridiculous I know but thats only another 55 entries.
SuperContest is fixin to BLOW UP like Poker did.
Which of these 2 sounds like a better more "enlightened" place to wind up at this moment? and going forward.....?
a.) Man we set it up where we're gonna have max entries possible, as HUGE a Prize Pool as possible cuz the deadline is set as late as can be so as many people can get picks in as possible and there ain't that Mid Saturday ridiculousness we considered as a deadline
b.) Excellent. We have sculpted, via the new harsh deadline, a contest that represents the truest Head-To-Head capping contest based on guy's 'capping skills which will get this contest respected MUCH more than the Prize Pool being $5000 or whatever more dollars bigger than it would have been and this TOTALLY...this change to make it as real a HANDICAPPING SKILL contest as possible was a better strategy to get as many to join as possible and grow the Pool than to have another few $1000s of bucks in Prize money
or
c.) Maybe we DO need to have a Dialogue within The Community about this, see what the people on the whole would most prefer. The Dude is right....Biggest Prize Pool should be the goal cuz theres no way to debate the bigger the Prize Pool the better for everyone and chiefly US...those who best benefit from financially from this website.....maybe we should toss it out for Intelligent Discussion....have a fuckin poll or whatever.
Thanks Ken
You have every right to voice your Opinion. Doesn't mean you are Right.
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Lmao! I need adderall to read all that.......
Ba‘al Zəvûv;11180571 said:Absolutely, I fully acknowledge that I may not be right.
And Totally I agree that it is still, whatever the Deadline thats established is "a Great Contest"
Let there be no doubt about that. And This Year's Contest will be SUPERB!!!
I ain't got Beef with the Deadline at all. Some I know and told about it do cuz of their LIVES and schedules so I just felt that, in the best interest of getting the most Traffic to the Site as possible I should open this Pandora's Box.
Disappointing some guy just immediately tells me to get fucked, "are you entering"? or not.
When all I am trying to do is have a rational Discussion about what setup would get the Most Traffic to here, when all I am trying to do is make all our Forum Lives more better.
To them who wanna Rag on me I'd say "Learn The English Language and how to properly converse so as to accomplish a positive outcome rather than just defaulting to being a Dick".
Having a Prize Poll that is even just $3300 larger though feels to be like it would be correct....or "right".
Indeed that is just my opinion.
I may not TRULY know the question though.
If the Question is, in fact, "How do we make the most PURE Handicapping Contest possible" then absolutely limiting the deadline as you have is the right answer and I am NOT "right"
"Right" though...please know...is just me trying to see MAX TRAFFIC to the damn website.
So we are completely on the same Team here, fighting the same battle.....against the exact same enemy.
Which includes other sites that are not gonna be as limited on Deadline and get entrants that would have otherwise been here.
Rx is friggin Immortal. Some know. It was around from pretty much the beginning.
This too needs to be considered because this place was The Original.
Ken (....."we.....") "invented this stuff". To address those in charge now as if Ken was able to address you himself. Not "we", like, including me but "we" meaning you guys. And Him.
When the Question is what do we want to do to generate the most enthusiasm for the Contest?, get the most entrants and thus the largest Prize Pool and make this the Happiest Place On Earth where regards this contest and Site Owners/Other interested parties...
Traffic to the website seems to me to be the answer.
For not just this contest but in general. overall.
I am merely suggesting that robbing hours form the Deadline limits some guys from entering thus makes you get less Traffic than you would have with a better more vast Deadline. Thats All. I am not Evil. Not trying to make guys have to battle against copied General Tso Chicken picks or David Frohardt Picks or CHB....
LVH Website crashed several times last year anyways from the traffic and on one of those occasions picks couldn't be seen by many cuz it only got partially restored after your previous Deadline (last year's deadline) had passed.
What do you imagine a CopyCat would have happen if he could not see those precious LVH Picks, had to get his entry in without that Help?
He Crashes and Burns. is someone really gonna tail a Team that hit 67% LY right out the gate this season? Prolly.
How do you think that they will do? Do you expect CHB will keep up that 67% or w/e %.
I just think too much has been made of the Copying and Prize Pool will be less as result of the harsher deadline.
What sort of Guys copy? Lame-Ohs. I'm sayin' Last Year was an aberration....CHB kept up that WIN%
Every other time in History dudes fell off so its my opinion ya'll Dampened the potential of this Contest in response to a thing that will not repeat itself.
Just my opinion.
Just me alone. and I am just one guy, I hyped the Contest to a few I know, some will enter but 2 can't cuz one drives a cab 12 hours a Day/Night M-F and has a family, young kids no way his Ole Lady is gonna let him spend saturday DAY, morning 'capping and he;s too tired for that anyways cuz he works till 4 AM Saturday Morning Driving the cab. His Window to 'cap was when he could during the week (but he always exhausted cuz of the 12 hour shift...which don't even include having to clean the cab) and Saturday after they get back from taking the kids to a Mud Fight or whatever.
He can't enter now. he was gonna when the deadline was what I told him it was.
A 2nd guy I told he 'caps Saturday as well cuz thats when he feels most comfortable that he has the "most information" to use.
By no means was the above post mean to imply that I am "right" about anything.
It was to provoke Discussion about what would be best for Traffic to the Forum cuz the better that gets the better Life here is for all of us. Bottom Line.
Massive Traffic = HUGE FreeRolls whihc guys LOVE which = more traffic.
Thats all I'm sayin.
I do appreciate your very measured and Intelligent response BetAll.
Again....we are on the same side here I don't personally give a shit about the deadline beyond preferring it to be as late as possible for Late News, Injuries, guys getting suspended for jackin Geno in da Jaw whatever.
To me the "right" answer is the one ya'll arrive at. I just felt it'd be good to hear what the Group thought. As a Whole and I wanted to say I think reducing the Deadline will lead to Less Traffic. Thats All. :toast:
I was in both one year and never looked at a deadline on picks as a factor on my picks? With around 30 days till kickoff not counting Pitt/Pats game (does it count) a vote from the players could be done. If a sponsor is paying out a portion then by joining you are agreeing to their terms. I have an idea on another way of getting more visitors on Gamedays;
Have a LVH Contest for non-players of LVH Cash contest? The winner of this receiving a FREE entry into 2016 LVH Cash contest. I'll grade with posts after 12:55 Sunday not graded! No minimum of posts you're just required to post your plays b4 Kickoff and not complain or use any game not on Sunday.
I agree with Ba'al, I'm more interested in getting the most entries for the biggest prize pool possible. Who cares if people copy other picks or whatever, doesnt mean they'll win. Usually that's sure disaster and should be encouraged. Anything to get the most entries.
How about this, the first 12 weeks of contest have a 7pm eastern deadline. The final 5 weeks have a 3pm eastern deadline. This should maximize entries and prevent copying picks from top LVH players the closing weeks at crunch time.