The 14 Characteristics of Fascism - by Lawrence Britt

[bblight]

So you think it's OK for teachers in public schools to indoctrinate students in the righteousness of the left, while the preacher can't expound his ideology to his congregation.

This is another fine example of the double standard foisted on us by the left.

Much of the legislation passed by Lynon Baines Johnson and his congress have been anethema to social progress for 50 years. It's about time they ended.

Vietnam, which has created a schism that will never be healed in the baby boom generation; the great society that engendered the destruction of the family and astronomical growth in the illegal drug industry; and a host of other laws such as the one mentioned by xpanda that helped give the Dems control of congress for nearly two generations came out of the LBJ congress.

The only good law passed under LBJ was the Civil Rights law - and that act passed because the Republicans voted for it while the mojority of Dems voted against it.

 

[xpanda]

The cup, it runneth over today:

The Republican Party acknowledged yesterday sending mass mailings to residents of two states warning that "liberals" seek to ban the Bible. It said the mailings were part of its effort to mobilize religious voters for President Bush.
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In an e-mail message, Christine Iverson, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, confirmed that the party had sent the mailings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/24/p...gn/24bible.html

 

[xpanda]

So you think it's OK for teachers in public schools to indoctrinate students in the righteousness of the left, while the preacher can't expound his ideology to his congregation.

Funny you should say that, because I was actually going to use this as a point of comparison because no, I do not think teachers in public schools should take ANY political position.

This is another fine example of the double standard foisted on us by the left.

No double standard at all. You assumed I held a position on something which was false.

Much of the legislation passed by Lynon Baines Johnson and his congress have been anethema to social progress for 50 years. It's about time they ended.

Would you care to specifically outline how this particular issue has been anethema to social progress?

Vietnam, which has created a schism that will never be healed in the baby boom generation; the great society that engendered the destruction of the family and astronomical growth in the illegal drug industry; and a host of other laws such as the one mentioned by xpanda that helped give the Dems control of congress for nearly two generations came out of the LBJ congress.

How do you propose to rectify this? More religion?

The only good law passed under LBJ was the Civil Rights law - and that act passed because the Republicans voted for it while the mojority of Dems voted against it.

This is true.

 

[bblight]

xpanda - you're already indoctrinated into the ways of the left - you can't change!

I will pray for your soul!

 

[xpanda]

xpanda - you're already indoctrinated into the ways of the left - you can't change!

I will pray for your soul!

I was raised Conservative and voted for the Progressive Conservatives in every election (both federal and provincial) from 1988 to 1997. My movement to the left has had diddly to do with the public school education I received and everything to do with my own experience. I don't expect my politics to remain stagnant or unchanged from here on out, either.

I do know that I am staunchly opposed to these NeoConservatives in the US. Even my conservative sensibilities are opposed to them.

 

[bblight]

What a riot - I was raised by hell and damnation Democrats (I would go to hell and face everlasting damnation if I ever voted for anyone but a Democrat.) Actually, voting for a Democrat keads to hell and damnation - look at what LBJ and Carter did to us.

As Ron Reagan, the greatest 20th Century President, said " I didn't leave the Democrat Party; the Democrat Party left me!".

 

[bblight]

xpanda - please remember that you're a Canadian - the Canadians might be fiscal liberals - but on many issues they're very conservative.
I'd bet a dollar to a donut that the Canadian schools maintain a high level of classroom discipline and have a minimum expectation for student achievement; something that is seriously lacking in the American schools.

 

[xpanda]

Blight, for every minute I spend on this site, I remember tenfold that I am a Canadian.

You might be surprised to hear me tell you Canadians (the people) are by and large fiscal conservatives, but definitely social liberals. We don't give out the strap in class anymore, if that is what you were referring to.

I don't know what public schools are like here anymore. As a high school dropout, I'm not sure I'm even qualified to properly grade the effectiveness of our school system. I don't know how well prepared graduates are for university or the working world, which is one measure of how well they're being taught. We have implemented standardised testing in Ontario, under a Conservative provincial gov't, that I hear has proven to be quite challenging for the students.

I've always believed that education starts at home. Kids that do poorly in school generally have parents who don't push them. Mine would have killed me if I'd fallen off the honour roll.

 

[Jointpleasure]

"Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity."

dirty little bear, I had to stop reading, there.
Come on now, how about a little bit more specific than:

"These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity."

 

[xpanda]

If Britt were to qualify each point in the list with an explanation of how and to what degree it applied to each of the seven regimes he's analysing, it would be a novel.

I know you're not that retarded, so what point were you really trying to make, JP?

 

[xpanda]

Eighteen months ago I wrote a thesis on the similarities in style of neoconservatives to fascists.

That thesis would have been a thousand times easier to write today. If I'd only known then what I know now ...

 

[koidog]

I guess the US of A was fascist in FDR's day, because what we have Today is NOT even close to the things that went on back then.

 

[xpanda]

Many argue that US support (both government and corporate) for fascism in WWII was actually a sign of internal American fascism. So yes, some would argue you are right.

 

[koidog]

To win a War, I'd say Patriotism and Support of a Strong Military are needed. Probably Why the French haven't won one in a while.

I mean I don't know how anyone can see the Media kill this President on a Regular Basis and think we are anything close to Fascist.

 

[docmercer]

To win a War, I'd say Patriotism and Support of a Strong Military are needed. Probably Why the French haven't won one in a while.

I mean I don't know how anyone can see the Media kill this President on a Regular Basis and think we are anything close to Fascist.

For 18-24 months after 911...Bush was given a free pass by the media. Senators from both sides (yes Kerry and others) bent over under the threat of being branded as anti-American or pro-terrorist.

Hell, I recall advertisements in NY where Repubs turned on THEIR OWN and had these 2 people in front of French Flags - implying they were cowardly and unAmerican. And why? Because they were going to vote against the Bush budget.

Not fascist here...yet. And certainly a lot closer than we were during the cold war...after Pearl Harbor..

 

[koidog]

For 18-24 months after 911...Bush was given a free pass by the media. Senators from both sides (yes Kerry and others) bent over under the threat of being branded as anti-American or pro-terrorist.

Hell, I recall advertisements in NY where Repubs turned on THEIR OWN and had these 2 people in front of French Flags - implying they were cowardly and unAmerican. And why? Because they were going to vote against the Bush budget.

Not fascist here...yet. And certainly a lot closer than we were during the cold war...after Pearl Harbor..

Not sure if it was 18-24 months, but I agree. But so what? Hell I might even say why such a short period of time. I guess many of us don't believe this is a War.

And I think it was way Worse after Pearl Harbor. FDR might STILL be elected Today if he hadn't died in 1945. And he'd be like 125 years old.

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

I see none of those 14 worthy of debate as being part of todays' America.

 

[docmercer]

Not sure if it was 18-24 months, but I agree. But so what? Hell I might even say why such a short period of time. I guess many of us don't believe this is a War.

And I think it was way Worse after Pearl Harbor. FDR might STILL be elected Today if he hadn't died in 1945. And he'd be like 125 years old.

Lol...we disagree - and thats cool with me. (laughing at the 125 year old comment). I don't believe it's a War. It's no more a war than Spain is at war with ETA.

 

[koidog]

Lol...we disagree - and thats cool with me. (laughing at the 125 year old comment). I don't believe it's a War. It's no more a war than Spain is at war with ETA.

Yeah I thought we disagreed. I'm out for now, but good debate.

 

[bblight]

Since the "definition" of fascism was so obviously aimed at American conservatives, I just had to answer the challenge:

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.

Nationalism can be defined as a love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it - Sounds like a conservative to me. Definitely not the liberaL LEADERSHIP - SO FAR ALL THAT THEY'LL DO IS CUT AND RUN - AND IT SEEMS THAT all OF THEIR LOYALTY IS TO THEIR IDEOLOGY AND NOT TO THEIR COUNTRY - PLEASE NOTE, i SAID LEADERSHIP - NOT RANK AND FILE. (oops - caplock!)

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.

A definition of human rights is that all people are equal, especially before the law. Sounds like a conservative to me.
The liberals have hierarchies of equality with white men at the very bottom and academic elites at the top - there's inequality created by the law in affirmative action and other court legislated laws.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.

Oh yes - The conservatives are definitely the scapegoats of the liberals - "if only those exocentrics would allow me to tax and spend, I could prove that my social engineering actually works, we just have to spend more money for it.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.

"Supremacy" of the military - well, we know that the liberals disdain and dislike the military - so it ain't them. Conservatives do believe in a stong military - but a supreme military is one step away from a coup - neither liberals nor conservatives believe in a "supreme" military.

5. Rampant sexism.

Condi Rice, Elaine Chow, etc., etc., for the conservatives - and cum stains on Ms Lewinsky's dress for the liberals. 'nuff said!

6. A controlled mass media.

NY Times, CNN, CSPAN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, NPR, LA Times, Washington Postr, Boston Globe fiopr the libs

Then there's Fox for the conservatives

Ok, that's a split - neither group has total control of the mass media.

7. Obsession with national security.

Oh, yes! The Conservatives are definitely obsessed with national security since the liberals would give the country away - and if you think that's a lie, just take a public poll. The Conservatives have to be concerned about national security - especially after 911.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.

The liberals love to play this card because the President believes in God. Hey guys - If Religion ruled, the secular liberals would ALL be in jail.

9. Power of corporations protected.

The conservatives tend to be capitalists - but that's because capitalism is the best economic system there is. What's better?
After watching all of the execs go to prison after the Enron and other corporate scandals, I don't see corporate power high on the conservative agenda - but I do see protection of stockholders way up there.
The liberals would tax all corporations into oblivion.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.

The liberals consider labor to be theirs - but not any more - labor voted for Reagan in record numbers and Ohio - a big union state, has been turning more and more red.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.

Conservatives have a very strong disdain for "liberal" thinking intellectual - basically because the "kliberal" intellects have a strong disdain for conservatives - It seems to many conservatives that liberal intellectuals have a hard time recognizing where decency ends and deviancy begins.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment.

This is definitely the liberals - the prisons and prison populations have mushroomed under their watch, and now the conservatives are left cleaning up the mess the liberals left them with. I wonder wqhat impact fatherless households and leniency have had on the increase in prison populations?

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.

Everyone loves to point the finger at both party's - but read a few histories and you'll find that the US of A is probably the least corrupt nation on earth.

14. Fraudulent elections.

This is a liberal issue - most voting problems have a habiot of popping up in Democrat controlled precincts - whether it's dead bodies getting a vote, or it's hanging chads, it's always in a "blue" precinct.

And here's where I add a few:

15. State control of the economy -

Nothing can be left to chance - the economy is one of the legs that the power of the state rests on, so it must be controlled through nationalizing industries and taxation policies that reward percieved friends of the state while penalizing percieved enemies.

16. Centralized cointgrol through a Federalized government

All government buraucracies controlled through a centralized , nationalized, system of control.


I've always found it interesting that the left tends to avoid mentioning the last two items - maybe because they are the points that tend to link communism and fascism together. Excepting religion, the two are nearly identical.