Texas Education Board Fends Off Creationist Claptrap

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...Theories are still just opinions my friend, not fact's. Fact's are like that jesus ... rose from the grave....

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Okay, one more poster to be put in my category 'to be ignored in arguments', like TR, Loren, RR etc. ...
 

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I perceive it much as you do.

However, the cadre of folks promoting the teaching of "creationism" in U.S. public school curriculum most certainly believe that there is only one God and any deviation from that belief disqualifies you from His affection and favor.
Your argument isn't relevant as far as the complete exclusion of the God theory from education is concerned tho.

At the end of the day, science is incredibly limited in its conclusions and understanding, ESPECIALLY where the dawn of time is concerned, and the god theory is every bit as relevant as any other theory.
 

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Don't see what the problem is with a bit of creationism in the mix, it helps kids to pick up on alternative theory and lateral thinking..

Present a quantitative and scientific way to test creationism alongside the theory of evolution, and I'd 100% support teaching it in schools. Otherwise, keep it the hell away from science class. Last time I checked, "we don't know, therefore we'll never know, it must be unknowable for a reason" wasn't part of the scientific theory.

Want to throw in the concept of God into a philosophy class (along with the idea of multiple gods etc)? Go for it.

If people would step back, they'd either realize (or admit) that the latest attempt to bring in creationist teaching into schools is just another effort by the same folks who fought to have the bible and prayer brought back into public schools. One only needs to look at who bankrolls the creationist books (along with the other books they promote) that they try to get into school to see that it's just a masked attempt to try and get to the same goal.

Creationism in schools is just a modern day trojan horse, except instead of soldiers, the horse is filled with bibles.
 

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But that makes you as bad as any Mullah because you aare assuming that science has all the answers, and science comes up short bigtime for a lot of really simple stuff.

Scientists couldn't even figure out rogue waves, even though sailors have known about them for a thousand years.

The probability of a sudoku solution was only calculated a few years ago.
That's a crappy nine by nine square, with a finite number system of 1 to 9 and a few simple rules.

The last time I checked they haven't even figured out the probability of a 16(4x4) side sudoku box.

And these are 2 dimensional calculations, never mind 3D stuff.

Science talks a good talk but it definitely doesn't walk the walk once things get a teensy bit technical.

Science will never ever solve the origin of the universe, ever.

The human race simply isn't going to live long enough for starters, plus science needs a definitive solution to a chicken and egg problem that has already happened and so science will never get to know what happened anyway.

The scientific bullshit concerning the origin of the universe may sound more impressive to the uneducated or unthinking than the God bullshit that deals with the origin of all matter, but at the end of the day neither theory will ever be the more definitive.
 

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But that makes you as bad as any Mullah because you aare assuming that science has all the answers, and science comes up short bigtime for a lot of really simple stuff.

Really? As bad as any Mullah? Because I welcome your fantasy theory where it belongs (into a philosophy class) but not into a classroom where experimentation and testing occurs? My definition of Mullah must be very different than yours.

Science will never ever solve the origin of the universe, ever.

Such a definitive statement, based on zero reason or logic. It's that very thinking that hinders progress and stunts growth. We'll never put a human on a planet a million light years away, so why both even exploring space?

Why bother going to school if you'll never get every degree and learn every subject 100%?

Next time you need a DMV or family photo, please run (don't walk), since I wouldn't want anyone to be any part of the theft of your soul.
 

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... and science comes up short bigtime for a lot of really simple stuff.
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Science will never ever solve the origin of the universe, ever.
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Eek, look at the progress science has made in the last 100 years alone and then try to tell me what makes you think science will "never ever" have solutions for (almost) everything. In just another 100 years knowledge will exist that you cannot even dream about today, and there is no reason to doubt that mankind will exist for a long, long time.

Just because science does not have definite answers for everything yet and people like you and I don't come close to grasping the exact details of the current scientific knowledge does not mean that believing in the Creation fairy tale of the Bible is in any way comparable to believing what science tells us.
 

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I'm just the messenger, no point in getting pissy about it.

As far as the origin of the universe subject is concerned scientific bullshit stinks every bit as much as any other origin of the universe bullshit.


And if you want to ban any alternative theories that don't fit in with your own particular beliefs then you're no better than a kooky wooky mullah.
 

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eek, since science has not found a cure for alzheimer's do you think that they should allow a wich doctor equal time at med school to cast chicken bones and rub on snake oil?
 

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Man....you guys are starting to sound like the bible thumpers....

We're talking about a question that has no answer.(not in human terms anyway)

The origin of the universe.
 

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Just want religion kept out of public schools. And public institutions of all kinds so none of us have to sail to a new land to try and escape a COE type thing.
 

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The origin of all the energy and matter in the universe will never be solved punter, which means all the theories are valid and should be given teaching time.
 

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Man....you guys are starting to sound like the bible thumpers....

We're talking about a question that has no answer.(not in human terms anyway)

The origin of the universe.

A lot of solutions to other problems occur when trying to find the answer to the seemingly impossible.

Tell me what questions get answered, or how mankind benefits, but putting up a stop sign that says "we'll never know - move along, nothing to learn here"

Inquiry, reason and logic are not the stuff of "bible thumpers". Being proved wrong not only means you haven't found the right answer, it also means you allowed your answer to be tested.

Religion (or in this case, creationism) allows no such allowance for testing. Philosophy allows for abstract answers to the unknowable, park it over there.

Rontgen failed in his attempt to see cathode rays escape from the glass tube, what a fool for even trying.
 

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Eek, look at the progress science has made in the last 100 years alone and then try to tell me what makes you think science will "never ever" have solutions for (almost) everything. In just another 100 years knowledge will exist that you cannot even dream about today, and there is no reason to doubt that mankind will exist for a long, long time.

Just because science does not have definite answers for everything yet and people like you and I don't come close to grasping the exact details of the current scientific knowledge does not mean that believing in the Creation fairy tale of the Bible is in any way comparable to believing what science tells us.

You have faith and belief that science will provide the answers, as I too believe it will for many things in the future.

It won't provide a definitive answer for the origin of everything tho.

That's where science will come up short.

Simply refusing to acknowledge this horrible reality or teach it to our children won't make it go away.
 

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Don't see what the problem is with a bit of creationism in the mix, it helps kids to pick up on alternative theory and lateral thinking.

Well, why stop with Creationism? Perhaps we should add Astrology and Alchemy to science class as well. Or how about some Native American origins mythology?
 

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Like I said...you guys sound a bit like the bible thumpers...


Belief is a powerful animal...I'm being attacked by scientific fundamentalists...
 

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