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Bush is just continuing to lie to try to make himself look effective.

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Perhaps it was the apologies they printed for running stories on Iraqi WMD but the serious press in the US has taken a more sceptical attitude to the Bush administration's "high alert" than some of its British counterparts.

"Much of the information that led the authorities to raise the terror alert at several large financial institutions in the New York City and Washington areas was three or four years old," begins its front page story.
 

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Tuesday, Aug. 3, 2004 10:07 a.m. EDT
Intel on 9/11 Attacks Was Six-Years-Old

Both the New York Times and the Washington Post are breathlessly reporting in Tuesday editions that recently discovered intelligence on al Qaida plots targeting buildings in New York, Newark and Washington, D.C. may be more than three-years-old, rendering it all but useless.

Unmentioned, however, by either the Times or the Post is this salient fact: Al Qaida plans to attack the World Trade Center and Pentagon were at least six-years old when they were implemented on Sept. 11, 2001.

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When 1993 World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef's computer was seized in Manilla in 1995, it contained detailed plans to hijack U.S. aircraft and crash them into American landmarks. The plot, dubbed "Operation Bojinka," cited specifically designated targets, including the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
When Yousef was arrested in Pakistan later that year and brought to the U.S. to stand trial, he told his FBI captors that attempts to destroy the World Trade Center would continue despite his arrest. Yousef's uncle, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, picked up where he left off, taking his nephew's blueprint to Osama bin Laden for approval and financing.

In contrast to the Bush administration's rapid response on Sunday, however, the Clinton administration did nothing - despite clear warnings from Philippine police about Yousef's 1995 plot targeting the Twin Towers

A 1998 presidential daily briefing headlined, "Bin Laden Preparing to Hijack U.S. Aircraft and Other Attacks" warned that al Qaida would use the hijackings in a bid to free the 1993 World Trade Center bombers.

On the morning of Sept. 11, a Filipino investigator who was involved in Ramzi Yousef's arrest sat watching the World Trade Center attack on TV. He was later quoted by the Washington Post exclaiming in horror, "It's Bojinka. We told the Americans everything about Bojinka. Why didn't they pay attention?"


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These guys plan things for years..wake up. Do you think they planned 9/11 the day before? The chatter that was picked up recently indicated an attack between now and the election. You think they might possibly attack the places they cased? You libs are absolutely amazing.
 

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Fair enough -- but why not tell the public of this while they have everyone's full attention? Why the need to make it seem as though all of this is new, post-9/11 planning info when it isn't? Where is the honesty? As director of homeland security, thought to have cried wolf a few too many times, and given the sensitive timing of this announcement, why would Ridge not make every effort to remove any appearance of impropriety rather than use it as an opportunity to give props to Bush? Surely the Reps expected this kind of backlash??
 

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More info coming out today. I assume their FIRST priority is getting the warning/security in place...not anticipating the potential lunatic remarks from the left. That can be done afterwards which is happening today.

Looks like some of these "old" computer files had been updated this past year, so they were probably scared sh_tless. And I'm sure there are things they can't tell us so covers or ongoing investigations aren't blown.

I say kudos to the intel agencies...too bad this wasn't going on years ago, but better late than never.

P.S. Kerry was briefed and apparently distanced himself from that lunatic Dean's remarks...he could have piled on.
 
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so they're going to have the army patrol these building, with barracades, closed bridges, from now until the election is over? I doubt it.. but we'll see. I for one am certain it was purely a political ploy to take attention away from the Democratic convention. If this was trully a legitimate operation, they should have been honest about the intelligence from the start, but now since they misled us AGAIN it's just OBVIOUS it's more of the same, a smoke-and-mirrors operation. The media made it sound like they had NEW intelligence about these buildings being tagetted. It was a huge story. Was the intelligence new? It was captured a month ago, and it's relevence to the current threat is questionable. Ask a New Yorker how they feal about waiting in traffic for an extra couple hours, with police patrolling the sidewalks, and the radio beaming fear into their heads if they feal they've been misled and lied to.
 

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Update:

Mark Oliver
Tuesday August 3, 2004

Much of the seized al-Qaida intelligence that led to the current raised security alert at US financial targets was three or four years old, a US official confirmed today. The official stressed, however, that it may have been updated as recently as six months ago.
Meanwhile, the US homeland security secretary, Tom Ridge, denied claims that the Bush administration was choreographing security warnings for reasons of political expediency, as some Democrats have claimed.

On Sunday, US officials revealed that two suspected militants arrested last month in Pakistan were found with computer disks and other data indicating an apparent plot to bomb banks and other American financial targets on the US east coast. The information showed detailed surveillance of apparent targets.

At the weekend there was no indication in the briefings by Mr Ridge and other officials about the age of the intelligence but reports this morning in US newspapers revealed that it pre-dated the September 11 attacks in 2001.

Earlier today Fran Townsend, the White House homeland security adviser, confirmed to NBC television that the surveillance of financial buildings by suspected terrorist plotters was "originally done between 2000 and 2001".

<span class="ev_code_RED">Both Mr Ridge and Ms Townsend stressed that the data should still be taken seriously and that there was evidence that some of the information discovered had been updated as recently as this January.</span>

One senior government official told the New York Times: "You could say that the bulk of this information is old, but we know that al-Qaida collects, collects, collects until they're comfortable ... only then do they carry out an operation."

But the revelation about the age of the intelligence - and the fact that this was not made immediately made clear on Sunday - has provided ammunition for George Bush's political opponents. Some of these have accused his administration of manipulating the colour-coded terror warning system introduced after 9/11. Analysts believe the "war on terror" will be the key issue in November's presidential elections.

Senator John Kerry, the Democrats' presidential challenger, has distanced himself from claims of bad faith from the White House about the warnings but other Bush critics point to the fact the president is trailing in the polls after the Democrats' successful convention last week.

Speaking at a press conference in New York today, Mr Ridge was pressed on the timing of the latest alert. He said: "We do not do politics at the department of homeland security. Our job is to identify the threat."

Ms Townsend noted that the US authorities had only recently received the intelligence from Pakistan. "We've only gotten the intelligence, I would say, in the last 72 hours," she said.

The suspects were arrested in mid-July. They are computer engineer Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan and Khalfan Ghailani, who is wanted in connection with al-Qaida attacks on US embassies in east Africa in 1998. The US government announced on Sunday that terrorists had recently observed the stock exchange and the Citigroup Centre in Manhattan, the International Monetary Fund and World Bank buildings in Washington, and Prudential Financial's headquarters in Newark, New Jersey. Security in all these areas has been raised.

Mr Bush yesterday described the US as a "nation in danger" and announced that he would accede, with some changes, to the 9/11 commission's recommendations for a new director of national intelligence and a new centre for national intelligence to improve the apparently dysfunctional relationship between domestic and international spy agencies.

Pakistani authorities today said they had arrested two more senior al-Qaida suspects, one with a multimillion-dollar US bounty on his head. Officials said the suspects were of African origin but declined to name them.

Pakistan's interior minister, Faisal Saleh Hayyat, said the arrests were another breakthrough after last month's capture of Ghailini.

US officials have said that the arrests of Khan and Ghailani yielded the most specific domestic terrorism warnings since the 2001 attacks although there was no potential timeframe for an attack.

The Pakistani information minister, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, said the files also revealed targets in the UK. The British government was under pressure today to be as explicit about the nature of the intelligence as Washington has been.

Many workers in New York, New Jersey and Washington were yesterday confronted with ID checks and bag searches as they headed for work. Officials sealed off some streets in New York, put financial employees in Washington through extra security checks, and added concrete barricades and a heavily armed presence in Newark.

Police said the restrictions would remain in effect today and would be reviewed daily. Mr Ridge, along with the mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, were meeting financial executives from affected companies to discuss security concerns.

The chairman and CEO of Prudential, Arthur Ryan, reported that customers were not fleeing and that the "overwhelming majority" of employees reported to work yesterday. "Everything we've heard so far has been reinforcing. 'We're with you.' That's basically what we've heard from most of them," Mr Ryan said.

Security measures were also heightened in central Los Angeles and in the Century City complex where LA's high-rise buildings and financial institutions are located, although mayor James Hahn said there was no indication of a threat against the city.

Also today, the Statue of Liberty reopened to the public for the first time since it was shut down after 9/11.

"This beacon of hope and liberty is once again open to the public, sending a reassuring message to the world that freedom is alive in New York and shining brighter than ever before," New York governor George Pataki said at the opening ceremony.

Visitors can tour a reopened museum inside the pedestal and enjoy a panoramic view from the observation deck at the pedestal top. The rest of the statue continues to be off-limits because it cannot accommodate large numbers of tourists and does not meet safety codes.

Tightened security measures at the 118-year-old national monument include a new anti-bomb detection device that blows air into clothing and then checks for particles of explosive residue.



The Guardian UK
 

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posted by Patriot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
The plot, dubbed "Operation Bojinka," cited specifically designated targets, including the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
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Tell Fox News or Newsmax or wherever you got this they need to better fact-check. Bojinka was a plot to commandeer multiple 747's over the Pacific and blow them up simultaneously (or possibly handle the operation remotely from the cargo bays of the planes.)


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The IRA found that blowing up the little people (Army squaddies) never really bothered the big people in Great Britain.

However, once they started targeting the big people and blowing up the financial centre of London the 'war to defeat the terrorists' became a drive for peace and compromise that eventually resulted in the Good Friday Agreement.

If you want results, you hit the big people where it hurts.
 

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To be more specific since a Google search pulls up all kinds of nonsense, the only part of the Bojinka plot which had been truly worked on and which was likely to be implemented was the jetliner plan. Discussions of building attacks as "Phase II" of Bojinka is just typical Langley dogshit imho, given that the basic plot outline is something which has been considered as a potential objective by terrorist groups predating al-Qaeda.


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I can't question the alert, they gotta call it as they see it.

But what cracks me up is Ridge says they aren't politicizing it yet at the same time as he announces the threat elevation he claims that the reason we learned about the threat is because of the great job President Bush is doing in the war on terror.

Anyone else see that clip on the Daily Show w/Jon Stewart last nite. I about wanted to puke.

This administration knows no shame.
 

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The stupid thing I keep hearing is all these people saying "well they had to tell the world, what if something happened?". Ok, now look at it another way, what if now a terrorist leader says "smart thing to do is lay low, these Americans will get all smug and forget about this all in a month or two...then we strike". If that is the case, that they create a jaded population, and to a great degree they have, can we blame future unguarded attacks on an administration that cried wolf too much?
 

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