An 8-team playoff is not the only reasonable solution for the problem. You can do some kind of mandatory scheduling, you can have a 4 team playoff where you take the top 3 rated teams in the BCS and the best "at large" team from the smaller "non-BCS" conferences. There are 100 ways to skin a cat. It doesnt have to be the same in every sport. Just have to think outside the box to the point where you dont effect the regular season.
The system needs to be tweaked. No doubt.
You are ruining the regular season already. No loss should mean little. Every loss should be potentially catastrophic. THAT IS A BIG PART OF WHY COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS SO SPECIAL.
The BCS needs to be tweaked.
Maybe Im not following what you are saying, but you are clearly conflicting yourself - unless I am missing the point.
Jesus H this is terrifying to me. 5 at larges? You will have 3-loss Ohio State and 3-loss LSU getting in every year. If you didnt like out of conference match ups now, imagine what will happen once you tell every team that their out of conference games are essentially meaningless.
Hey guys, don't worry about losing 2 or 3 games every year, you still have a chance to play for all the marbles. YAY.
The problem people dont understand is that there are 119 teams in NCAA Football. There are only 30 something in MLB or NFL or NBA, etc. You are always going to have a logjam of teams with the same record. You're always going to have 12 1-loss teams, or 12 2-loss teams, or 12 3 -loss teams. You are always going to get to the end of the rainbow and say, shit, how do we determine who gets in at #16. Look at all of these 2 loss teams staking their claim. And you know Ohio State has dominated everyone outside of their 3 losses. They are better than a lot of these two loss teams. The regular season will be an absolute joke. Right now, I dont miss a single play of any Gator game, because the whole season can change. But if I know they can lose 2 games every year and still get in, I'm not gonna sit home and watch the games every Saturday. I'll call someone up and say "Hey man I had to go grocery shopping, did the Gators win? No? Ah man, ok well we can only lose 1 more."
And USC's loss to Oregon State was absolutely meaningless. Oregon State didnt knock USC out of the title hunt. Just gave them a loss. No biggie. USC can actually take another loss and still make it into the tournament. Where's the fun in that? Just like every other sport. No more storming the field anymore when you knock a team out of the title hunt. No more sell outs and rabid fans going nuts over showdowns vs. #1 ranked teams. Oh you beat #1? That's cute. They fell to #8. They'll still make the playoffs by a mile. They werent motivated for the game, they knew they were going to make the tournament anyway. Oh 3-loss Ohio State voted in because of media bias beat undefeated #1 Oklahoma in the 1st round? What was the purpose of the regular season if all they had to do was sneak into the tournament and knock someone off who had won all of their games all year?
Where will the constant bickering between fans each week go? 16 teams? There is no mystery about who will make the tournament. Everyone will just finish out their regular season. Each game carrying much less importance than what it used to.
Secretaries arent passionate about it. They dont even know who they are picking. They are just filling out a bracket with teams with cute school names. They dont care who wins or loses deep down. There is no real passion there. Just artificial.
AGAIN, these people need March Madness brackets to make the games interesting. Why cant they just sit back and watch without having to gamble on it in some fashion? BC nobody cares. 64 fuckin teams make the tournament. Wake me up when it's the final four.
There is no greater debating, and more passionate fans than in college football. No regular season means more.
People are so brainwashed, and so unimaginitive to see that the regular season is the playoffs.
Just need a final 4 format and a way for any at large team to get in.
The regular season wouldn't be ruined, you are exaggerating that greatly. I freely admit it would be diminished to a level, but I am willing to accept diminishing the REGULAR season and believe the benefits of having a real champion, determined on the field, far outweigh the negatives of giving USC a mulligan. A slightly diminished regular season to me is a small price to pay for giving teams like Utah, Boise, Hawaii and the other 60 teams who essentially play for scraps a realistic chance to prove themselves. By saying that it won't be diminished much I mean that these games are still vitally important, they won't all be life and death, but they will be the difference between a 1 or 2 seed and a 10 seed. HUGE meaning between playing Buffalo or Texas Tech in the first round. As I listed above, those late season games were win and in games for almost every team. It will be diminished, but not ruined.
There is no 3 loss teams in a 16 team playoff this season. You want a game meaning something, BYU/Utah was do or die for both, it meant far less without a playoff than it would with it. Would you rather be debating whether TCU is more deserving than Oklahoma State or the UT/OU fiasco, or USC being ass out, or any other of the ones listed above. What this system does is make the regular season a farce, it promotes scheduling crap (see TT), it says to half the teams "thanks for playing, but we aren't going to take you seriously no matter what you do. Then, when you go undefeated we will diminish that by saying you didn't play anyone. Then, when you call a big school to play a "real" game, they won't play you b/c they can't risk losing to a non-BCS school", it makes teams like Oklahoma (and that is my team) look for the perfect teams to schedule non-con, ones that will boost their SOS while at the same time having no real chance to beat them. Does every game mean something? No, it doesn't, every game played by OU, UT, UF, USC, etc., means everything. Games played by Utah, Boise St mean nothing. With a playoff, Utah's games mean something, Boise's do, perhaps every game by OU, UT, UF, USC won't, but every game by Oregon St, Texas Tech, Missouri, Oklahoma St, they will all mean something. right now, those teams have to be perfect to get a look from anyone. Even they're not on a balance with other teams in their conference. Look how quickly TT was dismissed by everyone in the OU/UT debate. The opportunities aren't level for every team, this would level them.
The only reason your girlfriend is passionate is b/c she likes UF, if this were UW, FSU and Miami she wouldn't give a shit. her fanatical interest lies in the team itself, not the controversy. March Madness is perfect for casual fans, they don't go nuts over it, but they are interested, they fill out their brackets, they follow the brackets even if they don't know shit.
The inherent problem I have in accepting that the regular season is the playoffs is that it is so inherently unbalanced and elitist in providing opportunities for teams to compete. The regular season is an old boys network. If your name is Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Alabama, LSU or Ohio St, you are granted entry. If your name is Washington, Oregon, Utah, Boise St (and I'm not contending the latter two are as good as the formerly named teams), Auburn, USC, you are playing by different rules. OU, UT, UF, Bama, LSU, OSU can lose a game and still play for NCs. Utah, Boise, hell, even Auburn can go undefeated and still have no chance. USC can't lose a game (twice in 6 years now) and be in the same discussion as the Big 12 and SEC teams. UW beat UM, UM beat FSU yet FSU plays OU in 2000. How is the regular season a playoff when you don't respect those results? How is it a playoff when teams go undefeated and their ceiling is 6th or 8th?
I love college football, more than CBK and more than the pro sports and I am tense as all hell watching OU games. I loved the SEC title game with everything on the line, Oregon St upsetting USC, TT upsetting UT, Iowa/PSU, etc., but in the end I can't get over the inherent biases and fact that when you get right down to it, only 15-18 teams annually have a chance at an NC and even amongst those teams, certain teams have significantly more difficult criteria to get there.
You guys are unbelievable.
I love when people come in and call other people stupid, or think their approach is "common sense" and no one else can have a differing viewpoint.
I guess I'm an idiot for having an opinion that doesnt match everyone else's.
I realize my opinion is in the minority. I realize before the thread was even made that very few, if anyone, was going to agree.
I will promise you one thing though: a 16 fuckin team playoff would DEVASTATE AND RUIN college football as we know it.
8 teams? Maybe. And I'd still be against it. BUT 16 fuckin teams? NO WAY. People are not thinking this out. This is not basketball.
you guys are unbelievable.
I love when people come in and call other people stupid, or think their approach is "common sense" and no one else can have a differing viewpoint.
I guess i'm an idiot for having an opinion that doesnt match everyone else's.
I realize my opinion is in the minority. I realize before the thread was even made that very few, if anyone, was going to agree.
I will promise you one thing though: A 16 fuckin team playoff would devastate and ruin college football as we know it.
8 teams? Maybe. And i'd still be against it. But 16 fuckin teams? No way. People are not thinking this out. This is not basketball.
You are spot on my friend........and definetly a true fan of cfb!!
The main reason people such as Red Eye and Kermit want a playoff is to hedge their futures wagers.............
Maybe on the championship game , but what about the other meaningless BCS games. I have no reason to watch those games.I'm not interested in the commentators trying to convince me how this game is important.If they have to try to convince me, then its not. I know , I know, its important for momentum for next year, or its Fuck'n important for recruiting. I've heard them all. If the winner of Utah-Bama advanced , then i would be interested.
Your right, for all practical purposes the season is over except for the championship game................just look at these bowls as added entertainment and a reward for teams and their fans for having a decent season in their quest to reach the BCS championship game but falling short.
I can hardly wait for the Outback Bowl..........a full week of festivities for fans and players, leading up to a game between two fine football teams sandwiched by hours of game day tailgating before and after the game.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND ATTENDING BOWL GAMES, especially those involving the Hawkeyes.
Your right, for all practical purposes the season is over except for the championship game................just look at these bowls as added entertainment and a reward for teams and their fans for having a decent season in their quest to reach the BCS championship game but falling short.
I can hardly wait for the Outback Bowl..........a full week of festivities for fans and players, leading up to a game between two fine football teams sandwiched by hours of game day tailgating before and after the game.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND ATTENDING BOWL GAMES, especially those involving the Hawkeyes.
You couldn't be more wrong about that. From a wagering point of view, I love the pathetic BCS system. Why ? It's far easier to handicap who will be in the championship game. I will give a couple of examples from this year. As soon as USC lost to Oregon State, I knew they were out of the Title game because of the weak Pac 10 this year. Same story goes for Penn State as the weak Little 10 ended their Title hopes. When did I jump big time on Florida and Oklahoma ? Easy answer ... As soon as texas Tech beat Texas. The schedule told me that Texas Tech had to go to Oklahoma and I couldn't see Tech beating Oklahoma at Oklahoma. Oklahoma beating Number 2 Texas Tech and top 10 Oklahoma State would put them above Texas in the BCS phony so called system ! Total BS but knowing how pathetic this BCS nonsense is makes for getting great futures. Texas kinda got screwed but who cares ? It's the Fuc-en BCS !You are spot on my friend........and definetly a true fan of cfb!!
The main reason people such as Red Eye and Kermit want a playoff is to hedge their futures wagers.............
The current system does the best of crowning a true champion more than any other major sport.
The CFB "season" is the most thrilling in all sports.
Long live the BCS, the POLLS, and the FUN.
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This is where I can't disagree more. How you can say that this system does a better job of crowing a "true champion" when 1/2 the teams are virtually ineligible from the first snap, even while going undefeated (Marshall, Utah x2, Boise x2, Hawaii); when a team (Auburn) can come from what is generally regarded as the toughest conference undefeated; when a Washington can beat Miami, who in turn beats FSU and yet FSU plays for an NC, is beyond me.
would be tough to argue that flor and okl are not the best two teams in the country right now.
flor beats #1
okl destroyys tt, who beat tex
usc struggles against a horrible ucla team
Are you so naive that you overlook the fact that Texas played Oklahoma on a neutral field and beat Oklahoma 45-35. Also Texas only loss was by 2 points to Texas
Tech and that game was on the road on the last play of the game. Tell Texas how much better Oklahoma is than Texas ! As for USC, please explain how USC can lose by 6 to Oregon State and Penn
State beat Oregon State by 31 points, yet USC is favored by 10 points.
Once many years ago I declared Portland State the true National Champion using your theory of common opponents and who beat who etc.
I believe it went like Portland State beat some team that beat Oregon State who in turn beat OJ Simpson led USC who won the National Championship in 1967. I did it in fun but apparently you are serious that Oklahoma's victory over Texas Tech at home is far more important than Texas beating Oklahoma by 10 on a neutral field.
Right now I'm not sure that USC, Texas, Alabama,or perhaps even Utah might prevail in a playoff after the major bowls have been played. 3 more games after the bowls have been played would solve the matter on the field, not in opinions. How many times does the top 2 rated teams in college basketball make it to the final game ? Yes, almost never and that's my point !i did say right now.