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According to a survey done by the Philadelphia Inquirer a University of Maryland poll of over 1,200 Americans reveals:

1) More than one-half of Americans polled incorrectly believe that Iraqis were among the September 11th hijackers.

2) More than one-third believe that America either found WMD in Iraq (as in, have already found and dealt with them publicly, vs. the very shrewd found them and are sitting on the news until election time that outandup proposes.)

3) Nearly one-fourth erroneously believe that Iraq actually used WMD against Coalition troops during the war, despite the fact that not even a rumour of such was ever featured on any news anywhere.

4) Even more astounding, a full 40% believe that they were 'misled' about the rationale for the war. In and of itself not so suprising, but coupled with the other three ...

Story here.

And here I've been laughing at the assorted morons on this forum, not realising that all the while I was grappling with the Titans of American intellect.

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Phaedrus,
I believe none of the above you FUKIN dicweed, except they've found some weapons.

My foot needs to be up your azz.

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Jesus Christ, you nincompoop. LEARN TO READ.

As the title and last comment in the post imply, I consider even a sycophantic, semi-literate, too lazy to read the frickin post asshole like yourself several strata above the certified fork and spoon operators that took the survery quoted.

But as your own reply affirms, still a <maroon>


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great post Phaedrus, it can get very very discouraging reading such surveys...

outandup: "I believe none of the above you FUKIN dicweed"

just the dumbass reply i was expecting, completely missing the fvcking point.
 

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OK, I'll relax my last.

Most of your attack posts become the same ole shit, I jumped the gun on this one.

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what a load of crap....we all know these polls are designed to illicit the desired response.....

the questions are probably posed in a way to yield the result that the pollster wants....or they polled a couple thousand soccer moms who aren`t aware of anything outside of johhny`s soccer game and what`s for dinner that night....

why else would you stage such a poll?....if you got a result that indicated that people were aware of all these facts,would you print it?....if so,why?....

just another liberal newspaper run by guilt ridden white ivy league bush haters trying to undermine the administration...trying to make the american people look bad and maybe imply that the people are being misinformed or just plain stupid...and conducted at the university of maryland......lmao....maybe the second most liberal state university outside of the ivy`s and massachusetts......sam popkin,democratic advisor?......the brookings institute,CENTRIST liberal think tank/.very objective...lol..as a matter of fact,lmao....

i`m a bit surprised that most of the intellects on this forum aren`t aware of this stuff......

ummm,ummm,ummm...i know phaedrus understands propaganda when he sees it...i expect this kind of tripe from jack dee...
 
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What Did He Know and When Did He Know It?

By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
June 18, 2003

What did the president know and when did he know it?


The answer to that question forced the resignation of Richard Nixon as he was about to be impeached.


Now, with President Bush facing that same question, congressional Republicans have circled the wagons to prevent a public hearing on whether intelligence was distorted by the White House to convince us of the need for war. Why? Because public hearings could lead to public demands for impeachment. Sound far-fetched? Not when you consider the gravity of the charge.


"To put it bluntly," former Nixon White House counsel John Dean wrote on the legal Web site FindLaw on June 6, "if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked. Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be 'a high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause. It would also be a violation of federal criminal law, including the broad federal anti-conspiracy statute, which renders it a felony 'to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose.'."


Of course, intelligence data is often open to interpretation, and some political distortion is probably inevitable. Consider, however, just one of the recent revelations about how Iraq weapons intelligence was handled by the Bush administration and you'll start to see a disturbing pattern of cynical mendacity.


Call it the "Case of the Phantom Uranium." It starts with a document, later exposed by United Nations inspectors as a crude forgery, that was sold by an African diplomat to Italian intelligence, which passed it to the British. It seemed to implicate Saddam Hussein in an attempt to buy uranium from Africa. This apparently proved too juicy a tidbit for the hawks in the Bush administration to resist. They knew that the specter of Iraqi nukes – which U.N. inspectors would establish as baseless – would scare Americans much more than talk of mustard gas, and scaring Americans is this administration's M.O.


Thus in his 2003 State of the Union address, the president intoned that "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa." Scary stuff. Problem was, the document was signed by an official who had given up his post a decade earlier, and the CIA had told the White House the story did not check out.


On Friday, the Knight Ridder newspaper chain reported that, according to a senior CIA official, on March 9, 2002, a full 10 months before the speech, the White House was duly informed that an investigation, including an agent traveling to Africa to verify the story, had found no basis for the document. Three senior administration officials told the Knight Ridder reporter that Vice President Dick Cheney and officials on the National Security Council staff and at the Pentagon ignored the CIA's reservations and argued that the allegation should be included in the case against Hussein.

This is just one example of the administration's manipulation of intelligence in justifying a war that already has killed thousands of people and continues to take the lives of several Americans each week. It is exceedingly odd that the same congressional Republicans who impeached Bill Clinton for dissembling in a sexual scandal find none of this worthy of a full public hearing. To pacify a growing number of critics, they have instead scheduled a secret and limited inquiry.

Perhaps the Republicans think they can stall until fragments of evidence of weapons of mass destruction are found, which would clear Bush's name. However, that won't do the trick. The president persistently claimed that the war was necessitated by the imminent threat of deployed weapons – "a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles," as the president put it, capable of dispersing a huge existing arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, including "missions targeting the United States."

Instead, almost three months after we invaded Iraq, the United States and Britain have yet to find anything of the sort.

"Frankly, we expected to find large warehouses full of chemical or biological weapons, or delivery systems," Army Col. John Connell, who heads the hunt for those AWOL weapons in Iraq, said in Sunday's Los Angeles Times. "At this point, we're getting fairly sure we're not going to find a full-up production facility. We're going to find little pieces."

We now know that the threat of deployed WMD was a blatant falsehood. What has not been established is whether the president was in on the lie. If he was, he should be impeached.
 

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Sweet!!!!!! My name made it to the Topic list!!!!!!! I didn't even have to put it there.

Out, Jointpleaseure we must really be getting under Phaedrus' skin.

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I took his post as a bit of a back handed slap. His threads usually don't get much attention so maybe he thought he'd get a few replies. This may trun out to be his most popular.

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I would have to agree that Phaedrus puts up more interesting stuff than we get from some of the blind Bush2 supporters here.
 

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Well, I'm flattered, especially given that I tend to be on the opposite side of many issues with RFC.

KMAN, I hope when you say your prayers at night, and are asking God to bless W. and to smite the Segway commies and such, that you make time to thank him for jjgold and Railbird, because as long as they are at this site you will never be on the bottom of the barrel.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hail George W!

Down with the Dems!
Down with the Dems!
Down with the Dems!

KMAN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But Jesus and I know you're doing your best to get there.


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Among the American Intellectual Elite.

Thanks - Growing up I watch Crossfire on TV and even at an early age of ten or so I realized that the lefties were idiots.
 

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i personally look forward to phaedrus` posts....he`s usually an "equal opportunity" ball buster.....i`d say he leans liberal,but he seems to be an independent thinker.....i like to think of him in the chris matthews mold....a democrat that`s not afraid to jump ship if HE disagrees with a certain position....

keep the posts coming.....i know you don`t mind disagreement....that`s what this forum is all about...

radio....robert scheer?????.......he `s to the democrat`s what newt gingrich is to the republicans....or hitler to the nazi`s....
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....scheer`s a real independent thinker....
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"just another liberal newspaper run by guilt ridden white ivy league bush haters trying to undermine the administration...trying to make the american people look bad and maybe imply that the people are being misinformed or just plain stupid...and "

you are so fvcking misinformed or just downright stupid sphincter, you are so fvcking confused, liberals, aka commies in your mind, which are also white and ivy league elites, AND bush haters, as if bush was not an ivy league rich fvck up elitist... this is one of the most pitiful types of non logic i ve come across, i seriously think you should get some help in terms of your political thinking, or your reasoning in general, you can try aristotle or lenin, for some rational thinking.
 

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and to all right wings here, are you fvcking shiting us there is no "liberalism" in the u.s. because unlike the rest of the fvcking world, all of it, there has never been any left wing movement which has taken power in the us, and was not infiltrated and taken apart by the democratic forces of the old f b of i and c i of a.

You are demonstrating you are dumber than, well, you are dumbest than anything by spitting out the shit of your spoon fed propaganda, claiming, say, outandup: nytimes are leftist, and there's is a liberal conspiracy in the media.

wake up and smell the coffee most of you right wing hawks are intellectual midgets, come to europe and say the same shit and you ll get your fat ignorant asses sent home by 10 year olds.
 

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Jack, one error you're making here is in the attempt to compartmentalise Americans. Look at all the people on this forum that call me liberal scum, when I am in fact big-time conservative scum. The lines in American ideologies are not so drastically drawn as in many other nations, because our nation has very seldom been polarised along lines in the way many others have. Think of Greece in the period from Nazi occupation up to the final vestiges of military dictatorship in the 70's ... there was a clear "this side or that one" to almost every issue facing Greece as a nation in that time period ... Communism, Turkey and Cyprus, the monarchy, the military, and finally democracy. Like Greece, most European nations saw a massive and dramatic polarisation of their populations into "left" and "right" (whatever the particular respective definitions of the time might have been) in the 20th century because of one or both of the world wars. America has had no real nation-dividing issue such as this since, well, since our nation was quite literally divided over 140 years ago.

FWIW, it does seem that we're getting there. I see the Clinton and W.Bush administrations as being nearly mirror-images of the administrations that got the ball rolling for the Civil War (Tyler and Polk in the late 1830's into the 1840's) and if their timeline was anything by which to judge, by 2020 or so the US will be in a total shambles as it was in 1864.

I can only hope that no "hero" like the devil incarnate that was Abraham Lincoln rises up to "save" us again, starting the whole vicious cycle of prejudice, ignorance and obedience to the State all over again for another generation to try to sort out.


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hi jack...nice to hear from the "greek sheik" again....try and keep the ad hominem attacks to a minimum....someone might interpret all the personal stuff as someone with very little of substance to offer....

the generalizations that you make speak for themselves...no one has a point of view worth hearing except yourself....

take a hint from the posts of phaedrus....make your point and try and hold a civilized debate...people will take you more seriously...

and try and be a little more objective...yes bush has many faults....yes,the administration can be called on the carpet for many of it`s actions throughout the iraqi situation....but,try and look at the motivations of the other players involved....everyone was in this to further their own interests...be they economic,security,political or whatever.....one good thing is that saddam is removed....maybe this country and it`s people have a chance at a better quality of life....btw,i was not for this war....i foresaw serious problems in the aftermath....i,humbly,seem to have been proven right on that issue(at least so far...it`s still early)...regime change and nation building are enormously difficult objectives...especially in this type of society(see end of thread).......





be thankful that the one true superpower in the world is the usa....many faults and flaws...much hatred,animosity and jealousy...

it`s funny how hated we are when we are not needed...and how beloved we are when someone needs our help...


maybe you`d be happier if a communist country was the world super power.....maybe a middle eastern theocracy...

yeah, a muslim theocracy where polygamy is the order of the day and women are kept in near bondage. Foreign workers are often treated like slaves. Thieves and adulteresses are stoned to death or are beheaded in public squares...like our "ally"(laugh) saudi arabia.... The royal family lives in splendor and wretched excess while the average person has trouble finding a job. ..the Saudis have experienced neither colonialism nor enlightenment. Theirs is a 13th century society living with 21st century luxuries.....

yeah,that would be much better....be careful what you wish for.....

be nice...

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