i let this particluar homo dictate the play actually that is my favorite way to play he kept trying to make small raises then he thought his pair looked great as the hand was just about done:
> Game # 129,839,412 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> DaveStoller folded
> Foremny folded
> banez folded
> robfunk30 called for 150
> jagarn folded
> AAK1 called for 150
> loveforlove folded
> kelly123 folded
> jimmyo1 folded
> ShopLifter checked
> Dealing the Flop(9§2§A©)
> ShopLifter bet for 150
> robfunk30 raised for 300
> AAK1 raised for 900
> ShopLifter folded
> robfunk30 called for 600
> Dealing the turn(8ª)
> robfunk30 bet for 300
> AAK1 went all-in for 2,840
> robfunk30 called for 2,540
> Dealing the river(9©)
> robfunk30 wins 8,155 with a Full House, Nines full of Aces
> This table is now in a re-buy / add-on round.
> AAK1 did not request an add-on or re-buy.
> AAK1 has left the tournament in 1544th place
> Game # 129,839,412 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> DaveStoller folded
> Foremny folded
> banez folded
> robfunk30 called for 150
> jagarn folded
> AAK1 called for 150
> loveforlove folded
> kelly123 folded
> jimmyo1 folded
> ShopLifter checked
> Dealing the Flop(9§2§A©)
> ShopLifter bet for 150
> robfunk30 raised for 300
> AAK1 raised for 900
> ShopLifter folded
> robfunk30 called for 600
> Dealing the turn(8ª)
> robfunk30 bet for 300
> AAK1 went all-in for 2,840
> robfunk30 called for 2,540
> Dealing the river(9©)
> robfunk30 wins 8,155 with a Full House, Nines full of Aces
> This table is now in a re-buy / add-on round.
> AAK1 did not request an add-on or re-buy.
> AAK1 has left the tournament in 1544th place
here is another good play where i make these guys look like ass clows rob funk style. you notice that the small raises allow me to keep playing for my straight and I am fortunate enough to get it. this is another example of where you could have made a larger raise but instead you give the player value and let him take chances to make his hand by calling the small raises.
Game # 129,865,967 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> dnmdk called for 400
> ChansBoy called for 400
> mentod folded
> ShopLifter called for 400
> DaveStoller folded
> Funkmeister folded
> banez called for 400
> robfunk30 called for 400
> jagarn called for 200
> FaderMerrin folded
> Dealing the Flop(A¨J§3¨)
> jagarn checked
> dnmdk checked
> ChansBoy bet for 400
> ShopLifter folded
> banez raised for 800
> robfunk30 called for 800
> jagarn folded
> dnmdk folded
> ChansBoy called for 400
> Dealing the turn(5©)
> ChansBoy bet for 800
> banez called for 800
> robfunk30 called for 800
> Dealing the river(10ª)
> ChansBoy went all-in for 25,137.50
> banez went all-in for 3,340
> robfunk30 went all-in for 7,060
> Extra chips returned to ChansBoy, 18,077.50
> banez shows Two Pair, Aces over Threes
(A¨A§3¨3ªJ§)
> ChansBoy shows Two Pair, Aces over Tens
(A¨Aª10ª10§J§)
> robfunk30 wins 25,060 with a Straight, Ace high
> banez has left the tournament in 493rd place
> FaderMerrin posted small blind (200)
> dnmdk posted big blind (400)
> Game # 129,866,654 starting.
**********
> Dealing Hole Cards
> ChansBoy called for 400
> mentod folded
> ShopLifter folded
> DaveStoller went all-in for 9,070
> Funkmeister folded
dnmdk> vn
> robfunk30 folded
> jagarn folded
> FaderMerrin folded
> dnmdk called for 8,670
robfunk30> thx man*
****************
Game # 129,865,967 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> dnmdk called for 400
> ChansBoy called for 400
> mentod folded
> ShopLifter called for 400
> DaveStoller folded
> Funkmeister folded
> banez called for 400
> robfunk30 called for 400
> jagarn called for 200
> FaderMerrin folded
> Dealing the Flop(A¨J§3¨)
> jagarn checked
> dnmdk checked
> ChansBoy bet for 400
> ShopLifter folded
> banez raised for 800
> robfunk30 called for 800
> jagarn folded
> dnmdk folded
> ChansBoy called for 400
> Dealing the turn(5©)
> ChansBoy bet for 800
> banez called for 800
> robfunk30 called for 800
> Dealing the river(10ª)
> ChansBoy went all-in for 25,137.50
> banez went all-in for 3,340
> robfunk30 went all-in for 7,060
> Extra chips returned to ChansBoy, 18,077.50
> banez shows Two Pair, Aces over Threes
(A¨A§3¨3ªJ§)
> ChansBoy shows Two Pair, Aces over Tens
(A¨Aª10ª10§J§)
> robfunk30 wins 25,060 with a Straight, Ace high
> banez has left the tournament in 493rd place
> FaderMerrin posted small blind (200)
> dnmdk posted big blind (400)
> Game # 129,866,654 starting.
**********
> Dealing Hole Cards
> ChansBoy called for 400
> mentod folded
> ShopLifter folded
> DaveStoller went all-in for 9,070
> Funkmeister folded
dnmdk> vn
> robfunk30 folded
> jagarn folded
> FaderMerrin folded
> dnmdk called for 8,670
robfunk30> thx man*
****************
Rob-
Is "rob funk style" to call when you have the worst of it and not such great odds?
Did you have KQ in that second hand? If so and you didn't have a flush draw in addition to your 4 outer I would say that sure those guys were ass clows for making such small bets into a pot that size but your play was not proper either.
Unless I read the hand wrong, you called a raise cold when all you were drawing to was a gut shot. Additionally, your stack was less than 1/3 the size of the larger stack so it's not like you had great implied odds there.
In the end you got paid off but your example is one reason why so many people LOVE poker these days especially the online variety. People toss about terms like fish and ass clown yet their own play is questionable.
Is "rob funk style" to call when you have the worst of it and not such great odds?
Did you have KQ in that second hand? If so and you didn't have a flush draw in addition to your 4 outer I would say that sure those guys were ass clows for making such small bets into a pot that size but your play was not proper either.
Unless I read the hand wrong, you called a raise cold when all you were drawing to was a gut shot. Additionally, your stack was less than 1/3 the size of the larger stack so it's not like you had great implied odds there.
In the end you got paid off but your example is one reason why so many people LOVE poker these days especially the online variety. People toss about terms like fish and ass clown yet their own play is questionable.
yes i did have KQ in the second hand. If I flop A,J I have 1 in 6.3 to make a straight calling small raises. that was my whole point they made small raises where if they just put out something a little more sizey i would have backed out. it happens a lot, people let other players hang around to make hands when they were originally ahead.
Robfunk-
When you made the call it was approx 1 in 11 for you to hit your card at the turn but only 4000 in the pot to call a raise to 800 cold and that is if you assume that the original bettor calls the raise. The 1 in 6 is for you to get there by the river.
Ok...so you missed on the turn. The pot is approx 6400 when you are faced with a bet of 800. Now instead of 1 in 6 you are looking at that 1 in 11 again.
The odds of you hitting the str8 by the river may in fact be approx 1 in 6 but even then when you work out the odds for the particular bets that you faced you still don't get there in terms of it being the right play.
The only way to get there is to move to implied odds and the fact that if you hit:
1) There will not be a sizable bet at the turn which forces you out if the turn didn't bring the str8.
2) You will have an opportunity to get more money into the pot.
3) Someone will have a strong enough hand to actually call and pay you off.
4) Your 10 does not give someone a flush (we don't know the suits) with your str8 losing.
5) Your 10 doesn't give someone else a str8 (possible since the betting is so weak) and you end up splitting the pot.
I hear your point about the small raises...it was poor especially for the guy who flopped 2 pair. He had to know that ANY ace would call a pot sized bet. At the turn almost all my money is going in because I know that in the games I play in most of the time even the "ass clowns" with A4 are going to call my 2 pair.
My only point was that your calls were questionable AT BEST yet you said it was a "good play". Your stack didn't seem so great that you could afford to blow off chips. Yet you have the gall to call them "ass clowns." Frankly, your play will get you broke over the long term, IMO.
Good discussion. I hope that someone with more knowledge than the 2 of us combined will jump in here and offer some insight.
When you made the call it was approx 1 in 11 for you to hit your card at the turn but only 4000 in the pot to call a raise to 800 cold and that is if you assume that the original bettor calls the raise. The 1 in 6 is for you to get there by the river.
Ok...so you missed on the turn. The pot is approx 6400 when you are faced with a bet of 800. Now instead of 1 in 6 you are looking at that 1 in 11 again.
The odds of you hitting the str8 by the river may in fact be approx 1 in 6 but even then when you work out the odds for the particular bets that you faced you still don't get there in terms of it being the right play.
The only way to get there is to move to implied odds and the fact that if you hit:
1) There will not be a sizable bet at the turn which forces you out if the turn didn't bring the str8.
2) You will have an opportunity to get more money into the pot.
3) Someone will have a strong enough hand to actually call and pay you off.
4) Your 10 does not give someone a flush (we don't know the suits) with your str8 losing.
5) Your 10 doesn't give someone else a str8 (possible since the betting is so weak) and you end up splitting the pot.
I hear your point about the small raises...it was poor especially for the guy who flopped 2 pair. He had to know that ANY ace would call a pot sized bet. At the turn almost all my money is going in because I know that in the games I play in most of the time even the "ass clowns" with A4 are going to call my 2 pair.
My only point was that your calls were questionable AT BEST yet you said it was a "good play". Your stack didn't seem so great that you could afford to blow off chips. Yet you have the gall to call them "ass clowns." Frankly, your play will get you broke over the long term, IMO.
Good discussion. I hope that someone with more knowledge than the 2 of us combined will jump in here and offer some insight.
theswami- here are a few hands from my tourney tonight where I took 4th and $3390 profit! Let me know your thoughts, the second hand is crazy, I smelt something was up, and he ended up getting 3rd, and the guy only made mini-bets and mini-raises, he didnt know what he was doing exactly, but it worked for him, as it confused a lot of people. The last hand is my key hand, I almost folded, but called thinking it was too great a chance he had AQ, KQ, or worse. I play to make the final table so that was in my mind. Also with around 30 left, I was in about 25th, picked up AK and KK back to back and was in 3rd after those 2 hands. Huge rush! but anyway, enough rambling, here they are. Didnt have any bad beats but at the final table chopped AK vs AJ all in preflop. and QQ vs AT chopped on the 8-Q strait when i flopped top set. ha
***** Hand History for Game 1179780437 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7194391 Level:5 Blinds (50/100) - Sunday, November 14, 22:36:15 EDT 2004
Table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: lavec606 ( $2455 )
Seat 4: Lenster32 ( $1948 )
Seat 6: Nickster226 ( $6716 )
Seat 7: Bengalfan24 ( $1590 )
Seat 9: JDredd ( $4125 )
Seat 3: Jim1102 ( $1485 )
Seat 1: HODGA ( $1380 )
Seat 10: babyruth2004 ( $1480 )
Trny:7194391 Level:5
Blinds (50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bengalfan24 [ Jh Qh ]
HODGA folds.
lavec606 folds.
Jim1102 folds.
Lenster32 folds.
Nickster226 folds.
Bengalfan24 raises [300].
JDredd folds.
babyruth2004 calls [200].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, 5d, Th ]
>You have options at Table 14428 Table!.
babyruth2004 bets [375].
Bengalfan24 is all-In.
dmcdmc1 has joined the table.
Player dmcdmc1 has been seated on table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #18 table
babyruth2004 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
FunkyMama has joined the table.
Player FunkyMama has been seated on table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #18 table
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
babyruth2004 shows [ Ts, Jc ] a pair of tens.
Bengalfan24 shows [ Jh, Qh ] a pair of queens.
Player babyruth2004 finished in 168 place
Bengalfan24 wins 110 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of queens.
Bengalfan24 wins 3010 chips from the main pot with a pair of queens.
>You have options at Table 14428 Table!.
babyruth2004 has left the table.
________________________________________________________________________
***** Hand History for Game 1179816333 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7194391 Level:5 Blinds (50/100) - Sunday, November 14, 22:44:17 EDT 2004
Table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: lavec606 ( $2305 )
Seat 4: Lenster32 ( $2198 )
Seat 6: Nickster226 ( $7166 )
Seat 7: Bengalfan24 ( $3020 )
Seat 9: JDredd ( $4075 )
Seat 3: Jim1102 ( $1035 )
Seat 1: HODGA ( $1330 )
Seat 5: dmcdmc1 ( $1810 )
Seat 8: FunkyMama ( $2260 )
Seat 10: Treadlightly ( $2629 )
Trny:7194391 Level:5
Blinds (50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bengalfan24 [ As Ah ]
JDredd folds.
Treadlightly folds.
HODGA folds.
lavec606 folds.
Jim1102 folds.
Lenster32 calls [100].
dmcdmc1 folds.
Nickster226 folds.
Bengalfan24 raises [450].
FunkyMama folds.
Lenster32 calls [400].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 2s, 4d ]
Bengalfan24 checks.
Lenster32 bets [100].
Bengalfan24 calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
Bengalfan24 checks.
Lenster32 bets [100].
Bengalfan24 raises [500].
Lenster32 calls [400].
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
Bengalfan24 is all-In.
Lenster32 folds.
Bengalfan24 does not show cards.
Bengalfan24 wins 4220 chips
________________________________________________________________________
YUK
***** Hand History for Game 1179934652 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7194391 Level:7 Blinds (100/200) - Sunday, November 14, 23:10:58 EDT 2004
Table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: lavec606 ( $1780 )
Seat 4: Lenster32 ( $1484 )
Seat 6: Nickster226 ( $8605 )
Seat 7: Bengalfan24 ( $8895 )
Seat 3: Jim1102 ( $2370 )
Seat 1: HODGA ( $1180 )
Seat 10: Treadlightly ( $3714 )
Seat 8: XCaulfieldX ( $100 )
Seat 9: guanaco1 ( $5335 )
Trny:7194391 Level:7
Blinds (100/200)
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bengalfan24 [ Ad Kh ]
Bengalfan24 raises [600].
XCaulfieldX folds.
guanaco1 folds.
Treadlightly folds.
HODGA folds.
lavec606 folds.
Jim1102 folds.
HackSnidr has joined the table.
Player HackSnidr has been seated on table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #12 table
Lenster32 folds.
Nickster226 raises [800].
Bengalfan24 calls [400].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Kc, 4c ]
Nickster226 checks.
Bengalfan24 bets [1500].
Nickster226 calls [1500].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
Nickster226 checks.
Bengalfan24 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Nickster226 bets [200].
Bengalfan24 calls [200].
Nickster226 shows [ Ac, As ] three of a kind, aces.
Bengalfan24 shows [ Ad, Kh ] two pairs, aces and kings.
Nickster226 wins 5400 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, aces.
________________________________________________________________________
***** Hand History for Game 1180111540 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7194391 Level:9 Blinds (200/400) - Sunday, November 14, 23:52:22 EDT 2004
Table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: Lenster32 ( $352 )
Seat 7: Bengalfan24 ( $7100 )
Seat 3: Jim1102 ( $1295 )
Seat 10: Treadlightly ( $6164 )
Seat 1: pitchman27 ( $6646 )
Seat 8: vegasgeek ( $2643 )
Seat 2: Kuzak5000 ( $4345 )
Seat 5: lohausj ( $2330 )
Seat 9: stevejpa83 ( $4985 )
Trny:7194391 Level:9
Blinds (200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bengalfan24 [ Kc Ac ]
vegasgeek folds.
stevejpa83 folds.
Treadlightly folds.
pitchman27 folds.
Kuzak5000 is all-In.
Jim1102 folds.
Lenster32 folds.
lohausj folds.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Bengalfan24 calls [3945].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, Qc, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
Bengalfan24 shows [ Kc, Ac ] a pair of aces.
Kuzak5000 shows [ 6h, 6s ] a pair of sixes.
***** Hand History for Game 1179780437 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7194391 Level:5 Blinds (50/100) - Sunday, November 14, 22:36:15 EDT 2004
Table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: lavec606 ( $2455 )
Seat 4: Lenster32 ( $1948 )
Seat 6: Nickster226 ( $6716 )
Seat 7: Bengalfan24 ( $1590 )
Seat 9: JDredd ( $4125 )
Seat 3: Jim1102 ( $1485 )
Seat 1: HODGA ( $1380 )
Seat 10: babyruth2004 ( $1480 )
Trny:7194391 Level:5
Blinds (50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bengalfan24 [ Jh Qh ]
HODGA folds.
lavec606 folds.
Jim1102 folds.
Lenster32 folds.
Nickster226 folds.
Bengalfan24 raises [300].
JDredd folds.
babyruth2004 calls [200].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, 5d, Th ]
>You have options at Table 14428 Table!.
babyruth2004 bets [375].
Bengalfan24 is all-In.
dmcdmc1 has joined the table.
Player dmcdmc1 has been seated on table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #18 table
babyruth2004 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
FunkyMama has joined the table.
Player FunkyMama has been seated on table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #18 table
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
babyruth2004 shows [ Ts, Jc ] a pair of tens.
Bengalfan24 shows [ Jh, Qh ] a pair of queens.
Player babyruth2004 finished in 168 place
Bengalfan24 wins 110 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of queens.
Bengalfan24 wins 3010 chips from the main pot with a pair of queens.
>You have options at Table 14428 Table!.
babyruth2004 has left the table.
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***** Hand History for Game 1179816333 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7194391 Level:5 Blinds (50/100) - Sunday, November 14, 22:44:17 EDT 2004
Table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: lavec606 ( $2305 )
Seat 4: Lenster32 ( $2198 )
Seat 6: Nickster226 ( $7166 )
Seat 7: Bengalfan24 ( $3020 )
Seat 9: JDredd ( $4075 )
Seat 3: Jim1102 ( $1035 )
Seat 1: HODGA ( $1330 )
Seat 5: dmcdmc1 ( $1810 )
Seat 8: FunkyMama ( $2260 )
Seat 10: Treadlightly ( $2629 )
Trny:7194391 Level:5
Blinds (50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bengalfan24 [ As Ah ]
JDredd folds.
Treadlightly folds.
HODGA folds.
lavec606 folds.
Jim1102 folds.
Lenster32 calls [100].
dmcdmc1 folds.
Nickster226 folds.
Bengalfan24 raises [450].
FunkyMama folds.
Lenster32 calls [400].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 2s, 4d ]
Bengalfan24 checks.
Lenster32 bets [100].
Bengalfan24 calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
Bengalfan24 checks.
Lenster32 bets [100].
Bengalfan24 raises [500].
Lenster32 calls [400].
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
Bengalfan24 is all-In.
Lenster32 folds.
Bengalfan24 does not show cards.
Bengalfan24 wins 4220 chips
________________________________________________________________________
YUK
***** Hand History for Game 1179934652 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7194391 Level:7 Blinds (100/200) - Sunday, November 14, 23:10:58 EDT 2004
Table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: lavec606 ( $1780 )
Seat 4: Lenster32 ( $1484 )
Seat 6: Nickster226 ( $8605 )
Seat 7: Bengalfan24 ( $8895 )
Seat 3: Jim1102 ( $2370 )
Seat 1: HODGA ( $1180 )
Seat 10: Treadlightly ( $3714 )
Seat 8: XCaulfieldX ( $100 )
Seat 9: guanaco1 ( $5335 )
Trny:7194391 Level:7
Blinds (100/200)
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bengalfan24 [ Ad Kh ]
Bengalfan24 raises [600].
XCaulfieldX folds.
guanaco1 folds.
Treadlightly folds.
HODGA folds.
lavec606 folds.
Jim1102 folds.
HackSnidr has joined the table.
Player HackSnidr has been seated on table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #12 table
Lenster32 folds.
Nickster226 raises [800].
Bengalfan24 calls [400].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Kc, 4c ]
Nickster226 checks.
Bengalfan24 bets [1500].
Nickster226 calls [1500].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
Nickster226 checks.
Bengalfan24 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Nickster226 bets [200].
Bengalfan24 calls [200].
Nickster226 shows [ Ac, As ] three of a kind, aces.
Bengalfan24 shows [ Ad, Kh ] two pairs, aces and kings.
Nickster226 wins 5400 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, aces.
________________________________________________________________________
***** Hand History for Game 1180111540 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7194391 Level:9 Blinds (200/400) - Sunday, November 14, 23:52:22 EDT 2004
Table $50,000 Guaranteed Sunday Night Poker(120337) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: Lenster32 ( $352 )
Seat 7: Bengalfan24 ( $7100 )
Seat 3: Jim1102 ( $1295 )
Seat 10: Treadlightly ( $6164 )
Seat 1: pitchman27 ( $6646 )
Seat 8: vegasgeek ( $2643 )
Seat 2: Kuzak5000 ( $4345 )
Seat 5: lohausj ( $2330 )
Seat 9: stevejpa83 ( $4985 )
Trny:7194391 Level:9
Blinds (200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bengalfan24 [ Kc Ac ]
vegasgeek folds.
stevejpa83 folds.
Treadlightly folds.
pitchman27 folds.
Kuzak5000 is all-In.
Jim1102 folds.
Lenster32 folds.
lohausj folds.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Bengalfan24 calls [3945].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, Qc, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
Bengalfan24 shows [ Kc, Ac ] a pair of aces.
Kuzak5000 shows [ 6h, 6s ] a pair of sixes.
Good job Matt on the fourth. Since you asked here are my thoughts:
1) I probably call the flop bet rather than all-in. The only reason for the all-in bet is as a semi-bluff hoping you take the pot right there but the player can't reasonably fold there. I don't know how aggressive he was but the bet was 50% of the pot (I think) which looks like he wanted a call or wanted to control the betting for a draw himself. Since he can't fold to my all-in, I call and hope to hit my card (K, 8, Q, J) at the turn or get a flush redraw.
Since the turn was a heart, all the chips would have probably gone in anyway depending on his play but I like calling just the flop (375 to win 1125).
Since you were on the button you had time to make plays for the blind if you ended up short stacked. I think the play was nice but I'm more conservative by nature and KNOW that at Party it is VERY difficult to get people to lay down hands so I only would make the semi-bluff against someone I think is capable of laying down a hand. It is impossible for me to say whether babyruth is that kind of player or not.
2) The guy's betting is odd. Without knowing the player, here's my take. He is on a draw or has a pair less than JJ. He is trying to look at cards cheaply and I wouldn't oblige. He either wants you to bet so he can get out or he's looking to draw to beat you. In the end, unless he has a hand or is a bad player, it is tough to get paid off here. What I would have done is make a weak bet on the flop. Why? Because he expects a bet and when you do not, he thinks something is fishy. If you make a weak bet it would look like you are scared of the Ace but are trying to pick up the pot. Maybe you can induce a bluff.
The likely scenario is that he'll fold to any strength but the call at the turn is interesting and leads me to believe you left a few $$ on the table. I wouldn't go all in with a set UNLESS there is a strong draw out there and I didn't want callers or it was obvious that the player had a hand with which he could call (2 pair). You HAD to know that the only way he calls your river bet is if he had you beat and since you had close to the nuts, he couldn't call. I probably bet smaller so he could call me, if he goes all-in, I call and hope that somehow this guy didn't expertly play 3-5.
3) Consider yourself lucky. I'm amazed that all the chips didn't go in. I understand his turn play, he was looking to check-raise (I think) what I don't like about his play is that he had the nut flush draw and by playing weakly he shows that he is waiting for the flush to hit. I would worry that you didn't have a club so wouldn't be able to call a reasonable bet if a club hit. Again, I bet small and hope that you try to push me off the pot at the turn. I would then raise you a bit but not all-in and see what the river brings. Then again, you made a strange but correct play at the turn.
You played it perfectly I think. Teach me something, why on earth didn't you bet the turn? You cannot reasonably put him on a made flush since he showed strength preflop. I have a hard time letting people see cards at the turn when I have two pair. He would see the river but it would have cost him. What was your thought process? The ONLY play I see for me is betting my AK hard and making sure he doesn't have the right odds to call. It is likely that I would have busted out on that hand so tell me what you were thinking in the context of how Nickster was playing.
4) I don't know how Kuzak was playing but my chips almost NEVER go in there. You were leading but there were two other guys nipping at your heals. IMHO, given that Kuzak wasn't a short stack, the blinds were only 200/400, and you had plenty of chips, there are SOOOOOO many better times to get your chips in. Best case was 50/50 for you. Even if he turned his cards over and showed me 22 I wouldn't call. If you think you are a better player then you have to think you will have better opportunities. It worked out for you but what hand did you put him on? I don't think it is weak to fold. I always play to win but don't risk chips on coin flips UNLESS someone is pushing me around or have shown steals with all sorts of trash. I have seen late in tourneys where players will go all-in to loosen the table and show things like KT, A7, QJ and I have called them a few hands later with as low as AT to snap them off. Was this a similar situation?
1) I probably call the flop bet rather than all-in. The only reason for the all-in bet is as a semi-bluff hoping you take the pot right there but the player can't reasonably fold there. I don't know how aggressive he was but the bet was 50% of the pot (I think) which looks like he wanted a call or wanted to control the betting for a draw himself. Since he can't fold to my all-in, I call and hope to hit my card (K, 8, Q, J) at the turn or get a flush redraw.
Since the turn was a heart, all the chips would have probably gone in anyway depending on his play but I like calling just the flop (375 to win 1125).
Since you were on the button you had time to make plays for the blind if you ended up short stacked. I think the play was nice but I'm more conservative by nature and KNOW that at Party it is VERY difficult to get people to lay down hands so I only would make the semi-bluff against someone I think is capable of laying down a hand. It is impossible for me to say whether babyruth is that kind of player or not.
2) The guy's betting is odd. Without knowing the player, here's my take. He is on a draw or has a pair less than JJ. He is trying to look at cards cheaply and I wouldn't oblige. He either wants you to bet so he can get out or he's looking to draw to beat you. In the end, unless he has a hand or is a bad player, it is tough to get paid off here. What I would have done is make a weak bet on the flop. Why? Because he expects a bet and when you do not, he thinks something is fishy. If you make a weak bet it would look like you are scared of the Ace but are trying to pick up the pot. Maybe you can induce a bluff.
The likely scenario is that he'll fold to any strength but the call at the turn is interesting and leads me to believe you left a few $$ on the table. I wouldn't go all in with a set UNLESS there is a strong draw out there and I didn't want callers or it was obvious that the player had a hand with which he could call (2 pair). You HAD to know that the only way he calls your river bet is if he had you beat and since you had close to the nuts, he couldn't call. I probably bet smaller so he could call me, if he goes all-in, I call and hope that somehow this guy didn't expertly play 3-5.
3) Consider yourself lucky. I'm amazed that all the chips didn't go in. I understand his turn play, he was looking to check-raise (I think) what I don't like about his play is that he had the nut flush draw and by playing weakly he shows that he is waiting for the flush to hit. I would worry that you didn't have a club so wouldn't be able to call a reasonable bet if a club hit. Again, I bet small and hope that you try to push me off the pot at the turn. I would then raise you a bit but not all-in and see what the river brings. Then again, you made a strange but correct play at the turn.
You played it perfectly I think. Teach me something, why on earth didn't you bet the turn? You cannot reasonably put him on a made flush since he showed strength preflop. I have a hard time letting people see cards at the turn when I have two pair. He would see the river but it would have cost him. What was your thought process? The ONLY play I see for me is betting my AK hard and making sure he doesn't have the right odds to call. It is likely that I would have busted out on that hand so tell me what you were thinking in the context of how Nickster was playing.
4) I don't know how Kuzak was playing but my chips almost NEVER go in there. You were leading but there were two other guys nipping at your heals. IMHO, given that Kuzak wasn't a short stack, the blinds were only 200/400, and you had plenty of chips, there are SOOOOOO many better times to get your chips in. Best case was 50/50 for you. Even if he turned his cards over and showed me 22 I wouldn't call. If you think you are a better player then you have to think you will have better opportunities. It worked out for you but what hand did you put him on? I don't think it is weak to fold. I always play to win but don't risk chips on coin flips UNLESS someone is pushing me around or have shown steals with all sorts of trash. I have seen late in tourneys where players will go all-in to loosen the table and show things like KT, A7, QJ and I have called them a few hands later with as low as AT to snap them off. Was this a similar situation?
I messed up on what I told you. The 3rd hand is where the guy only mini-bet and mini-raised and he finished 3rd. In that 3rd hand, what helped me on getting away cheaply is that coming into the hand he and I were 3rd and 4th out of about 160 players. I had seen him mini-raise AA just about 10 hands before, so I couldnt rule out AA or KK, though it seemed unlikely since i had AK and the AK was out there. I was just ready to get my chips and get onto the next hand.
Hand 4) I debated about this one for a while that is why it mentions my time bank. I was ready to fold, but thought too good of a chance he had AQ or worse and I couldnt pass it up. Also since I was bb I was getting 4945:3945 to call. I play extremely patient in these things, so it was strange I called, but I just couldnt let it go.
Hand 4) I debated about this one for a while that is why it mentions my time bank. I was ready to fold, but thought too good of a chance he had AQ or worse and I couldnt pass it up. Also since I was bb I was getting 4945:3945 to call. I play extremely patient in these things, so it was strange I called, but I just couldnt let it go.
Sounds like your reads were good. Nicely done.
I'm almost convinced I get broke on that 3rd hand. There is no way I check the turn and I'm assuming he puts me all-in if I bet. Although he may call to see if the club comes at the river to help me catch up. I'm not a good enough player yet to muck at the turn in that situation if he bets into me. I've seen too many jokers try to semi-bluff at that pot with a flush draw.
I know you said that you couldn't rule out AA or KK but what were you thinking at the turn? Were you thinking, "I'm just going to check this down and take the pot and move on to the next hand?" This isn't a critique, I'm just trying to figure out what you were thinking. It is hard for me to get out of my head, "BINGO!!!! I just hit my money card, he probably has a club draw or AcQx or AxQc and will call a big bet here to see that river card." I would have had a hard time thinking AA, KK, or AK given your hand and the board. Even if I thought he had one of those hands I would have had a tough time checking the turn. At a minimum, I would have bet for information. He also played the hand like QxQc (small preflop raise on your raise and calling the flop bet).
Would you have called a 4k river bet if he made it?
I'm almost convinced I get broke on that 3rd hand. There is no way I check the turn and I'm assuming he puts me all-in if I bet. Although he may call to see if the club comes at the river to help me catch up. I'm not a good enough player yet to muck at the turn in that situation if he bets into me. I've seen too many jokers try to semi-bluff at that pot with a flush draw.
I know you said that you couldn't rule out AA or KK but what were you thinking at the turn? Were you thinking, "I'm just going to check this down and take the pot and move on to the next hand?" This isn't a critique, I'm just trying to figure out what you were thinking. It is hard for me to get out of my head, "BINGO!!!! I just hit my money card, he probably has a club draw or AcQx or AxQc and will call a big bet here to see that river card." I would have had a hard time thinking AA, KK, or AK given your hand and the board. Even if I thought he had one of those hands I would have had a tough time checking the turn. At a minimum, I would have bet for information. He also played the hand like QxQc (small preflop raise on your raise and calling the flop bet).
Would you have called a 4k river bet if he made it?
Why I didnt bet, is because I would have thrown up if raised on the turn that is. Possibly he had the flush already or had a set(9,9), so I check and hope to boat up? I dont know but I was willing to just check it down
This guy had played so strange, that I had no idea what he had, he could have had a set, a player who mini bets and mini raises would have possibly reraised with 44 preflop.
I think I would call that river bet.
This guy had played so strange, that I had no idea what he had, he could have had a set, a player who mini bets and mini raises would have possibly reraised with 44 preflop.
I think I would call that river bet.
Back to back final tables in the 50K guaranteed. Got 7th tonight. I was shorstacked bad coming into the final table and actually got disconnected and missed 7 hands including my blinds. Was down to 5 bbs when a guy raised and I went all in wtih AJ and he had T5, I hit a boat and was still in 8th(out of 8) but near a few others. Then I pick up TT a few minutes later and get all in vs AK and a K hits. If it holds up I'm 3rd in chips.
