Socialized Medicine..from a Canadian perspective

[GasMan]

well let's use real numbers, shall we?

The average Canadian cardiologist with 10-19 years of experience makes 130k (CAD) according to PayScale Canada.

The average starting salary for an American cardiologist is 300k (USD) with a bump to 450-500k expected within 5 years. With 10-20 years of experience you're looking at 700k/year vs 130k (CAD), which is roughly 103k USD. Study for 15-20 years to pull in 100k instead of 700k? ouch!

is it any wonder than why 1 in 9 physicians in Canada let the country educate them only to fly south for the money? see http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070409/cda_doctors_070409?s_name=&no_ads=
- basically two of their 17 medical schools are doing nothing but teaching doctors how to work in the USA while Canada itself faces a shortage of doctors. hmm, I wonder why they leave?

That is a fact Rolltide. I work with doctors everyday, primary care, cardiology, neurosurgeons, orthopedic surgeons, internal medicine, gastros, endos, OB GYNs, nephrologists...

Many of them are canadian, and they ALL SAID THE SAME THING. You cannot make any money in Canada as a doctor.

 

[Ricboff]

well let's use real numbers, shall we?

The average Canadian cardiologist with 10-19 years of experience makes 130k (CAD) according to PayScale Canada.

The average starting salary for an American cardiologist is 300k (USD) with a bump to 450-500k expected within 5 years. With 10-20 years of experience you're looking at 700k/year vs 130k (CAD), which is roughly 103k USD. Study for 15-20 years to pull in 100k instead of 700k? ouch!

is it any wonder than why 1 in 9 physicians in Canada let the country educate them only to fly south for the money? see http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070409/cda_doctors_070409?s_name=&no_ads=
- basically two of their 17 medical schools are doing nothing but teaching doctors how to work in the USA while Canada itself faces a shortage of doctors. hmm, I wonder why they leave?

LOL!!!!!!!

GP are capped at around $400k, they however incur greater overhead expenses typically than specialists

cardiologists capped at around $650k, much more attractive expenses to rev ratio

the capping is a MAJOR issue

again, lots of issues with Canada's healthcare system, its no utopia, just as in USA. We are taking measures, Canadians are coming back, various reasons (unhappy in America, increases in caps, sign. tax incentives, etc)

 

[Ricboff]

That is a fact Rolltide. I work with doctors everyday, primary care, cardiology, neurosurgeons, orthopedic surgeons, internal medicine, gastros, endos, OB GYNs, nephrologists...

Many of them are canadian, and they ALL SAID THE SAME THING. You cannot make any money in Canada as a doctor.

unreal

 

[Willie99]

Man I can't wait, government going to do for health care what the social security trust fund does for retirement benefits. hno:hno:hno:hno:hno:hno:

a six "you got to be fucking kidding me" head slaps for that one.


What I honestly and truly cannot comprehend is how somebody (anybody) actually believes elected bureaucrats can manage a health care system. Absolutely mindbogglingly.

They're are the most disingenuous scum of the earth, interested in only retaining their power retards that fuck up essentially anything they touch, and people want to create a new bureaucracy, one that would be the largest in the country, for them to manage. It's gotta be the genes.

Our health care system soon to become a bigger political pawn for the shepherds to use has "flock control".

My advice, "just say no", with pun intended. (on a voluntary basis of course)

mindbogglingly

 

[GasMan]

Willie.. the biggest joke of the whole thing is that the government has their eyeballs squarely on the profits that are made in healthcare.

It goes right along with the left socialist agenda, only they can hide behind it being for "the good of all people".

 

[kingbill]

Canadian Doctors do get paid but the investment they have to make in education is a bitch

 

[Willie99]

Canadian Drs really do make a lot less money.

Primary Care Physicians (Family Docs) make 150k Stateside, and they are the lowest paid medical doctor.

 

[kingbill]

Canadian Drs really do make a lot less money.

Primary Care Physicians (Family Docs) make 150k Stateside, and they are the lowest paid medical doctor.

Yeah most Doctors here do their required number of family Clinic hours and then go into specialties so they can make bigger bucks.

If you are going to pay for medical school in Canada you'd be better off going to Dental School, Dentist make a F*ck of a lot of dough.

My dentist wears a jewel encrusted watch and a pinky ring that is worth about a years salary to the average man.

 

[GasMan]

That because Dentistry in Canada is basically an all cash business.

 

[Ricboff]

That because Dentistry in Canada is basically an all cash business.

this guy is hilarious.

basically an all cash business?? enthrall us with your acumen, please, i'm all ears.

 

[kingbill]

That because Dentistry in Canada is basically an all cash business.

I think he gets most of his money from work place benefit packages. Unless it's cosmetic.

 

[kingbill]

this guy is hilarious.

basically an all cash business?? enthrall us with your acumen, please, i'm all ears.

Yes but I don't believe realizes how funny he is...

 

[GasMan]

Its just easy stringin people like Ricboff along.

 

[Ricboff]

Yeah most Doctors here do their required number of family Clinic hours and then go into specialties so they can make bigger bucks.

If you are going to pay for medical school in Canada you'd be better off going to Dental School, Dentist make a F*ck of a lot of dough.

My dentist wears a jewel encrusted watch and a pinky ring that is worth about a years salary to the average man.

as you know, dental is private in Canada--hence no caps (Ontario does have provincial programs for needy children (CINOT) and elderly). This allows for significant greater variation in incomes within dentists. As an example--a GP with an extensive practice, employing say 3 ft hygienists and 2 associates can easily make over 1 million/yr--especially if he's skilled in the various fields (ortho, implants--refers little out). On the other hand, an associate dds can make as little as $75k if he/she is only working pt hrs.

specialists in medicine, do make (in Ont) significant monies and rightfully so. Their issues are salary capping and RAD's

Gas Man--my bad, I wont take you seriously again.