Should Healthcare be a birth right?

[SheriffJoe]

This is pretty simple. Let's take it to BAS

lifetime ban and 5k if I've ever been on any disability in my life.....time for you to walk the talk.

You've already turned me down on MULTIPLE ban bets ("Joe could cheat!") Mister "Walk The Talk" so that ship has sailed.

Stop lying.

 

[SheriffJoe]

the emergency department cannot refuse treatment in a life threatening situation
why don't you propose a reasonable alternative to the situation above? if you don't want to invest in primary care, then what do you do with people who suffer from chronic illnesses? how do you justify to continue paying for their expensive emergency department costs?

The reasonable alternative is...freedom.

What is your definition of adulthood?

 

[vitterd]

You've already turned me down on MULTIPLE ban bets ("Joe could cheat!") Mister "Walk The Talk" so that ship has sailed.

Stop lying.

I guess that's a no!! Lmao. Big shock.

Your con man bullshit has caught with you. When money is on the line.....you shrivel up.

"Real men walk the talk"

"disability and soup kitchens"

how desperate are you? Face it, I called your bluff and now you're scrambling with a pm scheme.

 

[halekulani]

The reasonable alternative is...freedom.

What is your definition of adulthood?

what does freedom have to do with treating an ill person without insurance? you mean freedom to not treat?

 

[SheriffJoe]

what does freedom have to do with treating an ill person without insurance? you mean freedom to not treat?

Everything.

Are you a doctor? What gives you the right to force an independent doctor to treat someone? How do you morally justify making that decision on the doctor's behalf?

And again, what is your definition of adulthood? Because if you truly believe it's "society's" responsibility to house, feed and care for "the poor" cradle to grave on the basis of some fabricated cost-benefit analysis, then you've rendered that definition worthless.

 

[halekulani]

by law my hospital is required to treat everyone in the emergency department to our fullest ability regardless of their insurance.
so if it's the law, then how do you justify spending more on catastrophic emergencies rather than trying to prevent them?

(EMTALA)

• The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate.

 

[guitarjosh]

guitartosh, The idea is that people with higher incomes pay more taxes but that all depends. When rates go up more people in higher brackets hide their money and the government collects less money, when rates are lower more people pay. The only ones that are stuck paying regardless are the poor class. I don't think its correct to say you are paying for anybody else to get health care, its available for you also. It also goes to set up your pension. Maybe a relative of yours benefits from it. Is that such a bad thing?
I think we have to remind ourselves that poor people are our fellow citizens too and not some kinda parasite. They get exploited more than anybody else and we use them to make ourselves rich. Whats the problem?

The top 1% pay around 15%-20% of the income taxes. The poor pay very little, even getting the EITC to offset the payroll taxes. I already have healthcare, and can save my own money for my retirement. If a relative of mine needed help, their friends and family can help, it is wrong to force another to pay for it.

Let's be economic, if you get much more out of society than you contribute to society, society is better off without you. The poor get exploited mainly by their own carelessness.

 

[Greenbacks]

 

[metro]

Indont know obamacare is .. all i know is i was assigned free healthcare.. theres supposed to be sometime of copay for a visit but they never charge me .. everyone that i know was assigned this healthcare , i dont kniw what people are paying orvwhy they wouldnt justbask for free healthcare.

 

[metro]

I donot even own a healthcard..when i arrive i just say that i have state issued healthcare but i dont know the name of the plan bcuz the name has changed allot of times and im confused... they ask me my personal info... type like a maniac , and nd me a clipboard asking me to sign on the x's or make changes if anything has changed... i have never recieved a bill.. neither has anyone else that i know where i live

 

[metro]

A long time ago they used to send bills like a long time ago but they stopped sending them and every visit since then i have never recieved a bill. i never understood all the fuss about it

 

[metro]

I guess everyones employer pays for it so its free either way i suppose

 

[JoeShmoe]

It is in Canada eh? They do it right there I have heard, eh?

 

[cgarn]

It is in Canada eh? They do it right there I have heard, eh?

Yes and No. I use to work in a large hospital in the finance department. I did a report showing all the lazy idiots who would take extended sick benefits (up to 6 months) full paid. Come back and work for 2 weeks and hurt their back again. The Director looked at the report and said sorry can't do anything, they are union employees.

Lots of waste of public money.

 

[michael777]

Yes and No. I use to work in a large hospital in the finance department. I did a report showing all the lazy idiots who would take extended sick benefits (up to 6 months) full paid. Come back and work for 2 weeks and hurt their back again. The Director looked at the report and said sorry can't do anything, they are union employees.

Lots of waste of public money.

yep,lazy libs,using the system,unions SUCK!

 

[metro]

I know a guy that advises people on these loopholes and how to exploit them.

 

[Ricboff]

by law my hospital is required to treat everyone in the emergency department to our fullest ability regardless of their insurance.
so if it's the law, then how do you justify spending more on catastrophic emergencies rather than trying to prevent them?

(EMTALA)

• The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate.

man needs law to ensure he/she helps the sick . Use of fear ?

what does that say about us ? What does that say about the 'success' of religion, teachings of?

 

[metro]

rib.. maybe if they didn't require these doctors go to college for 6 years they wouldnt be so concerned with every last dollar being made to pay back schools.

if they only made you go to college for 4 years instead of 6 maybe they would be a lil more generous

 

[halekulani]

man needs law to ensure he/she helps the sick . Use of fear ?

what does that say about us ? What does that say about the 'success' of religion, teachings of?

dude, what is your point?

as far as medicine training goes, it's 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school and 3-5 years of residency depending on the type and 1-3 years of fellowship, again depending on the type.