Shelton's snears against Clark...possibly explained

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The General: Did Clark Fail to Salute?

Wes Clark won a war, but ran afoul of his Pentagon masters and lost his job. Here's how. A NEWSWEEK exclusiveBy Evan Thomas and T. Trent Gegax

NewsweekFeb. 2 issue - One of the most damning charges against retired Gen. Wesley Clark has also been the vaguest. After Clark entered the Democratic race last September, Gen. Hugh Shelton, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters that Clark had been sacked as commander of NATO forces after the 1999 Balkans war because of "integrity and character issues." Shelton has refused to comment further, and Clark's civilian boss, the then Defense Secretary William Cohen, has also remained silent.

The doubts raised by Clark's own bosses have cast an uneasy pall over his presidential candidacy. What really happened? According to a knowledgeable source, Clark ran afoul of Cohen and Shelton by being less than totally forthcoming in morning conference calls during the Kosovo war in the spring of 1999. From his NATO headquarters in Brussels, Clark wanted to wage the war more aggressively, but back in the Pentagon, Cohen and Shelton were more cautious. They would give Clark instructions on, for instance, the scale of the bombing campaign. "Clark would say, 'Uh-huh, gotcha'," says NEWSWEEK's source. But then he would pick up the phone and call [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair and [Secretary of State] Madeleine [Albright]." As Clark knew full well, Blair and Albright were more hawkish than Shelton and Cohen. After talking to the State Department and NATO allies, Clark would have a different set of marching orders, says the source, who has spoken about the matter with both Cohen and Clark. "Then, about 1 o'clock, the Defense Department would hear what Clark was up to, and Cohen and Shelton would be furious."

Was Clark going around them? Not really. As NATO commander, Clark told NEWSWEEK, "I wore two hats." He reported to Washington, but also to America's European allies. And within the U.S. government, he was within his authority to seek guidance from the State Department and certainly from the White House, as well as from his nominal bosses at the Pentagon.

"I was forthcoming," Clark insisted. "If [Cohen and Shelton] gave me an instruction, I did it. I would never have not done what they told me to do. But the truth is, they weren't in touch with the situation well enough to tell me everything to do. It's why you have the title supreme allied commander... The buck usually stopped on my desk... I had, by necessity, a certain independence. Yet no matter how many times I tried to bring Hugh Shelton and Washington to understand the allied side, it didn't compute. They just didn't see it." General Shelton, Clark's aides are quick to note, is now listed as an unpaid adviser to the John Edwards campaign. .• GOING FOR THE GOLD

The problem may have been partly a matter of Clark's tone and manner. As an ambitious officer, Clark gained a reputation among his peers for telling different people what they wanted to hear, without seeming to realize that his listeners might later compare notes and accuse Clark of being two-faced. Clark might have done better if he had adopted a more straightforward manner, perhaps leavened with a spot of humor. Consider, for instance, the approach used by Secretary of State Albright. When she first pushed to threaten force against the Serbs in Kosovo, a senior administration official exclaimed, "You people always want to bomb someone. It's some kind of orgasm." Albright silenced the men in the room by remarking, "I forget what an orgasm is."
© 2004 Newsweek, Inc.


I'd say that Shelton and Cohen lacked not only character and integrity, but also basic intelligence for thinking they were better informed on how to wage the day-to-day operations than the NATO Supreme Allied Commander who is engaged in the field of battle. We should all be thankful that Clark had the courage to pull rank and run a successful campaign rather than acceding to the Pentagon pussies.

[This message was edited by D2bets on January 25, 2004 at 04:52 PM.]
 

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d2 - In the military, especially at the highest level, if you ignore the chain of command and its policies (which were dictated by Pres. Clinton) and you do end-runs around it because you think you know better than your commanders and the President, then it is a sign of bad character and low integrity.

Talk to any military officer and they will explain it to you.
 

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I'm no military expert, but I don't think that Shelton and Cohen were Clark's commanders in this war -- after all, this was a NATO operation and Clark was the Supreme Allied Commander (Europe) of NATO. I don't think it was the job of the US Joint Chiefs to dictate how the NATO commander ran the NATO operation. I think that Shelton and Cohen were out of bounds in trying to command how to run the war. They could give their input but the ultimate call on how to operate the war was the job of the NATO SACEUR, Clark. I just think they're bitter that Clark didn't accede to their whims and the were embarrassed that Clark's vision was ultimately proven correct.
 

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I don't pretend to have much knowledge with regards to the military and the personel that compose it, but this paragragh pretty much sums up the article ..

"Was Clark going around them? Not really. As NATO commander, Clark told NEWSWEEK, "I wore two hats." He reported to Washington, but also to America's European allies. And within the U.S. government, he was within his authority to seek guidance from the State Department and certainly from the White House, as well as from his nominal bosses at the Pentagon. "

In other words - Clark did job and this Shelton clown had his precious little ego bruised. A bit feminine of Shelton if you ask me, but hey "don't ask/ don't tell."
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