These days , very hard for services to lie !! With the computer age - its not like the old days !!! They can't get away with the stuff they used to do !!!Hundreds of services out there, yet the ones that admit they got their ass kicked you can count on your fingers. That is the reason I will continue to back hsw. Some services don't give a shit win or lose cuz they already got your $$. Jr, the voice of hsw actually bets on these games. Wanna hear someone that got his a$$ handed to him just like the majority of us yesterday? Pretty refreshing actually. Good luck to everyone.