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Creeg, I'm sure you're not unfamiliar with the many people who don't perceive Jesus Christ as being any kind of divine personage.

Thus, to those folks, assigning him that attribute would be inventive.
 
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Two questions for atheists:

1) Why is there something (the universe) instead of nothing?

2) Who was Jesus?

1) Because the Big Bang occured; that is what created time and space, also known as space-time.

2) One of the many people in history who claimed to be the way, the truth and the light.
 

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1) Because the Big Bang occured; that is what created time and space, also known as space-time.

2) One of the many people in history who claimed to be the way, the truth and the light.

1) Doesn't the theory state that all the matter & energy was confined in a very small space and that the big bang caused it to expand out into what is our current universe? That is how I have heard it explained anyway. So, how did the very dense lump of matter & energy get there in the first place and how did the bang occur? What cause the random collection of gases and such to explode out and form planets, oceans, forests and Jennifer Aniston?

2) I agree many have claimed to be the truth, etc. But, how do you explain the miraculous life, death and resurrection of Jesus if he was just another kook claiming to be someone he wasn't?
 

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Creeg, I'm sure you're not unfamiliar with the many people who don't perceive Jesus Christ as being any kind of divine personage.

Thus, to those folks, assigning him that attribute would be inventive.

I understand that many people do not believe Jesus was divine. But, it sounded like Death was saying he was "invented". Not sure if he meant that Jesus was a myth, never even existed, etc. Or if he meant that Jesus walked the earth 2000 yrs ago but never did/said the stuff that was claimed about him.

His history is pretty well attested by both biblical and non-biblical sources. Unless you disregard all this evidence (which would mean you would have to throw out all history with less evidence like Julius Ceaser, Socrates, Plato, Alexander the Great, etc) you have to evaluate it somehow. What do you do with it?
 

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I understand that many people do not believe Jesus was divine. But, it sounded like Death was saying he was "invented". Not sure if he meant that Jesus was a myth, never even existed, etc. Or if he meant that Jesus walked the earth 2000 yrs ago but never did/said the stuff that was claimed about him.

His history is pretty well attested by both biblical and non-biblical sources. Unless you disregard all this evidence (which would mean you would have to throw out all history with less evidence like Julius Ceaser, Socrates, Plato, Alexander the Great, etc) you have to evaluate it somehow. What do you do with it?

What non-biblical source gives an account of Jesus' existence during his lifetime?
 

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There has been a lot of conjecture that Josephus is a fictional character invented by the Roman Catholic priest's because there was no writings about the life of Jesus anywhere close to his lifetime.
 

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There has been a lot of conjecture that Josephus is a fictional character invented by the Roman Catholic priest's because there was no writings about the life of Jesus anywhere close to his lifetime.

I guess you can believe that if you want to.

What about all the historians that wrote of the Greek, Roman, Egyptian and Persian empires? Where they all fictional characters? How far do you take it? What about the people that wrote about the American Revolution? How do we know it ever even happened?
 

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In normal people language...

Supposedly our entire universe was confined in a very small dense ball that blew up " big bang" and expanded outward and is expanding out into infinity.

The interesting thing is that they now believe it didn't all expand outward at the same rate of speed... It accelerated faster at first, even faster than the speed of light. This is now a topic for further discovery.

The non religious people believe that particles from space came to earth ( possibly from an asteroid) and landed in our oceans and that is where life began.

Possibly from single celled organisms evolving, or possibly from chemical reactions between stuff on earth and stuff from space...


So if you believe in god..
1) Does stuff from space creating chemical reactions or a chain reaction of single celled organisms disprove anything? Did god have to physically create people, or could he just create single cell organisms/chemical reactions that morphed all the way into people?

If you don't believe in god?
What was there before the big bang? Who created the rules of the universe? If the universe is ever expanding, what is on the other side of the part it is expanding to.. is there a limit...

Some people also believe that if the universe is expanding, that it will bounce back and contract.


Interesting indeed. I'll have to agree with Tiz though, in that the human race is truly clueless in unlocking the universe. Sometimes I wish I went for science instead of the money.
 

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I guess you can believe that if you want to.

What about all the historians that wrote of the Greek, Roman, Egyptian and Persian empires? Where they all fictional characters? How far do you take it? What about the people that wrote about the American Revolution? How do we know it ever even happened?

As far as the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians go, were there gods fictional?
 

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I guess you can believe that if you want to.

What about all the historians that wrote of the Greek, Roman, Egyptian and Persian empires? Where they all fictional characters? How far do you take it? What about the people that wrote about the American Revolution? How do we know it ever even happened?

They were as you said empires, large populations, lots of recorded history, ruins.

Without the new testament there is questionable to no evidence that a man named Jesus ever existed and the new testament is a hard case to defend.

The Jews nor the Muslims (who were around at that time) accept him.
 

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They were as you said empires, large populations, lots of recorded history, ruins.

Without the new testament there is questionable to no evidence that a man named Jesus ever existed and the new testament is a hard case to defend.

The Jews nor the Muslims (who were around at that time) accept him.


The Jews or the Christians accept Muhhammad
 
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1) Doesn't the theory state that all the matter & energy was confined in a very small space and that the big bang caused it to expand out into what is our current universe? That is how I have heard it explained anyway. So, how did the very dense lump of matter & energy get there in the first place and how did the bang occur? What cause the random collection of gases and such to explode out and form planets, oceans, forests and Jennifer Aniston?

2) I agree many have claimed to be the truth, etc. But, how do you explain the miraculous life, death and resurrection of Jesus if he was just another kook claiming to be someone he wasn't?

1) A fair question with an unknown answer; of course, you have to ask yourself how your God existed in the first place.

2) How do you know Jesus was resurrected? Any real scientific proof or just accepting the word of people who thought the earth was flat, that earthquakes were God getting angry, etc.?
 

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2) I agree many have claimed to be the truth, etc. But, how do you explain the miraculous life, death and resurrection of Jesus if he was just another kook claiming to be someone he wasn't?

Asked and Answered in my previous post. The vast majority of people on planet Earth either believe those accounts to be fiction and/or have no opinion on the matter.
 

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They were as you said empires, large populations, lots of recorded history, ruins.

Without the new testament there is questionable to no evidence that a man named Jesus ever existed and the new testament is a hard case to defend.

The Jews nor the Muslims (who were around at that time) accept him.

The NT has more copies, earlier copies than any other manuscripts from the ancient world. In addition, it was written as an eye witness account. when an eye-witness account is written, within the lifetime of those supposed eye-witnesses, it is much more compelling that a historical narrative written about events hundreds of years later by non eye-witnesses.

The number of copies, the length of time between the events and the earliest copies, and the accuracy of those copies are the criteria for analyzing ancient documents. It is very simple, if you cannot believe the NT, you cannot believe any of the other works from the ancient world. To do so would should bias of the most extreme kind.

There are over 20,000 pieces of manuscript evidence for the NT and most non-believers doubt its authenticy. Yet, there are less than 50 pieces of manuscript evidence for the writings of Plato yet no one doubts that what is written about him is authentic. Why is that?

Lastly, the muslims believe all the miracles attributed to Jesus in the NT but they do not believe he was the son of God and do not believe he was crucified. They do believe that he was a prophet and they put him on he same level as Moses. The jews do not believe he was the Messiah but they would never make a statement as ridiculous as "he never existed".
 

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Stack up the evidence for Jesus and the evidence for Zeus and, you tell me which is more compelling.

Ok but what about a God? Just as much evidence for Zues or Thor or many others.

Have you ever read Joseph Campbell's work?
 

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