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A good way to get the mind set that we did not evolve from apes would be to disassemble your television set, then wait around for thousands of years and see if it evolves back into a television set.

a blatantly false analogy.

Riddle me this: why do the mitochondria in your cells have DNA that doesn't do anything?

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What was the age of the first people that were formed?

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I don't understand the question.

I know that you guys want to believe that we evolved from apes.
Common Creationist misconception. Right up there with "It's only a theory" and "there are no transitionals".

I have never studied evolution and didn't pay attention in freshman biology. But seriously, since there was no life and then life had a beginning, what is the most likely scenario for how it played out?
Your second sentence has absolutely nothing to do with your first sentence. Evolution and Abiogenesis are two completely different fields of study. I am not aware that Darwin even had anything to say about the origins of life, but I could be wrong.

Now I have a questions for you. As a Catholic, how do you reconcile your non-belief in evolution with the fact that The Catholic Church's stance is a form of theistic evolution? I thought the Pope was supposed to be God's representative on Earth and was infallible?
 

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a blatantly false analogy.

Riddle me this: why do the mitochondria in your cells have DNA that doesn't do anything?

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It may have served a purpose at one time but no longer does. Mitochondrial DNA is passed only through females is because mitochondria is used for energy. The sperm cell uses up the mitochondria on its swim to fertilize the egg.

It's interesting to note that mitochondrial DNA and the DNA from the nucleus of the cell may have evolved separately. What some scientists think may have happened is that the cell absorbed mitochondria and used it as an energy source while the mitochondria was able to have protection by being within the cell walls. It was a symbiotic relationship. Therefore DNA that was once used as protection for mitochondria is no longer needed since the cell walls provide that purpose.
 

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It's interesting to note that mitochondrial DNA and the DNA from the nucleus of the cell may have evolved separately. What some scientists think may have happened is that the cell absorbed mitochondria and used it as an energy source while the mitochondria was able to have protection by being within the cell walls. It was a symbiotic relationship. Therefore DNA that was once used as protection for mitochondria is no longer needed since the cell walls provide that purpose.

Interesting Indeed.
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Just please don't tell Mike Sievers, he'll do unbiblical things with his banana.
 
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I don't understand the question.


Common Creationist misconception. Right up there with "It's only a theory" and "there are no transitionals".


Your second sentence has absolutely nothing to do with your first sentence. Evolution and Abiogenesis are two completely different fields of study. I am not aware that Darwin even had anything to say about the origins of life, but I could be wrong.

Now I have a questions for you. As a Catholic, how do you reconcile your non-belief in evolution with the fact that The Catholic Church's stance is a form of theistic evolution? I thought the Pope was supposed to be God's representative on Earth and was infallible?

He's not even close to being a Roman Catholic, idiot.

As a matter of fact, he thinks the Roman Catholic Church is a farce,
ask him.

idiot.
 
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Is Atomic Theory a religion? I'll agree as a species we really don't know a lot on a universal scale, but it's ok to say I don't know. The Faith based groups seem to have trouble accepting this fact.

When Dawkins was say an Alien race could have planted us here he was pointing out that theory is just as plausible as the creation stories from that Abraham religions

Um, Very big difference: atomic theory, which can be
observed in a lab, and is repeatable - one can apply the
scientific method to atomic theory.

The theory that man evolved from nothing over billions and zillions
of years, one time in the past is not repeatable in a lab, and one
cannot apply the scientific theory to it.
 

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I don't understand the question.


Common Creationist misconception. Right up there with "It's only a theory" and "there are no transitionals".


Your second sentence has absolutely nothing to do with your first sentence. Evolution and Abiogenesis are two completely different fields of study. I am not aware that Darwin even had anything to say about the origins of life, but I could be wrong.

Now I have a questions for you. As a Catholic, how do you reconcile your non-belief in evolution with the fact that The Catholic Church's stance is a form of theistic evolution? I thought the Pope was supposed to be God's representative on Earth and was infallible?
I'm not even remotely Catholic.
 

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I think it's telling that the thread starter has to qualify his post by indicating he's "a deep thinker". Followed up by questions based on incorrect assumptions.

If you're over the age of 14 and consider yourself a deep thinker, perhaps a textbook or even google might be a better place to start your search for answers, rather than a gambling forum.

Or, maybe, as we see all the time, it's not really an honest question. Just maybe, it's a "how can I use logic to disprove science" Kirk Cameron type question where any answer will never be good enough for those with faith.
I am a deep thinker on a spiritual and life experience level. I'm not a scientist, and never will be a scientist. I'm not searching for answers, just wondering about the thought processes of others that are different than myself.

To me, I doubt God all the time and he is very hidden. Anyone that claims that they never doubt is not really being honest. But I think for about 30 seconds, and I can come up with many reasons that absolutely tell me that there is a God. I can't even give any possibility, not even .000001% possibility that there isn't a supreme creator that supernaturally (magically) created the universe and everything in it. So knowing that those are my beliefs and that they are non-negotiable in my mind, I'm not going to study so-called experts in the field of science that say that everything has a natural answer. I know that's not possible for me to accept.

I know that you think you know me, even though I've said maybe 4 things to you on this forum about a tv personality, and that's the entirety of our dealings. Contrary to what you may perceive about me, I'm very accepting of people different than myself and have lots of friends where the subject of religion has never even come up. I also have some friends where it has come up, and they told me they are atheists. I certainly believe that they are wrong, but other than infrequent and brief discussions on the subject, it never comes up.

Being a Christian should not be intellectual suicide. It isn't meant to be. Many Christians don't think about anything on a deep level, including their faith. That is a tragedy. Being a Christian doesn't solve all of life's problems. It doesn't even make life any easier, really. In a lot of ways, it makes life more difficult. Because even though I know there is a God and have faith at some level that my God is the true God, I still doubt much of the time. God is obvious to me, but he is still hidden almost 100% of the time. When you have faith, and life's circumstances cause tension between your beliefs and your experiences, it is difficult to deal with. We as humans expect God to be a certain way, and when we find out that He isn't the way that we want him to be, it's difficult to accept. I suppose that an atheist has less trouble in his thought processes, because he has no expectations for the way that things should be. If everything is natural, there is nobody to blame, and no reason to be disappointed in situations that don't live up to expectations.
 

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I think it's telling that the thread starter has to qualify his post by indicating he's "a deep thinker". Followed up by questions based on incorrect assumptions.

If you're over the age of 14 and consider yourself a deep thinker, perhaps a textbook or even google might be a better place to start your search for answers, rather than a gambling forum.

Or, maybe, as we see all the time, it's not really an honest question. Just maybe, it's a "how can I use logic to disprove science" Kirk Cameron type question where any answer will never be good enough for those with faith.
One of my better friends on this forum is D2Bets. We hang out at the bash every year and usually meet up at a ballgame most years as well. He's an atheist, and we disagree on everything in politics as well. But just like with him, I'm sure DEAC, Robfunk, and anyone else that thinks my views are idiotic....we could all sit down in the sportsbook, drink some beers, and shoot the shit for hours about sports and life. Not all Christians are intellectual midgets with an agenda to tell everyone else that they are wrong.

But, Keith Olberman is still an idiot.
 

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Moron

A good way to get the mind set that we did not evolve from apes would be to disassemble your television set, then wait around for thousands of years and see if it evolves back into a television set.
 

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But just like with him, I'm sure DEAC, Robfunk, and anyone else that thinks my views are idiotic....we could all sit down in the sportsbook, drink some beers, and shoot the shit for hours about sports and life.

But, Keith Olberman is still an idiot.

All true.

I gave up wearing my non-belief on my sleeve years ago. In the real world, anyway.

Again, apologies for mistaking you for a Catholic. I remember our conversation about Catholics and Hell several months back but my memory put you on a different side of the debate.
 

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Two questions for atheists:

1) Why is there something (the universe) instead of nothing?

2) Who was Jesus?
 

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Two questions for atheists:

1) Why is there something (the universe) instead of nothing?

2) Who was Jesus?


1. I don't know. And I'm ok with that and feel no need to invent something to help it all make sense.

2. See #1.
 
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All true.

I gave up wearing my non-belief on my sleeve years ago. In the real world, anyway.

Again, apologies for mistaking you for a Catholic. I remember our conversation about Catholics and Hell several months back but my memory put you on a different side of the debate.

Nice to see a more amiable DEAC on here for a change.
 

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religion is a waste of time. it is for the gullible who think saying i love god everytime they fuck up they can go on in life without worrying about it.

typically its lonely people looking for a sense of belonging, solidarity. thats what the marketers of the church will get you on with the brochures and door to door talks.

massive organization involved. have one central point and flood out taking control of city by city
 

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Maybe this is the answer….. Reality TV

By Daren Butler

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - What happens when you put a Muslim imam, a Christian priest, a rabbi and a Buddhist monk in a room with 10 atheists?

Turkish television station Kanal T hopes the answer is a ratings success as it prepares to launch a gameshow where spiritual guides from the four faiths will seek to convert a group of non-believers.

The prize for converts will be a pilgrimage to a holy site of their chosen religion -- Mecca for Muslims, the Vatican for Christians, Jerusalem for Jews and Tibet for Buddhists.

But religious authorities in Muslim but secular Turkey are not amused by the twist on the popular reality game show format and the Religious Affairs Directorate is refusing to provide an imam for the show.

"Doing something like this for the sake of ratings is disrespectful to all religions. Religion should not be a subject for entertainment programs," High Board of Religious Affairs Chairman Hamza Aktan told state news agency Anatolian after news of the planned program emerged.

The makers of "Penitents Compete" are unrepentant and reject claims that the show, scheduled to begin broadcasting in September, will cheapen religion.

"We are giving the biggest prize in the world, the gift of belief in God," Kanal T chief executive Seyhan Soylu told Reuters.

"We don't approve of anyone being an atheist. God is great and it doesn't matter which religion you believe in. The important thing is to believe," Soylu said.

The project focuses attention on the issue of religious identity in European Union-candidate Turkey, where rights groups have raised concerns over freedom of religion for non-Muslim minorities.

Detractors of the ruling AK Party government, which is rooted in political Islam but officially secular, accuse it of having a hidden Islamist agenda, a charge it denies.

Some 200 people have so far applied to take part in the show and the 10 contestants will be chosen next month.

A team of theologians will ensure that the atheists are truly non-believers and are not just seeking fame or a free holiday. :103631605
 
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religion is a waste of time. it is for the gullible who think saying i love god everytime they fuck up they can go on in life without worrying about it.

typically its lonely people looking for a sense of belonging, solidarity. thats what the marketers of the church will get you on with the brochures and door to door talks.

massive organization involved. have one central point and flood out taking control of city by city

"religion is a waste of time"

Hmm. Though 9500 donkey posts on an online forum is real worthwhile.

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