That's ridiculous in a way, Fishhead - if gambling is the most important issue to you, fine, but it's certainly not to me. Doesn't mean I'm happy with that bill, but sure seems to me if Democrats didn't want it, we won't get it - and it's still no sure thing.
But in all honesty, gambling is one of the LEAST important issues I consider when voting - there are far more important issues. Does it piss me off? Sure it does. Does it control who I vote for, state-wide or nationally? No fuc-king chance.
May I add one other thought without pissing anyone off? This is a gambling forum, so naturally this is a hot issue, but trust and believe me, the majority of people out there have no idea whatsoever about this issue and couldn't give a tinker's damn whether any of us can gamble online.
But in all honesty, gambling is one of the LEAST important issues I consider when voting - there are far more important issues. Does it piss me off? Sure it does. Does it control who I vote for, state-wide or nationally? No fuc-king chance.
May I add one other thought without pissing anyone off? This is a gambling forum, so naturally this is a hot issue, but trust and believe me, the majority of people out there have no idea whatsoever about this issue and couldn't give a tinker's damn whether any of us can gamble online.
McClintock's got that convergent thing with his eyes. I have no idea where he is looking! That shit spooks me. It's like he's staring at his nose.
I feel sorry for anyone that "wins" that job because unless the general economy suddenyl turns around I doubt they'll just be able to magically balance the budget.
Kinda funny that the Repubs are crucifying Davis for what, a 15 bil deficit, while they think nothing of the 450 bil (give or take a 100 bil) deficit of the Fed Govt.
I feel sorry for anyone that "wins" that job because unless the general economy suddenyl turns around I doubt they'll just be able to magically balance the budget.
Kinda funny that the Repubs are crucifying Davis for what, a 15 bil deficit, while they think nothing of the 450 bil (give or take a 100 bil) deficit of the Fed Govt.
D2 - I have to laugh, Huffington did her level best to drag Bush into the California governor's election - I didn't realize he was running.
p.s. It isn't a question of Republicans - all parties are hammering Davis - and it's also not a question of federal government, is it? It's a state issue. Wait for 2004 and you can elect the General at that time.
p.s. It isn't a question of Republicans - all parties are hammering Davis - and it's also not a question of federal government, is it? It's a state issue. Wait for 2004 and you can elect the General at that time.
Isn't a big part of the reason for our budget problems due to the huge amount of money we spent on paying for power and rapidly upgrading and building new power plants? Lmao D2bets, you are so right about that. Then again, being a politician means not having to say your sorry for being hypocrites.
Jazz, yeah Huffington and Camejo both at times acted like they were running for national office. That's because they know they have no chance so they might as well express all of their views while they have a forum.
I have a feeling you, and many Republicans, will come around yet on General Clark and see the light. I'd say Clark is both more compassionate and conservative than Bush. Heck, his opponents are trying to accuse him of being a Republican. I just love the way Clark stands up for our right to criticize the President without being considered unpatriotic. Bush won't be able to wrap himself with the flag against the General.
I have a feeling you, and many Republicans, will come around yet on General Clark and see the light. I'd say Clark is both more compassionate and conservative than Bush. Heck, his opponents are trying to accuse him of being a Republican. I just love the way Clark stands up for our right to criticize the President without being considered unpatriotic. Bush won't be able to wrap himself with the flag against the General.
The day I would think highly enough of Clark to vote for him for dog-catcher, is the day you'll never see. I have no respect for him due to his actions when he was a general, but that's for another day and another topic in the political forum. Image and reality in this case are completely different.
As far as CA goes, I still see no reason not to pity the people there for the choices they have - then again, perhaps they are reaping the choices they deserve for their past choices.
I literally could not be paid to move to anywhere in CA, there is so much about their policies I find intransigently stupid - including this whole non-debate about giving admittedly ILLEGAL immigrants driver licenses and the right to have their children receive public education. Insane. Either change your immigration policies so they are not illegal, or enforce them - but to say with state approval that someone is 'legal' when they aren't is pathetic and mind-numbing sophistry of the worst kind. It is the baldest attempt I have ever seen at currying favor among Hispanic voters, and NO political party is immune from it.
As far as CA goes, I still see no reason not to pity the people there for the choices they have - then again, perhaps they are reaping the choices they deserve for their past choices.
I literally could not be paid to move to anywhere in CA, there is so much about their policies I find intransigently stupid - including this whole non-debate about giving admittedly ILLEGAL immigrants driver licenses and the right to have their children receive public education. Insane. Either change your immigration policies so they are not illegal, or enforce them - but to say with state approval that someone is 'legal' when they aren't is pathetic and mind-numbing sophistry of the worst kind. It is the baldest attempt I have ever seen at currying favor among Hispanic voters, and NO political party is immune from it.
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The day I would think highly enough of Clark to vote for him for dog-catcher, is the day you'll never see. I have no respect for him due to his actions when he was a general, but that's for another day and another topic in the political forum. Image and reality in this case are completely different.
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I suppose it's for another topic, but his actions as General were nothing but the highest level of service to this country both in terms of bravery and success. Stories out there to the contrary are nothing but personal smears perpetrated by those who do not want him elected (Republicans and maybe his opponents). I've seen them all and they've all been refuted. Purple hearts, bronze stars, silver stars and 4 stars are not given out like tokens.
You've probably heard of Col. David Hackworth. He previously called Clark a "perfurmed prince" but has since had the courage to admit that he was mistaken. You can read his 9-22-03 column at www.sftt.org.
The day I would think highly enough of Clark to vote for him for dog-catcher, is the day you'll never see. I have no respect for him due to his actions when he was a general, but that's for another day and another topic in the political forum. Image and reality in this case are completely different.
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I suppose it's for another topic, but his actions as General were nothing but the highest level of service to this country both in terms of bravery and success. Stories out there to the contrary are nothing but personal smears perpetrated by those who do not want him elected (Republicans and maybe his opponents). I've seen them all and they've all been refuted. Purple hearts, bronze stars, silver stars and 4 stars are not given out like tokens.
You've probably heard of Col. David Hackworth. He previously called Clark a "perfurmed prince" but has since had the courage to admit that he was mistaken. You can read his 9-22-03 column at www.sftt.org.
Horseshit, D2 - there are honest differences of opinion about Clark's performance, as there are Bush's, and just because Clark is the 'hot new guy' who will trample Dean is no reason to trumpet the second coming.
I could care less about Hackworth's opinion on anything. I'd also like to know how you could possibly have seen 'all smears' and know they were refuted - you are exaggerrating for effect, right? I'm not smearing the guy, I'm saying I have opinions about him that don't make me automatically pull the lever for him in any election whatsoever. IMHO, he's a perfect Clinton bureaucrat, and for those who like that kind of thing, great - but I don't.
Again, another day - and all of this talk simply distracts the topic from the issue at HAND - that of California and its admittedly pathetic state of affairs.
I could care less about Hackworth's opinion on anything. I'd also like to know how you could possibly have seen 'all smears' and know they were refuted - you are exaggerrating for effect, right? I'm not smearing the guy, I'm saying I have opinions about him that don't make me automatically pull the lever for him in any election whatsoever. IMHO, he's a perfect Clinton bureaucrat, and for those who like that kind of thing, great - but I don't.
Again, another day - and all of this talk simply distracts the topic from the issue at HAND - that of California and its admittedly pathetic state of affairs.
No, D2, you are assuming something another person would do, and that's something I as a conservative would never do for another person - I would not and will not vote for Clark. Yes, he 'served' the country for 34 years, but so have a lot of people you personally don't agree with - so what?
I find it odd that you insist on ignoring the California issues here - this topic is about the California election, not Clark and not Bush. At least I thought it was when I started it.
I find it odd that you insist on ignoring the California issues here - this topic is about the California election, not Clark and not Bush. At least I thought it was when I started it.
Yeah but neither of us care about Cahleeforneeah, now do we? That's fine you wouldn't vote for Clark, but again saying you don't respect him I thought was a little out of line. And I do "respect" those who served our contry who I might disagree with politically. Dubya just happens not to be one them though because he never did. His father is a different story. I did and do respect Sr. and I actually thought he was not that bad of a President. Dubya definitely did not inherit his daddy's diplomatic skills.
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Out of line? I'm now forced to respect someone because of _your_ perception of their service as opposed to mine?
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It has nothing to do with perception of service. It's actual service and it's undeniable --> Lt. Gen. James Hollingsworth, one of our Army's most distinguished war heroes, says: "Clark took a burst of AK fire, but didn't stop fighting. He stayed on the field till his mission was accomplished and his boys were safe. He was awarded the Silver Star and Purple Heart. And he earned 'em".
I'm not sure how any American could not repsect that.
Out of line? I'm now forced to respect someone because of _your_ perception of their service as opposed to mine?
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It has nothing to do with perception of service. It's actual service and it's undeniable --> Lt. Gen. James Hollingsworth, one of our Army's most distinguished war heroes, says: "Clark took a burst of AK fire, but didn't stop fighting. He stayed on the field till his mission was accomplished and his boys were safe. He was awarded the Silver Star and Purple Heart. And he earned 'em".
I'm not sure how any American could not repsect that.
For crying out loud, D2, I'm not a freshman debater in college - save it for them. I'm 47 years old, and old enough to know all the tangential arguments in politics. If you ask me do I respect that incident, the fact that he put his life on the line, SURE I do. If you ask me if I respect what he did in his role in NATO and as a political general, the answer is NO. If you ask me it's enough for me to look at his combat role and roll over on my belly in sheer admiration, hell no - just like it never bothered me what a total lack of military service Clinton performed for this country, though now I see it's fashionable for it to be trotted out as a show pony when it is convenient for the Democrats to try to defeat Bush on their party's admittedly perceived weakness on foreign policy issues. Vote Clark - he's a REAL MAN!
Back to California - I seriously don't know who's going to win there, but I know who I don't respect.
Back to California - I seriously don't know who's going to win there, but I know who I don't respect.
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Vote Clark - he's a REAL MAN!
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I'll quote you on that one Jazz. Why would I bother chatting with a feshman debater? Too easy, or hopeless. That's why I took you on. Still, you did say "I have no respect for the man due to...". Political disagreements should never eliminate respect for someone who has bravely served his country and fellow soldiers. Hmmm...I suppose maybe if he went on to be a mass murderer ala McVeigh or something. But not politics.
I sure as heck respect you though I disagree with your politics.
Vote Clark - he's a REAL MAN!
I'll quote you on that one Jazz. Why would I bother chatting with a feshman debater? Too easy, or hopeless. That's why I took you on. Still, you did say "I have no respect for the man due to...". Political disagreements should never eliminate respect for someone who has bravely served his country and fellow soldiers. Hmmm...I suppose maybe if he went on to be a mass murderer ala McVeigh or something. But not politics.
I sure as heck respect you though I disagree with your politics.
You're correct - I have no respect for Clark due to his posturing in NATO and as a political general under Clinton. I can respect what he did in service for his country without respecting him overall - correct? Or is this not allowed? Are there some rules I've not been given a copy of in politics?
Clark is not a no-brainer, and you've consistently ignored the topic you're posting these responses in. I have no problem enjoining you in another debate another time, but Clark has ZERO to do with California.
I'm far more interested in your opinion of illegal immigrants in CA and, more specifically, how pathetically all politicos seems to be pandering to the Hispanic vote there, ignoring fundamental law. IMHO, if you cannot trust the government to uphold the current law, then WTF makes anyone think they RESPECT any law???
Clark is not a no-brainer, and you've consistently ignored the topic you're posting these responses in. I have no problem enjoining you in another debate another time, but Clark has ZERO to do with California.
I'm far more interested in your opinion of illegal immigrants in CA and, more specifically, how pathetically all politicos seems to be pandering to the Hispanic vote there, ignoring fundamental law. IMHO, if you cannot trust the government to uphold the current law, then WTF makes anyone think they RESPECT any law???
Here's my opinion on that -- and one you won't hear from ANY of the candidates. The State needs to do one of two things: (1) Work harder to not allow illegals in and to search for and deport all illegals immediately, or (2) if you simply ignore their illegal status, then provide them with the basic services Americans need, health care and driving privileges for example. The fact is Cali does not do #1 because these illegals are a huge and integral part of Cali's economy and workforce. For the most part, they are not criminals, they are hard-working and they pay taxes. The government tacitly allows them to live and work there and do not deport them, but at the same time deny them basic rights and privileges. It's hypocritical, it's wrong and it unfairly creates a class of second-class citizenry.
