I think Rose belongs in the Hall ..yes...
Managing , no way... I think its a shame a guy could have the world by the balls and be the biggest A-hole....that really what makes me sick about him... Plus, I am against drug traffickers...
I will be the first one to say Rose was the all-time gamer...You just don't know how much I loved Rose back in the day...He was a big inspiration to me as a kid in the 70's...The reason I switch hit was because of Pete...not that kind of 'switch hitting'
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Managing , no way... I think its a shame a guy could have the world by the balls and be the biggest A-hole....that really what makes me sick about him... Plus, I am against drug traffickers...
I will be the first one to say Rose was the all-time gamer...You just don't know how much I loved Rose back in the day...He was a big inspiration to me as a kid in the 70's...The reason I switch hit was because of Pete...not that kind of 'switch hitting'
Games 3562 AB 14053 Hits 4256 2B 746 3B 135 HR 160 R 2165 RBI 1314 BB 1566 SB 198 BA .303 Slug .409
4256 HITS...... More than anyone who EVER played in the majors.
More than 150 games a year in each of 17 seasons. An all-time record.
3,562 GAMES PLAYED
500 or more games, at each of 5 different positions.
He played for 24 consecutive baseball seasons
How about a 44 game hitting streak !!!
Hall of Fame
4256 HITS...... More than anyone who EVER played in the majors.
More than 150 games a year in each of 17 seasons. An all-time record.
3,562 GAMES PLAYED
500 or more games, at each of 5 different positions.
He played for 24 consecutive baseball seasons
How about a 44 game hitting streak !!!
Hall of Fame
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ricklex:
HE MADE A MISTAKE, ALL PEOPLE DO. BOTTOM LINE HIS STATS SAY HE SHOULD BE IN THE HALL HANDS DOWN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Pete made several mistakes and hopefully he can show they are in the past. I am willing to forgive, allow a second chance and let him manage my team if he has a game plan ready.
HE MADE A MISTAKE, ALL PEOPLE DO. BOTTOM LINE HIS STATS SAY HE SHOULD BE IN THE HALL HANDS DOWN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Pete made several mistakes and hopefully he can show they are in the past. I am willing to forgive, allow a second chance and let him manage my team if he has a game plan ready.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The General:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He absolutely and completely ruined the integrity of the game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As many players are doing today & before, just not caught in their deeds.
Pete Rose deserves the Hall of Fame & the right to manage if he chooses.
Which players said F*** the fans & let's strike? Pete would not have been for that. He would have wanted to play for the fans I think.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He absolutely and completely ruined the integrity of the game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As many players are doing today & before, just not caught in their deeds.
Pete Rose deserves the Hall of Fame & the right to manage if he chooses.
Which players said F*** the fans & let's strike? Pete would not have been for that. He would have wanted to play for the fans I think.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
what makes me laugh is all the "outrage" at his recent admission. I mean, come on- who didn't think he was guilty of the "crime" all along? He was definitely a hall of fame caliber player, and should be elected based upon that and that only. Otherwise get rid of all the scum in there already.
Cincinnati — Pete Rose doesn't want to give up gambling. He's also drawing the line on apologies.
Fourteen years after his gambling disorder was diagnosed, baseball's banished career hits leader is seeking reinstatement while continuing to wager. Rose insists in his latest autobiography and accompanying interviews this week that there's no reason to quit.
An expert doubts that Rose has cured himself.
"It certainly can happen," said Keith Whyte, executive director of the National Council on Problem Gambling. "It's probably a little more prevalent than the Immaculate Conception, but not a lot."
Major league baseball is paying close attention as Rose makes rounds of interviews and appearances to promote his latest autobiography. In My Prison Without Bars, Rose acknowledges publicly for the first time that he bet on Cincinnati Reds games when he was their manager.
The book doesn't mention the diagnosis that he has a significant gambling disorder, and attacks those who brought his misdeeds to light, resulting in his lifetime ban in 1989.
Asked Friday on Good Morning America whether he owes an apology to baseball investigator John Dowd and former commissioner Fay Vincent, Rose said emphatically that he did not. Dowd uncovered evidence that Rose had bet on baseball.
"I don't think it was fair, the way he came to his conclusions," Rose said. "The end result — he was right. But I just didn't like the way he went about it."
Vincent didn't have a problem with that, saying: "He doesn't owe me an apology. He doesn't owe me anything."
Rose's continued gambling brought concern and criticism on Friday.
Barbara Pinzka, who was Rose's adviser and spokeswoman in 1989, was stunned to see Rose petting a race horse and talking about his visits to the track in a nationally televised interview the previous night.
"Seeing those pictures of him with the horse and having him say he's still betting at the track and that was OK, that just cemented the door against him getting back in baseball," Pinzka said. "He clearly doesn't understand that he has a problem."
Rose promised that he won't bet with bookmakers again, but drew a distinction between illegal gambling and going to the track. In an interview with The Associated Press, he was asked whether he's willing to stay away from tracks and casinos if baseball made it a condition for reinstatement.
"I would do anything they say, but they have to understand — I'm not telling them what to do — but they also have to understand one of my means of entertainment is periodically going to the races," Rose said.
Associates have urged him over the years to give up gambling completely to improve appearances and his chances of reinstatement.
After Rose accepted the lifetime ban in 1989, his lawyer ordered him to get treatment for gambling. Rose met a few times with Dr. James Hillard, currently chairman of the department of psychiatry at the University of Cincinnati.
"Pete and I have concluded that he does, in fact, suffer from a clinically significant gambling disorder," Hillard said, in a statement released by Rose's advisers at the time. "He has concluded that he is powerless before gambling, that he will begin an ongoing treatment program and that he can never gamble on anything again."
Pinzka said she and others worked for Rose on the condition that he continued seeing a psychiatrist. He also went to several Gamblers Anonymous meetings.
After Rose completed his jail sentence for tax crimes in 1991, he talked about how he had little in common with other gamblers and regretted saying he had a gambling problem. Hillard's diagnosis isn't mentioned in the autobiography, and his name is misspelled throughout.
Hillard declined to comment, citing doctor-patient confidentiality.
Although Rose acknowledged some details of his betting for the first time this week, he hasn't come across as a reformed gambler who has his life in order, Whyte said.
"I think that's too bad," Whyte said. "Whether or not he's in recovery now, I don't know. But it doesn't look like he's having the time of his life."
Vincent said that as long as Rose gambles anywhere, reinstatement would be a risk for baseball.
"I think that would be a suicidal step for baseball," Vincent said. "I think it would be critically important to make sure from someone professional that he would be able to control his impulses. I think it's unlikely Bud will ever reinstate him to manage."
One of his former bookmakers agreed. Ron Peters reiterated to the Dayton Daily News that Rose placed bets from the manager's office and at least once over the dugout phone. Rose had denied placing bets from the manager's office.
"He is saying just enough to get what he wants, reinstatement and the Hall of Fame," Peters told the paper in an article published Friday.
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Fourteen years after his gambling disorder was diagnosed, baseball's banished career hits leader is seeking reinstatement while continuing to wager. Rose insists in his latest autobiography and accompanying interviews this week that there's no reason to quit.
An expert doubts that Rose has cured himself.
"It certainly can happen," said Keith Whyte, executive director of the National Council on Problem Gambling. "It's probably a little more prevalent than the Immaculate Conception, but not a lot."
Major league baseball is paying close attention as Rose makes rounds of interviews and appearances to promote his latest autobiography. In My Prison Without Bars, Rose acknowledges publicly for the first time that he bet on Cincinnati Reds games when he was their manager.
The book doesn't mention the diagnosis that he has a significant gambling disorder, and attacks those who brought his misdeeds to light, resulting in his lifetime ban in 1989.
Asked Friday on Good Morning America whether he owes an apology to baseball investigator John Dowd and former commissioner Fay Vincent, Rose said emphatically that he did not. Dowd uncovered evidence that Rose had bet on baseball.
"I don't think it was fair, the way he came to his conclusions," Rose said. "The end result — he was right. But I just didn't like the way he went about it."
Vincent didn't have a problem with that, saying: "He doesn't owe me an apology. He doesn't owe me anything."
Rose's continued gambling brought concern and criticism on Friday.
Barbara Pinzka, who was Rose's adviser and spokeswoman in 1989, was stunned to see Rose petting a race horse and talking about his visits to the track in a nationally televised interview the previous night.
"Seeing those pictures of him with the horse and having him say he's still betting at the track and that was OK, that just cemented the door against him getting back in baseball," Pinzka said. "He clearly doesn't understand that he has a problem."
Rose promised that he won't bet with bookmakers again, but drew a distinction between illegal gambling and going to the track. In an interview with The Associated Press, he was asked whether he's willing to stay away from tracks and casinos if baseball made it a condition for reinstatement.
"I would do anything they say, but they have to understand — I'm not telling them what to do — but they also have to understand one of my means of entertainment is periodically going to the races," Rose said.
Associates have urged him over the years to give up gambling completely to improve appearances and his chances of reinstatement.
After Rose accepted the lifetime ban in 1989, his lawyer ordered him to get treatment for gambling. Rose met a few times with Dr. James Hillard, currently chairman of the department of psychiatry at the University of Cincinnati.
"Pete and I have concluded that he does, in fact, suffer from a clinically significant gambling disorder," Hillard said, in a statement released by Rose's advisers at the time. "He has concluded that he is powerless before gambling, that he will begin an ongoing treatment program and that he can never gamble on anything again."
Pinzka said she and others worked for Rose on the condition that he continued seeing a psychiatrist. He also went to several Gamblers Anonymous meetings.
After Rose completed his jail sentence for tax crimes in 1991, he talked about how he had little in common with other gamblers and regretted saying he had a gambling problem. Hillard's diagnosis isn't mentioned in the autobiography, and his name is misspelled throughout.
Hillard declined to comment, citing doctor-patient confidentiality.
Although Rose acknowledged some details of his betting for the first time this week, he hasn't come across as a reformed gambler who has his life in order, Whyte said.
"I think that's too bad," Whyte said. "Whether or not he's in recovery now, I don't know. But it doesn't look like he's having the time of his life."
Vincent said that as long as Rose gambles anywhere, reinstatement would be a risk for baseball.
"I think that would be a suicidal step for baseball," Vincent said. "I think it would be critically important to make sure from someone professional that he would be able to control his impulses. I think it's unlikely Bud will ever reinstate him to manage."
One of his former bookmakers agreed. Ron Peters reiterated to the Dayton Daily News that Rose placed bets from the manager's office and at least once over the dugout phone. Rose had denied placing bets from the manager's office.
"He is saying just enough to get what he wants, reinstatement and the Hall of Fame," Peters told the paper in an article published Friday.
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You & Rose must have been roommates @ that Federal pen he was in, you sure as hell didn`t meet in school. He should be in jail for felonious stupidity , you`re as bad. You can shoot up in the bullpen, screw a 10 yr old on the mound damn near anythng, but you DON`T GAMBLE, the one inviolate rule. Now what part of that don`t you and the boy genius understand? I don`t give a shit if he had 10,000 hits he blew it, he`s out simple as that no 2nd`s you gamble you`re out. Both of you quit whining. And he still lies whenever he opens his mouth
