You have to be very careful using a book like rio, or anyother that uses the same software such as Royal and Betjamaica. Witht hier new software, before the computer will accept the wager, your wager gets routed to thier linesmen, who then have the option of accepting the wager, or changing the line on you. It would appear that Rio is taking full advantage of tis "upgrade". I thin the Judge has offered the best advice. Try calling in your bets. If they fade you over the phone, than it is time to withdraw your funds and move on.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by marc:
You have to be very careful using a book like rio, or anyother that uses the same software such as Royal and Betjamaica. Witht hier new software, before the computer will accept the wager, your wager gets routed to thier linesmen, who then have the option of accepting the wager, or changing the line on you. It would appear that Rio is taking full advantage of tis "upgrade". I thin the Judge has offered the best advice. Try calling in your bets. If they fade you over the phone, than it is time to withdraw your funds and move on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Upon closer inspection, it also looks like they're dealing dual lines, as mine are different after I log in, than what they are before I log in.
Given this and the other factors already mentioned, it's damn tough to get a bet in at a decent number there (at least for baseball it is).
You have to be very careful using a book like rio, or anyother that uses the same software such as Royal and Betjamaica. Witht hier new software, before the computer will accept the wager, your wager gets routed to thier linesmen, who then have the option of accepting the wager, or changing the line on you. It would appear that Rio is taking full advantage of tis "upgrade". I thin the Judge has offered the best advice. Try calling in your bets. If they fade you over the phone, than it is time to withdraw your funds and move on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Upon closer inspection, it also looks like they're dealing dual lines, as mine are different after I log in, than what they are before I log in.
Given this and the other factors already mentioned, it's damn tough to get a bet in at a decent number there (at least for baseball it is).
Happens at almost all offshore books. Lines move all the time. For me the worse book was Royal not there any longer though. Pinnacle gets me fairly often also, as does CRIS. I dont think it is not honoring bets as much as a timing thing. Using a Don Best screen with call centers is the same way, you see a number on the screen only to get a different one seconds later when speaking with clerk who says the line just changed.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moonlight Graham:
Happens at almost all offshore books. I dont think it is not honoring bets as much as a timing thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, it doesn't .... and .... no, it's not.
Guys like neilm, lakerfan, marc, myself, and others have been around long enough to know the difference between (1) moving on action, and (2) moving a number because you bet into a good number that they'd rather not give you.
Happens at almost all offshore books. I dont think it is not honoring bets as much as a timing thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, it doesn't .... and .... no, it's not.
Guys like neilm, lakerfan, marc, myself, and others have been around long enough to know the difference between (1) moving on action, and (2) moving a number because you bet into a good number that they'd rather not give you.
Anyone remember Ivan's first thread "Pinnacle is sliding down hill"?
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NEWBIE
posted June 06, 2004 03:33 PM
I have noticed sevral times that when I put a bet in it says line had changed. I know it has not. I think that they just want to see what your looking to bet. I changed accounts I never got the line changed message, then about a week later it started again. And to prove my point even further I have made bets very early in the morning when it is dead as can be. I know you don't to have to worry about there money, but you have to worry about them accepting the bet and going out and betting. To me the best book hands down is CRIS. They pay, good clerks and do not bet.
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wil.
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NEWBIE
posted June 06, 2004 03:33 PM
I have noticed sevral times that when I put a bet in it says line had changed. I know it has not. I think that they just want to see what your looking to bet. I changed accounts I never got the line changed message, then about a week later it started again. And to prove my point even further I have made bets very early in the morning when it is dead as can be. I know you don't to have to worry about there money, but you have to worry about them accepting the bet and going out and betting. To me the best book hands down is CRIS. They pay, good clerks and do not bet.
Posts: 33 | Registered: June 03, 2004
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wil.
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NEWBIE
posted June 26, 2004 04:16 PM
some of you should make sure you got some lube for your wife, just in case pinnacle calls and wants a piece of your wife. After they are done, it will be like throwing a aluminum bat in a empty garage. I am sure some of you guys will post about how much your wife liked it. "Pinnacle a great book with great lines and they can satisfy your wife for you." This has to be one of the dumbest topics on hear.
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NEWBIE
posted June 26, 2004 04:16 PM
some of you should make sure you got some lube for your wife, just in case pinnacle calls and wants a piece of your wife. After they are done, it will be like throwing a aluminum bat in a empty garage. I am sure some of you guys will post about how much your wife liked it. "Pinnacle a great book with great lines and they can satisfy your wife for you." This has to be one of the dumbest topics on hear.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>me) lol, ok ill take it at -182 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
GS - why not ask the clerk to have the tape listened to? He read you -180 then there is no way you need to lay -182. This is very common practice with any call center. Now if the clerk reads a line then says hold on - game 210 is changing that would be different.
wil.
GS - why not ask the clerk to have the tape listened to? He read you -180 then there is no way you need to lay -182. This is very common practice with any call center. Now if the clerk reads a line then says hold on - game 210 is changing that would be different.
wil.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gamblingshark:
phone call to skybook:
me) what is the line on sf,ariz?
clerk) sf -180
me) give me the balance on sf
clerk) ok,thats the balance on sf at -182
me) lol, you just said -180
clerk) apparently it just changed when i put it in
me) lol, ok ill take it at -182<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
True story or are you being sarcastic ?
Weak shit if it's true.
phone call to skybook:
me) what is the line on sf,ariz?
clerk) sf -180
me) give me the balance on sf
clerk) ok,thats the balance on sf at -182
me) lol, you just said -180
clerk) apparently it just changed when i put it in
me) lol, ok ill take it at -182<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
True story or are you being sarcastic ?
Weak shit if it's true.
Gambling shark and Frankie must have only one out. It is really funny that you guys think that these outs actually sit down and have a seminar when guys make a bet and then decide to move the line against them. Lines go against me every single day with every out on the Don best screen including rio, pinny, holly, etc. Do I think that these outs actually sit down and discuss moving the lines against me? What joke. The consipiracy theory against these outs including all of the statements about how the casinos are rigged are comical. I personally know the owners of 5 of the don best screen outs including rio, and i know for a fact that there is zero chance that they purposely move the lines against gamblers. The fact that you guys even think that they would collude against you like that is hilarious. All I know is that the lines have changed in my favor at Rio, Pinnacle, Holly, etc. plenty of times. Your problem is that you forget those times and accentuate only the negative. If you think that your outs are changing the lines against you, then you should play elsewhere. I personally dont beleive that a single out on the don best screen would engage in that activity. For you guys to think differently illustrates your ignorance.
teaser guru,,wow, you got all that out of one simple phone call I had to skybook? Your problem is that you are looking for a problem. lol. Did I have a problem laying the -182? NO. The fact is they changed the line during the phone call and Ive never ran into that anywhere, ever, especially when the line on both teams is asked for. Wil had the simple solution to the simple problem. I hope you are better at teasers than you are at reading between the lines. No pun intended.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gamblingshark:
teaser guru,,wow, you got all that out of one simple phone call I had to skybook? Your problem is that you are looking for a problem. lol. Did I have a problem laying the -182? NO. The fact is they changed the line during the phone call and Ive never ran into that anywhere, ever, especially when the line on both teams is asked for. Wil had the simple solution to the simple problem. I hope you are better at teasers than you are at reading between the lines. No pun intended.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gambling, all I am saying is that I am friendly with several owners including the owner of Don BEst. Dana would not allow a book to purposely continue that type of behavior. I will guarantee you that if you asked for a manager that they would listen to the tape and honor the initial line that you were quoted. I, as a fellow gambler, (and a horrible teaser player to boot) would not stand for what happend to you. I am actually on your side here believe it or not. All I am really saying is that the Don best books that i deal with including Rio would not allow a clerk to change a line on you. they all have more integrity than guys on the forums give them credit for. I am sure you are a good guy, and you deserve to have your lines honored. I hope that I can get a little better at teasers BTW. I could use a good football season.
teaser guru,,wow, you got all that out of one simple phone call I had to skybook? Your problem is that you are looking for a problem. lol. Did I have a problem laying the -182? NO. The fact is they changed the line during the phone call and Ive never ran into that anywhere, ever, especially when the line on both teams is asked for. Wil had the simple solution to the simple problem. I hope you are better at teasers than you are at reading between the lines. No pun intended.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gambling, all I am saying is that I am friendly with several owners including the owner of Don BEst. Dana would not allow a book to purposely continue that type of behavior. I will guarantee you that if you asked for a manager that they would listen to the tape and honor the initial line that you were quoted. I, as a fellow gambler, (and a horrible teaser player to boot) would not stand for what happend to you. I am actually on your side here believe it or not. All I am really saying is that the Don best books that i deal with including Rio would not allow a clerk to change a line on you. they all have more integrity than guys on the forums give them credit for. I am sure you are a good guy, and you deserve to have your lines honored. I hope that I can get a little better at teasers BTW. I could use a good football season.
Dana would not allow a book to purposely continue that type of behavior???????
Teaser my man if you are what you say you are then you KNOW FOR A FACT Dana does not give a flying shit about anyone else except his pocket. Oly and pin use a fake line on the screen to set up numbers for themselves every single day. They and they only control the screen.
Rio has done this line move thing to me and a few people I know on more then one occasion and just to prove the point I would go to a bet I did not want and bet it but not confirm the last page. The line moved without me actually confirming it. A few minutes later after they realized I did not go through the final step they moved the line back. I sat there with three guys and proved it to them one night. It was histerical.
Teaser my man if you are what you say you are then you KNOW FOR A FACT Dana does not give a flying shit about anyone else except his pocket. Oly and pin use a fake line on the screen to set up numbers for themselves every single day. They and they only control the screen.
Rio has done this line move thing to me and a few people I know on more then one occasion and just to prove the point I would go to a bet I did not want and bet it but not confirm the last page. The line moved without me actually confirming it. A few minutes later after they realized I did not go through the final step they moved the line back. I sat there with three guys and proved it to them one night. It was histerical.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frankie5angels:
Dana would not allow a book to purposely continue that type of behavior???????
Teaser my man if you are what you say you are then you KNOW FOR A FACT Dana does not give a flying shit about anyone else except his pocket. Oly and pin use a fake line on the screen to set up numbers for themselves every single day. They and they only control the screen.
Rio has done this line move thing to me and a few people I know on more then one occasion and just to prove the point I would go to a bet I did not want and bet it but not confirm the last page. The line moved without me actually confirming it. A few minutes later after they realized I did not go through the final step they moved the line back. I sat there with three guys and proved it to them one night. It was histerical.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It has never happened to me. Maybe because I haven't won since the 80's.
Dana would not allow a book to purposely continue that type of behavior???????
Teaser my man if you are what you say you are then you KNOW FOR A FACT Dana does not give a flying shit about anyone else except his pocket. Oly and pin use a fake line on the screen to set up numbers for themselves every single day. They and they only control the screen.
Rio has done this line move thing to me and a few people I know on more then one occasion and just to prove the point I would go to a bet I did not want and bet it but not confirm the last page. The line moved without me actually confirming it. A few minutes later after they realized I did not go through the final step they moved the line back. I sat there with three guys and proved it to them one night. It was histerical.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It has never happened to me. Maybe because I haven't won since the 80's.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gamblingshark:
phone call to skybook:
me) what is the line on sf,ariz?
clerk) sf -180
me) give me the balance on sf
clerk) ok,thats the balance on sf at -182
me) lol, you just said -180
clerk) apparently it just changed when i put it in
me) lol, ok ill take it at -182<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If this is happening I will say play at another shop. Being giving a line and then having it changed once you have told the clerk your wager.... this practice is a joke.
[This message was edited by Moon88 on July 09, 2004 at 08:40 AM.]
phone call to skybook:
me) what is the line on sf,ariz?
clerk) sf -180
me) give me the balance on sf
clerk) ok,thats the balance on sf at -182
me) lol, you just said -180
clerk) apparently it just changed when i put it in
me) lol, ok ill take it at -182<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If this is happening I will say play at another shop. Being giving a line and then having it changed once you have told the clerk your wager.... this practice is a joke.
[This message was edited by Moon88 on July 09, 2004 at 08:40 AM.]
