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Jonathan Martin - September 18, 2008

Obama spokesman Bill Burton, in the course of noting McCain's flip-flop on the matter, lets slip that his boss backs the Fed's $85 billion bailout of insurance giant AIG:
“Considering the fact that John McCain flatly opposed the bailout of AIG a day before he changed course and supported it, we’re not sure why on earth the McCain campaign wants to have a debate about economic indecision. Barack Obama does not second guess the Fed’s decision to take unprecedented action to prevent the failure of one of the largest insurance companies in the world from creating an even larger crisis, and he believes it must protect families who count on insurance." :howdy:

Dave can you answer the question for me in Post #18? Romanowski cant or doesnt know the answer.. Just looking for an A or B answer...
 

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I don't agree with bailing out these companies. I say let them fail and deal with the consequences. To me it is like just putting a band aid on the problem. That is what capitalism is all about I thought.

I agree with you...weird...
 

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Romo is correct. Congress (dominated by Pugglies, what 6 of the last 8 years) has some serious failures here. No oversight, basically watching the foxes raid the henhouses.

Both parties are to blame. Both should be shown the exit door too.

Folks, the Gov'y got a sweet deal in this bailout. They now are the top dawg (always have been pretty much) in the subprime sweepstakes.

AIG doesn't make it's payments, the gov't sells off their assets.

11% is pretty sweet for most folks except a pawnbroker.
 

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Dave can you answer the question for me in Post #18? Romanowski cant or doesnt know the answer.. Just looking for an A or B answer...

That’s a trick question. Both parties are dancing to the same beat. All I can tell you is as individuals McCain said no while BO said yes to the bailout. Take it for what it’s worth.
 

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That’s a trick question. Both parties are dancing to the same beat. All I can tell you is as individuals McCain said no while BO said yes to the bailout. Take it for what it’s worth.

Thats not a trick question.. What is so hard about it? Are you just having a hard time admitting reality?
 

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Can you just answer my SIMPLE Question

Which Party is MORE Pro-Bank, Deregulation, Free Reign for Big Business?


A. Democrat or B. Republican

Just A or B man thats it... Just answer this question honestly if you can..

Don't mean to interject on behalf of anyone, but your question is loaded and misleading. You're implying that since the Republican party ostensibly supports deregulation and free market, that said party is somehow more responsible for the current predicament than the Dems. This is shortsighted and incorrect.

First of all, you are erroneously assuming that being pro-deregulation and pro-free market is what caused the current crisis. Second, greater government regulation and oversight will not solve the problem. Third, Dems are no more pro-government than Repubs are, at least in their current incarnation.

I could expound on any of the above points upon a good-faith request.
 

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Don't mean to interject on behalf of anyone, but your question is loaded and misleading. You're implying that since the Republican party ostensibly supports deregulation and free market, that said party is somehow more responsible for the current predicament than the Dems. This is shortsighted and incorrect.

First of all, you are erroneously assuming that being pro-deregulation and pro-free market is what caused the current crisis. Second, greater government regulation and oversight will not solve the problem. Third, Dems are no more pro-government than Repubs are, at least in their current incarnation.

I could expound on any of the above points upon a good-faith request.

uh oh
 

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Don't mean to interject on behalf of anyone, but your question is loaded and misleading. You're implying that since the Republican party ostensibly supports deregulation and free market, that said party is somehow more responsible for the current predicament than the Dems. This is shortsighted and incorrect.

First of all, you are erroneously assuming that being pro-deregulation and pro-free market is what caused the current crisis. Second, greater government regulation and oversight will not solve the problem. Third, Dems are no more pro-government than Repubs are, at least in their current incarnation.

I could expound on any of the above points upon a good-faith request.

Well said and if you’re expecting a rational debate from Sweety don’t hold your breath, it ain’t going to happen. :thumbsup:
 

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The big lie regarding this matter is that it was all the fault of the free market. The talking point, coming from both McCain and Obama, is that the greedy bastards at Wall Street did it. It's easy and politically convenient to blame "Wall Street" whenever something goes wrong, and certainly they share part of the blame, but this misses the root of the problem. The problem was never the free market.

You may ask yourself why were so many of these big, elite banks willing to give out these highly risky, ill-advised loans to a subprime community that had no business owning homes? Answer: because they could simply sell these mortgage loans to Fannie & Freddie the next day in the form of MBS (Mortgage-Backed Securities).

You may then ask, why were these elite corporate moguls at Fannie & Freddie willing to buy such crappy packages? Answer: because they have always been government-supported (they had "implicit" government backing, which is quite an understatement) and knew that if everything went south, the government would bail them out with taxpayers' money.

What we have above isn't the "free market" at work. Rather, it is a gross socialistic distortion of the free market via aggressive government intervention, both in terms of financial backing and policymaking.

After all, it was the government that interjected itself into the market and pressured the financial companies to give out risky loans to subprime borrowers, under the ideological feel-good mantra that even the poorest people and those with virtually nonexistent credit ratings deserved to own homes. The Clinton administration supported it via the Community Redevelopment Act, and the Bush administration perpetuated it. This governmental policy pressured the financial companies to handing out foolish, high-risk loans at lower interest rates, and it certainly didn't help that companies like Freddie & Fannie were essentially playing with taxpayers' money, counting on a bailout.

This isn't a Republican or Democratic problem. This is a government problem. Both parties supported and tried to take credit for these governmental interventionist policies when things appeared to be working well. Now that things are looking less rosy, the government tries to divert the blame for their own foolish policies and attempts to use the situation to justify even more governmental involvement.

I am in no way absolving the financial institutions of their share of the blame, nor am I absolving the irresponsible subprime borrowers for pouncing on an opportunity to buy a home they should've known they couldn't afford, but the government - along with both the Democrats and the Republicans - was the catalyst behind the entire problem, by distorting the free market and propagating an unsustainable policy of foolish lending, artificially low interest rates, and the implicit promise of a bailout.
 

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Taxpayers Bailout AIG to the tune of $85 BILLION.


So I dont understand this..

QUESTION:

For all You Republicans: When a big business mismanages their money and screws up its OK for the taxpayers to foot the bill??

But if an American Citizen can't buy food for their families and they need money thats Not OK???

You support the Government taking over these failing private Businesses, but on the Other hand.. Government has no place in private business?? It just doesnt make sense to me..

I agree with you. They should let these places drop dead along with the thieving employees who defrauded customers so they could make huge commissions and bonuses.

But remember, Obama and Dodd got some of the biggest moneys from these crooks..................

The thieving brokers should be left out of work so they can go to a food line, the bunch of dirtbags that they are.
 

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The big lie regarding this matter is that it was all the fault of the free market. The talking point, coming from both McCain and Obama, is that the greedy bastards at Wall Street did it. It's easy and politically convenient to blame "Wall Street" whenever something goes wrong, and certainly they share part of the blame, but this misses the root of the problem. The problem was never the free market.

You may ask yourself why were so many of these big, elite banks willing to give out these highly risky, ill-advised loans to a subprime community that had no business owning homes? Answer: because they could simply sell these mortgage loans to Fannie & Freddie the next day in the form of MBS (Mortgage-Backed Securities).

You may then ask, why were these elite corporate moguls at Fannie & Freddie willing to buy such crappy packages? Answer: because they have always been government-supported (they had "implicit" government backing, which is quite an understatement) and knew that if everything went south, the government would bail them out with taxpayers' money.

What we have above isn't the "free market" at work. Rather, it is a gross socialistic distortion of the free market via aggressive government intervention, both in terms of financial backing and policymaking.

After all, it was the government that interjected itself into the market and pressured the financial companies to give out risky loans to subprime borrowers, under the ideological feel-good mantra that even the poorest people and those with virtually nonexistent credit ratings deserved to own homes. The Clinton administration supported it via the Community Redevelopment Act, and the Bush administration perpetuated it. This governmental policy pressured the financial companies to handing out foolish, high-risk loans at lower interest rates, and it certainly didn't help that companies like Freddie & Fannie were essentially playing with taxpayers' money, counting on a bailout.

This isn't a Republican or Democratic problem. This is a government problem. Both parties supported and tried to take credit for these governmental interventionist policies when things appeared to be working well. Now that things are looking less rosy, the government tries to divert the blame for their own foolish policies and attempts to use the situation to justify even more governmental involvement.

I am in no way absolving the financial institutions of their share of the blame, nor am I absolving the irresponsible subprime borrowers for pouncing on an opportunity to buy a home they should've known they couldn't afford, but the government - along with both the Democrats and the Republicans - was the catalyst behind the entire problem, by distorting the free market and propagating an unsustainable policy of foolish lending, artificially low interest rates, and the implicit promise of a bailout.

please go into other threads and use your "voice of reason" some more. finally something worth reading.
 

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Nan nan nan nan….. Yes it is :kissingbb

Give Kudos to Willy for being a man and standing up and admitting that the answer was B the Republican party is MORE Pro-Bank, Deregulation, Free Reign for Big Business..

Just cuz you dont have any Balls at least one person from your party does.
 

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