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I wasn't suggesting you should be ashamed of it, if it works for you that's all that matters. It's your money.


No I knwo what you are saying. I understood completely, no hard feelings. The 2 I follow are the best and most feared touts out there.
 

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Lets clear this up a bit.

i am a tout i get 20 customers the patriots are playing the jets.i give 10 guys the patriots and 10 guys the jets this way the 10 guys who had the winner will call back while the 10 suckers who bet the jets will just go away and you replace them with 10 new suckers.this is what all touts do.

Nothing could be further from the truth. And I mean nothing.

1. This statment assumes that because someone got a winner they will be happy and pay you or pay you more. 90 percent of the time, you either never hear from them again or when you call m up they say, I just watched the game, I didn't bet it, I just wanted to see what you had etc, etc. Just because a guy wins does not mean he will pay you or even talk to you again. In any event they are not the clueless suckers you believe them to be and its not easy to sell them


2. In reality its the loser who calls back and asks for a bailout whether he paid or not. And you should hear them whining.

In any event you will never believe how much money you can get out of a guy after losing or a client of yours who is losing. Its in the 10's of millions in my 8 years of expierence vs about 6 million or so off the guy who wins.

To put it another way. Since I started selling games in August 2000 I have seen 50 million + hit the boards. If I include 5 other well known name services that have been in buisness 15+ years in the same time frame
the number swells to 120 millon +. And thats just 6 places mind you.

Thats credit card or wire only. Just selling the games only.

The vast majority came from guys who were losing and every penny of it before the game(s) ever started or were even on the schedule.

Why in the hell would you ever bet a game when you can continualy year and year out get guys to pay you for games up front that have not even started :think2: :icon_conf
 

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Nothing could be further from the truth. And I mean nothing.

1. This statment assumes that because someone got a winner they will be happy and pay you or pay you more. 90 percent of the time, you either never hear from them again or when you call m up they say, I just watched the game, I didn't bet it, I just wanted to see what you had etc, etc. Just because a guy wins does not mean he will pay you or even talk to you again. In any event they are not the clueless suckers you believe them to be and its not easy to sell them


2. In reality its the loser who calls back and asks for a bailout whether he paid or not. And you should hear them whining.

In any event you will never believe how much money you can get out of a guy after losing or a client of yours who is losing. Its in the 10's of millions in my 8 years of expierence vs about 6 million or so off the guy who wins.

To put it another way. Since I started selling games in August 2000 I have seen 50 million + hit the boards. If I include 5 other well known name services that have been in buisness 15+ years in the same time frame
the number swells to 120 millon +. And thats just 6 places mind you.

Thats credit card or wire only. Just selling the games only.

The vast majority came from guys who were losing and every penny of it before the game(s) ever started or were even on the schedule.

Why in the hell would you ever bet a game when you can continualy year and year out get guys to pay you for games up front that have not even started :think2: :icon_conf
How do you sleep at night? Do you just pop an Ambien and pass out? Or is there an industry standard rationalization training that they put you through in orientation?
 

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I am not ashamed of this at all. I love the touts I follow they are the best in the world at what theu do.

I do my own numbers on 99% of my plays. I (highly) recommend Right Angle Sports for cbb and dr bob for CFB. I use them with the stuff I have did on my own because there are just so many games. They both have made me way way more money than I (and others) have spent on using them in the past. CBB totalls from RAS is like printing money. I have never seen anything like it and dr bob had a fabouls season and he influnences the market greatly. Thoise would be the only two I would purchase plays from. I have a handful I keep an eye but not ready to plunk down money yet on any of them.

One major thing though is my handicapping has went up about 3 levels since I arrived in lv and have been able to put the time in it. I think that means everything and why most sane people purchase picks from touts, they dont have the time they think they need to put into it to be a winner. Due to my knowledge, free time and work ethic I feel like I have literally struck gold with some things of late on my own so the tout thing now almost brings confusion to what I do. The good news is I have adopted a lot of the same things they do from what I can tell, so I am on a lot of the same things they are.

How is RAS doing this year in college hoops?
 

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Dude24,

Do your buddy a favor and tell him to watch that Al Pacino movie, "Two for the Money." Sounds like his tout is predatory trying to jack up the rate and calling him. Its exactly what the Matthew McCaughnehy character that portrayed Brandon Lang did to one of his clients. He is most likely giving out opposing teams to different clients. I totally agree with previous posters here. There are some solid cappers who post here and they are all free of charge.... BOL
 

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id tell your buddy to tell the tout, you get PAID after you give me WINNERS. If it wins, I pay, if not, you get jack.
 

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RUN!!! Run for the hills ......fast. My buddy fell for the same shit when I was in college........guy started off 7-0 over 2 weeks....told him to up his bets and demanded more money. Long story short, he ended up in the hole $26,000 and maxed out c cards and eventually filed bankruptcy.
 

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Dude24,

Do your buddy a favor and tell him to watch that Al Pacino movie, "Two for the Money." Sounds like his tout is predatory trying to jack up the rate and calling him. Its exactly what the Matthew McCaughnehy character that portrayed Brandon Lang did to one of his clients. He is most likely giving out opposing teams to different clients. I totally agree with previous posters here. There are some solid cappers who post here and they are all free of charge.... BOL


Try boiler room instead. The buisness is 1000 percent more like that, than that 2 for the money crap.


Thanks Matt.
 

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How is RAS doing this year in college hoops?

ill take this one ice, as i too purchase RAS. it is the only service i trust. i only purchase his totals, and he is doing good so far. 79-39 i believe thus far.
 

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Ok - so here is the story. My buddy is a high scholl teacher and has no money, but he likes to bet sometimes on games and does so on the internet - usually between 20-50 bucks a game.

So a guy keeps calling him from "vegas" and offers picks at a discounted price, etc...

So he paid 700 bucks for a month (intro rate) for picks. Gets 0-3 picks a day and guy tells him how much to bet based on his bankroll (which is like 1000 bucks) - so most games are 50-100 each.

So the month is up and my buddy is up like 1200 (minus the 700 he paid) and now the guy wants like 1100 for the next month and obviously he wants to do it since hes up this month.


HOW DOES THIS USUALLY WORK?
I've never paid for picks.

Obviously the guy had a decent month and won money - but is this whatthese guy do, try to go on a streak to hook people or are they good at this shit? (obviously if they are good, why not bet for a living....)


On top of this thread Doc's has a AD... Doc's Advisory Board A full season of NBA is only $850 thats 6 mo's worth...there if you lose they will put you on another capper until you win at no cost to you,,,,they been in business for over 40 years....shop around....anyone the makes you pay $1000 a mo for a sports is not right...At doc's all record are seen...yes they have cold time....but I know for a fact that the 5 cappers on that site 4 of them have made there players money this year in football.
 

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i have always said why would a guy who can make money on his own sell picks think about it.do i want a bunch of strangers who are probably well known deadbeats all there lives on the same side as me jinxing my plays.

touts are full of shit if you could do it on your own you wouldnt need to sell picks.

i am a tout i get 20 customers the patriots are playing the jets.i give 10 guys the patriots and 10 guys the jets this way the 10 guys who had the winner will call back while the 10 suckers who bet the jets will just go away and you replace them with 10 new suckers.this is what all touts do.


Most good places dont!...I will say it again...they dont put 10 guys on one side and 10 on the other side of the same game!!!

This is a business like any other one....I'm one that dont need the money...so why do I?Also I give all my picks here for free....dont need Forum money....only 20% of the gambler come to forum...they have no time for that kind of live...

I fell into it about 3 years ago...just want to see what it was like....this year I'm up $20,000 in bets....but made way over $80k at Doc's....out of those players that trusted me....90% have won money....

do I need that 20k I won betting!!! or that 80K from doc's!!!....once you have money it becomes a game......I also Have other thing going....but the one thing I like to do in live the most is to help people....I would do it for free....see...its a art to beat a sport. and that's what I like to do. and that's what I do here at the rx...help ..win or lose....and I reach 20% of the players...at the other place I have to sell to reach the other 80%...because they dont go on the net like the ones that are reading this!!!!

true....tout has a bad name on forums...but there are a few that feel like I do!!!

thats all I have to say.

Ace-Ace
 

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ace you still havent answered any questions about being a tout.

do you feel bad when you give a guy who has paid you a loser and he loads up on it ?

why do you feel the need to make other people money if you are making plenty on your own?

have you ever been threatened for giving someone a loser on a big bet for the player?

ace in my opinion if you werent taking advantage of deadbeats you wouldnt be touting you know anybody who calls a service is usually desperate for a winner.i bet a nickle a game maybe 800 so if i am paying you how can i make money on your information i just dont get it.most players cant afford to bet 2 or 3 dimes on each game plus pay your fees.
 

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qoute from ace (its an art to beat the sport,and thats what i like to do)

i guess you have special powers ace that can control allan iverson and the rest of these bone heads playing sports.these guys are making millions of dollars sometimes they feel like working other times they take nights off but ace has the power to look into the future.

ace your so full of shit trying to brainwash people into thinking you know more than others its a crap shot and nobody knows more than the next guy.if your luck is going good you win if your going bad you call a so called phony tout.

as i always say if a tout was making a good living on his own picks why would he need a bunch of losers riding on his back jinxing him.when its all said and done nobody is goiong to make a living gambling in the long run its a sickness you just have to expect good weeks and bad weeks but i dont think anybody can make a living betting all 4 major sports.
 

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ace you still havent answered any questions about being a tout.

do you feel bad when you give a guy who has paid you a loser and he loads up on it ?

yes




why do you feel the need to make other people money if you are making plenty on your own?

I like to help people



have you ever been threatened for giving someone a loser on a big bet for the player?

no...you see to many movies:missingte


ace in my opinion if you werent taking advantage of deadbeats you wouldnt be touting..


thats from your mind ...when I was a book I took alot of money from the players...this is just my way of giving back...is that hard to put in your mind







you are not doing the math well
if you pay $850 for a full season of NBA for 6 mo's...that's $141 a mo...or less than 5 dollars a day...I alway say bet at your level...what is $5 a day for 3 plays a day?...can you answer that?....let me ask you.....why do you come to therx?...I'm sure you look at the player that is hot....dont you....now say you are a Doc and dont have time like yourself to spend 5 hours a day on therx....the Doc want to watch a game after a busy day...he has no time to cap a game but he likes to bet...where does he do....service!....Million of people dont know how to buy stock to make money for there future...so they get someone that does....you dont care about that! but you cant see its the same....if you read what I said...only 20% come to forums...its a big world out there and all kind of people.....guess you are the lucky one because all you have to do is look on the forum to see the answer....trust me there lots that do thing diff///
 

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qoute from ace (its an art to beat the sport,and thats what i like to do)

i guess you have special powers ace that can control allan iverson and the rest of these bone heads playing sports.these guys are making millions of dollars sometimes they feel like working other times they take nights off but ace has the power to look into the future.

ace your so full of shit trying to brainwash people into thinking you know more than others its a crap shot and nobody knows more than the next guy.if your luck is going good you win if your going bad you call a so called phony tout.

as i always say if a tout was making a good living on his own picks why would he need a bunch of losers riding on his back jinxing him.when its all said and done nobody is goiong to make a living gambling in the long run its a sickness you just have to expect good weeks and bad weeks but i dont think anybody can make a living betting all 4 major sports.


you are one that have a Ideal in your head and me or anyone else can not change it...

We often hear what people say without hearing what they mean.

open minds see diff/worlds

best to you
Ace
 

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I appreciate your work ACE don't waste time changing people who don't want to be changed

....it's hard work looking at the numbers and trends you can go blind.......

Ace in your face beantownJIm
 

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been said a thousand times - if someone is so good at picking games why does he need our credit card number?


I couldnt agree more, but ya know what.....I can make one hell of a hamburger, but sometimes I just am craving McDonald's. Some people are lazy. Buying picks is convenient, cheap (sometimes) and you don't have to think. I think these people are the scum of the earth and the people buying picks are just as bad, but there is a market for everything. Ask Billy Mays
 

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Tell him this if you want him to stop paying, whether or not it is true is irrelevant. The guy has called up say 16 other guys and got him to pay for his service and handed team A to 8 and team B to 8. 10 guys pay $700 for month one, 8 win, 8 lose. Month two rolls around, 8 guys tell him to f* off, 8 guys sign on again. Hands out team A to 4 guys, team B to 4 guys, 4 win, 4 lose. Month three, repeat.
 

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