Usually respect what Chuck has to say but to tell the guy to bet on something after he just poured his heart out really shows the guy has no common sense. The worst thing you can do is give someone money to cover something like the $ 151. That will only be a temporary fix. I have no problem with what OF said as everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some really great posts in this thread.
No, stacilu, it was not in response to you or your post. FROG haters abound, not you. Paranoid of attacks, hang around long enough, paranoia becomes reality. Check the why are there more lurkers than posters thread. Anyone who speaks their mind, as I always do, and has an opinion, and has the guts to post it, gets flamed. Better to flame a person than disagree with what they say. At least I did not make light of the subject and give the guy more plays. People like him and many others I know personally give everyone a bad name. Again, I do have compassion, for his wife and daughter. More than anything. Just like I had compassion for JMan's next door neighbor child of drug addicts. I like children more than anything. But generally, they are innocent and very vunerable, needing guidance and protection. Cheif is providing neither, and I do not like it. That is my opinion. Best Wishes stacilu...OF
I agree with frog, you guys telling him to lowere his bets and telling him to take some time off are idiots, this guy needs help, he does not need to lower his bets, he does not need to take a few months off, he needs to take a lifetime off if he wants to keep his family, and that still may not be possible
Frog
No problem and I understand your point of view also. I have witnessed so many men lose everything and in utter despair, some even to the point of suicide. We all agree when out of control this habit of ours is deadly and needs some kind of treatment. I have helped plenty of people and it came back to haunt me.
However, I am still willing to give a hand to somebody I feel is sincere. I know that is a difficult thing, because a down in their luck gambler can sound very sincere and still know in his heart that he will not change. Thus, the advise I gave. Glty.
No problem and I understand your point of view also. I have witnessed so many men lose everything and in utter despair, some even to the point of suicide. We all agree when out of control this habit of ours is deadly and needs some kind of treatment. I have helped plenty of people and it came back to haunt me.
However, I am still willing to give a hand to somebody I feel is sincere. I know that is a difficult thing, because a down in their luck gambler can sound very sincere and still know in his heart that he will not change. Thus, the advise I gave. Glty.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Jones:
chief,
When the responses die down I suggest you print your post and what has been said in regard to it. Share that with her, get help and then get rid of your computer at least for awhile.
Good Luck<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
GREAT ADVICE
chief,
When the responses die down I suggest you print your post and what has been said in regard to it. Share that with her, get help and then get rid of your computer at least for awhile.
Good Luck<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
GREAT ADVICE
OF,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I feel no sympathy for you whatsoever. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
the guy is not asking for sympathy, he is sharing his experiences with us. Gambling affects the Seretonin in your brain & is an addiction similar to other addictions like over-eating, alcohol, cigarettes etc.
You should learn not to be so judgmental & have a bit more empathy for your fellow human being, especially when they are having difficulty.
This poster deserves recognition for sharing his story & trying to prevent others from having troubles.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I feel no sympathy for you whatsoever. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
the guy is not asking for sympathy, he is sharing his experiences with us. Gambling affects the Seretonin in your brain & is an addiction similar to other addictions like over-eating, alcohol, cigarettes etc.
You should learn not to be so judgmental & have a bit more empathy for your fellow human being, especially when they are having difficulty.
This poster deserves recognition for sharing his story & trying to prevent others from having troubles.
i agree with frog to an extent. this guy will not give up, he has probably tried in the past and cant do it.
he needs help. i have seen a buddy piss more away then i can to imaigine, all while losing his wife and daughter.
he still ask me for money to this day, and still owes me on top of it
i wouldnt go as far as calling chief a "loser" he is a guy in need of help. "losers" dont admit they haev problems.
not everyone is blessed with the perfect upbringing, and each handle their life differently.
we should not judge a guy based on a diease he has, all we can do is give him are prayer(not money, or picks) and wish him the best
he needs help. i have seen a buddy piss more away then i can to imaigine, all while losing his wife and daughter.
he still ask me for money to this day, and still owes me on top of it
i wouldnt go as far as calling chief a "loser" he is a guy in need of help. "losers" dont admit they haev problems.
not everyone is blessed with the perfect upbringing, and each handle their life differently.
we should not judge a guy based on a diease he has, all we can do is give him are prayer(not money, or picks) and wish him the best
And of course hondaman, that is your opinion.
If you are open minded there is more than one way to solve a problem. Everybody is different, not all shoes fit all. The advice I gave worked for me and may work for somebody else. Read the post again, I said this is one method he may try. Don't be so quick to call people "idiots."
If you are open minded there is more than one way to solve a problem. Everybody is different, not all shoes fit all. The advice I gave worked for me and may work for somebody else. Read the post again, I said this is one method he may try. Don't be so quick to call people "idiots."
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He is one of you, not me. Best Wishes...OF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
my opinion of you has really changed these past few weeks...
you really do have a 'superior' or a 'holier than though' mentality than most posters...
Yes OF we understand that you are the king & we are but simple peasants... Why do you even post here?
you already know everything are perfect.
my opinion of you has really changed these past few weeks...
you really do have a 'superior' or a 'holier than though' mentality than most posters...
Yes OF we understand that you are the king & we are but simple peasants... Why do you even post here?
Frog
Must say your post is harsh, he has a sickness and like all of them he needs support. You are cold not to feel for him. Whether you are struck by a stroke or bemcome hooked on gambling these are all facets of life that require SUPPORT. The I don't feel sorry for him aproach will not work.
When someone enters into the world of recreational gambling and becomes unknowingly hooked all studies and stories support that it can be it can be/will be devistating for the person and his surrounding family and friends.
I fell for sorry for Cheif and I pray he can get stronger and call GA. He is human and all humans make mistakes. Hell maybe I am a softy.
Good luck Cheif !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Must say your post is harsh, he has a sickness and like all of them he needs support. You are cold not to feel for him. Whether you are struck by a stroke or bemcome hooked on gambling these are all facets of life that require SUPPORT. The I don't feel sorry for him aproach will not work.
When someone enters into the world of recreational gambling and becomes unknowingly hooked all studies and stories support that it can be it can be/will be devistating for the person and his surrounding family and friends.
I fell for sorry for Cheif and I pray he can get stronger and call GA. He is human and all humans make mistakes. Hell maybe I am a softy.
Good luck Cheif !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chief...i don't know if you are still reading these posts or not...but if you are, read all of them very carefully as they all have something to say not only to you my friend but to every gambler that ever was...i'm sure some of us if not 100% of us have made some serious mistakes in our gambling lives...it is the path we've chosen....when i was young and dumb...before i was married and little if any responsibilties,,,i gambled way over my head and i don't know why because the money didn't make me any happier...there were times i would bet 2 or 3 thousand on a game and win and still feel an emptiness...it was the rush of just having action i guess...but once i got married and accepted the responsibilties of having a family house and all the bs that comes with growing up....it all changed...i realized it wasn't for the money it was for the action and action only....so now i bet 10.00 lousy fu*king a game to the tune of 20.00 bucks per day...and it's all for the action...just the trill of being able to say i am as smart or smarter than the ones who made the lines....so chief,,, i know your pain and there is alot of others reading this that have been there but don't have the courage or the balls to be man enough to admit it ...we just weren't brought up that way....get the help you need and god bless you and yours...take it one minute at a time and always remember your family including god always comes first and foremost.... shit i'm tired of all this typing because i'm not good at it...keep your head up and be proud to be the father and husband you're supposed to be...live like the family you wanted when you got married...live and learn one day at a time...take care....jeffksu
OF:
Respectfully, on this matter I must disagree with you but respect your right to your opinion. Chief is clearly calling out for help by writing this thread as well as unselfishly warning others not to fall into the same trap. When someone calls out for help, the least we can do is try to assist him. Not monetarily but with proper guidance. His self described behavior is clearly one of an obsessive, compulsive gambler, one of which I am sorry to say is quite common. The obsessive natural of the behavior is one of the 10 Warning Signs of Mental Illness and needs counseling and treatment. GA is set up to provide the very assistance that can help him and perhaps save his life as well as his family. Respect that you place your family ahead of gambling, but quite honestly, for one that is successful in this business, you can state this from a position different from Chief. If you were on the other end of this business and were compulsive and could not win but the disease continued to press you on, perhaps you would see things differently and not be quite so harsh on the behavior. Believe that you have compassion and are intelligent enough to understand the situation. Let's try to help Chief rather then knock him down harder when he is calling out for help.
Respectfully, on this matter I must disagree with you but respect your right to your opinion. Chief is clearly calling out for help by writing this thread as well as unselfishly warning others not to fall into the same trap. When someone calls out for help, the least we can do is try to assist him. Not monetarily but with proper guidance. His self described behavior is clearly one of an obsessive, compulsive gambler, one of which I am sorry to say is quite common. The obsessive natural of the behavior is one of the 10 Warning Signs of Mental Illness and needs counseling and treatment. GA is set up to provide the very assistance that can help him and perhaps save his life as well as his family. Respect that you place your family ahead of gambling, but quite honestly, for one that is successful in this business, you can state this from a position different from Chief. If you were on the other end of this business and were compulsive and could not win but the disease continued to press you on, perhaps you would see things differently and not be quite so harsh on the behavior. Believe that you have compassion and are intelligent enough to understand the situation. Let's try to help Chief rather then knock him down harder when he is calling out for help.
Rail, that is practically my entire point. He needs to be awakened. He needs to be stood up, to in some effect, go through shock treatment. Just like any other addict. You want to see a drug addict kick? Wiggle around, spasms and convulsions. You want to see an alocholic go through Betty Ford clinic. You think anyone there is offering them a drink? Or saying it's OK. Wake up and smell the coffee. This Chief just needed a shoulder to cry on. I am telling him to quit crying and care for his family. Maybe he can salvage his relationships, maybe. But that is all. Damage is done, and he knows it. I refuse to enable him. It is check in time. Check in a rehab for compulsive gamblers. He is a dark side to our passion. He is the failure example. He is one of many. The industry prays off of people like him. And all walks of life. What about Leonard Tose? Sp? He lost an NFL team? If life has moved forward in evolution terms, this is just one of many pitfalls for today's human. Instead of walking into a tar pit, he chose gambling. Could have been stocks, drugs, booze or many other end of story mistakes. When you see the results of these addictions, it makes you that much colder. I have seen crack babies less than 16 ounces, trembling for a fix. I have seen compulsive gamblers leave their kids or family in the arcade, with nothing, so they can gamble. Little black girl got raped and killed in Vegas from it. By some loser white A-hole. Sorry that I have become jaded in life, but this is a survival of the fittest exercise in today's modern world. Chief made the tar pit choice. He may have one chance left. He may not. For his family's sake I hope he makes the best of it...Best Wishes...OF
Chief:
Your words are being heard here and affecting many of your fellow posters deeply and with understanding. Some very good recommendations have been stated.
First, know that you are not alone. May I implore you as others have stated, to seek out the assistance of GA. You will not be judged but rather helped. If you do this in good faith and work hard every day to beat this disease, you can and will recover and perhaps can save your family. Assistance is provided for the entire family if desired. I know taking the first step is not easy, but think of it as the first step towards a normal happy and healthy life awaiting you in the future. Don't despare. Help is only a phone call away. Pick up the phone and call today. I promise you that you will never regret it and will not feel alone. Please make that call!!!!!
Your words are being heard here and affecting many of your fellow posters deeply and with understanding. Some very good recommendations have been stated.
First, know that you are not alone. May I implore you as others have stated, to seek out the assistance of GA. You will not be judged but rather helped. If you do this in good faith and work hard every day to beat this disease, you can and will recover and perhaps can save your family. Assistance is provided for the entire family if desired. I know taking the first step is not easy, but think of it as the first step towards a normal happy and healthy life awaiting you in the future. Don't despare. Help is only a phone call away. Pick up the phone and call today. I promise you that you will never regret it and will not feel alone. Please make that call!!!!!
