Thanks Cyyyyk,
People can ignore or gloss over the truth. People can tell all sorts of bullshit stories. But now and then...... they say things that are just absolute crap right on the surface. They get really nervous when we call them out on it.
Like you said.... "Any card counter who bets big and wins consistently could not last long in any casino." Not just cause you agreed with me.... because you are ball-on accurate. Motor City IS full of crap.
He will probably say that green chip play is not “big”. It’s not…. But in a major casino….. They are paying attention and not just giving those green chips away.
People can ignore or gloss over the truth. People can tell all sorts of bullshit stories. But now and then...... they say things that are just absolute crap right on the surface. They get really nervous when we call them out on it.
Like you said.... "Any card counter who bets big and wins consistently could not last long in any casino." Not just cause you agreed with me.... because you are ball-on accurate. Motor City IS full of crap.
He will probably say that green chip play is not “big”. It’s not…. But in a major casino….. They are paying attention and not just giving those green chips away.
So packer 2012 tell us how much money you have lost in your life time playing BJ ? How do you know when to raise and lower your bet ? Is there a rabbit foot in your pocket ? I am really interested in seeing how you would attack the game. Tell us and show me how smart you are ! Or are you just a ploppy. If you don't know what a ploppy is I took this from the urban dictionary so you you understand. Read this carefully .
Semi-derogatory term used by professional gamblers to describe just another sucker at the casino. While professional gamblers are at a blackjack table counting cards, the "ploppies" are the players at the table who the casino loves because they play the game at an average level (or below) and just don't know any better. Sometimes ploppies can get in the way of the professional players.
Semi-derogatory term used by professional gamblers to describe just another sucker at the casino. While professional gamblers are at a blackjack table counting cards, the "ploppies" are the players at the table who the casino loves because they play the game at an average level (or below) and just don't know any better. Sometimes ploppies can get in the way of the professional players.
Motor... Cute. The way you lost your cool and posted three times trying to provoke me.
Sorry we hit a nerve. I don't care to communicate with you after you lied to us all about you bullshit counting story. That never could have happened.
Lets just say I have played tons and tons of rated play....... at limits you never dreamed of. And ahead lifetime. So you know.... I am not young. Old enough by far to see through your childish stories.
Best wishes young man. If you are counting at the drive-thru, or wherever.... we know its not at the BJ table. Bullshit meter off the charts.
Sorry we hit a nerve. I don't care to communicate with you after you lied to us all about you bullshit counting story. That never could have happened.
Lets just say I have played tons and tons of rated play....... at limits you never dreamed of. And ahead lifetime. So you know.... I am not young. Old enough by far to see through your childish stories.
Best wishes young man. If you are counting at the drive-thru, or wherever.... we know its not at the BJ table. Bullshit meter off the charts.
Pack, your love of superstition is rather touching, I'll give you that. Your notion that "math only counts in the long term" is bizarre to say the least. What I think you're saying is that only on the very long end of an actuarial curve will percentage probabilities be relevant and that some mysterious force like "luck" or "chance" takes over in the short term.
This is an incorrect way to view statistics for any independent trial activity, eg Roulette, Craps, Sic Bo etc etc
Think about it this way:
Joe Six Pack goes to an Indian casino and bets $ 100 on black in roulette. He holds his lucky rabbit foot tight in his hand. The ball bounces into a black square an incredible 25 times in a row! Joe cashes out his $2500 and goes home to tell his wife about the incredible streak he just stumbled upon.
But it's not a streak. The outcome is a result of 25 independent events each of which has an 18/38 or 47.4% chance of occuring. Spin # 25 has the same percentage chance of hitting black as does spin number 5 billion. Each event occurs independent of the previous event.
The actuarial curve will show a 100% probability of hitting black if only the first 25 spins are measured. As the number of spins move toward infinity the curve will slowly show a 47.4.....% probability. This does not mean that the odds change as the number of spins increases, only that the more trials that occur the greater the true probability is illustrated.
Hope that helps
This is an incorrect way to view statistics for any independent trial activity, eg Roulette, Craps, Sic Bo etc etc
Think about it this way:
Joe Six Pack goes to an Indian casino and bets $ 100 on black in roulette. He holds his lucky rabbit foot tight in his hand. The ball bounces into a black square an incredible 25 times in a row! Joe cashes out his $2500 and goes home to tell his wife about the incredible streak he just stumbled upon.
But it's not a streak. The outcome is a result of 25 independent events each of which has an 18/38 or 47.4% chance of occuring. Spin # 25 has the same percentage chance of hitting black as does spin number 5 billion. Each event occurs independent of the previous event.
The actuarial curve will show a 100% probability of hitting black if only the first 25 spins are measured. As the number of spins move toward infinity the curve will slowly show a 47.4.....% probability. This does not mean that the odds change as the number of spins increases, only that the more trials that occur the greater the true probability is illustrated.
Hope that helps
Hey Ever,
I said I was going to stay out of this...... but your post is balls-on and I love it.
First.... we were never talking about roulette. That game is for pussies that have barely enough guts not to be playing keno in the restaurant. But your math points are well taken and accurate.
This is the thing ..... I have never said the math is not relevant and does not catches up over time. Sounds like, if we finally understand one another..... We can agree that there is short term variance, luck, streaks, or whatever you want to call it at work here. Fact is the math probabilities just don't add up perfectly minute by minute or shoe by shoe. They are concrete over time...... but not second by second.
I never mentioned superstition..... just saying that within the confines of human endurance (how much time your ass can stand to sit in the same seat).... the numbers just don't add up each session when viewed independently.
Have a good one Ever. I really do appreciate and admire your math education.
I said I was going to stay out of this...... but your post is balls-on and I love it.
First.... we were never talking about roulette. That game is for pussies that have barely enough guts not to be playing keno in the restaurant. But your math points are well taken and accurate.
This is the thing ..... I have never said the math is not relevant and does not catches up over time. Sounds like, if we finally understand one another..... We can agree that there is short term variance, luck, streaks, or whatever you want to call it at work here. Fact is the math probabilities just don't add up perfectly minute by minute or shoe by shoe. They are concrete over time...... but not second by second.
I never mentioned superstition..... just saying that within the confines of human endurance (how much time your ass can stand to sit in the same seat).... the numbers just don't add up each session when viewed independently.
Have a good one Ever. I really do appreciate and admire your math education.
To sum up HeatOhio, I mean packer........the math doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who has the edge, you can win, if you're not a pussy or a math nerd. You just have to find the hot tables and up your bet. Or something. But you can't count, because anyone knows counters get booted. So you can't play with an edge, because the casino has already booted you. You just keep betting -EV bets but if you see that the table is hot, you unload. Sniper Kerry Packer style. LOL.
Pack
No disrespect, but Kerry Packer made # 5 on the following list (see http://freecasinonights.com/casino-biggest-losses.html )
Top Ten Casino Losers
These are the Top Ten Casino Losers of all time.
1.) Terry Watanabe
Terry is the biggest gambler. Terry Watanabe is one of the biggest gamblers of all time in casino history and lost $120 million in 2007 and an estimated total of $200 million overall. Watanabe claims that the casino continuously provided him with liquor as a plan to keep him gambling. That was the reason of his big loss.
2.) Omar Siddiqui
Omar Siddiqui is also a very knowned gambler in casinos. Omar Siddiqui Unfortunately, ended up becoming a major gambler and first won a bunch, but then he ended up losing a total of $65 million. Omar was betting $200,000 per hand on blackjack.
3.) Archie Karas
Archie Karas came in Vegas with only about $60. But fortunately he ended up winning around $30 million by playing dice, baccarat, pool, and even a little poker. But after some time, his luck ran out and he ended up losing it all . So unfortunate end.
4.) Akio Kashiwagi
Akio Kashiwagi is known as one of the biggest gamblers of all time in casino history. But unfortunately Akio lost a total of roughly $10.5 million at the Trump casino. He was not certain whether he is in the green or in the red overall .Overall it was another a big loss.
5.) The Australian Kerry Packer
Fond of Roulette spin. Kerry Packer is known as one of the biggest casino losers of all time. Imagine someone walking into a casino, losing £15 million on a few roulette spins, and then walking back out. Australian media tycoon by the name of Kerry Packer lost £15 million during three weeks in 2001.
No disrespect, but Kerry Packer made # 5 on the following list (see http://freecasinonights.com/casino-biggest-losses.html )
Top Ten Casino Losers
These are the Top Ten Casino Losers of all time.
1.) Terry Watanabe
Terry is the biggest gambler. Terry Watanabe is one of the biggest gamblers of all time in casino history and lost $120 million in 2007 and an estimated total of $200 million overall. Watanabe claims that the casino continuously provided him with liquor as a plan to keep him gambling. That was the reason of his big loss.
2.) Omar Siddiqui
Omar Siddiqui is also a very knowned gambler in casinos. Omar Siddiqui Unfortunately, ended up becoming a major gambler and first won a bunch, but then he ended up losing a total of $65 million. Omar was betting $200,000 per hand on blackjack.
3.) Archie Karas
Archie Karas came in Vegas with only about $60. But fortunately he ended up winning around $30 million by playing dice, baccarat, pool, and even a little poker. But after some time, his luck ran out and he ended up losing it all . So unfortunate end.
4.) Akio Kashiwagi
Akio Kashiwagi is known as one of the biggest gamblers of all time in casino history. But unfortunately Akio lost a total of roughly $10.5 million at the Trump casino. He was not certain whether he is in the green or in the red overall .Overall it was another a big loss.
5.) The Australian Kerry Packer
Fond of Roulette spin. Kerry Packer is known as one of the biggest casino losers of all time. Imagine someone walking into a casino, losing £15 million on a few roulette spins, and then walking back out. Australian media tycoon by the name of Kerry Packer lost £15 million during three weeks in 2001.
Pack
No disrespect, but Kerry Packer made # 5 on the following list (see http://freecasinonights.com/casino-biggest-losses.html )
Top Ten Casino Losers
These are the Top Ten Casino Losers of all time.
1.) Terry Watanabe
Terry is the biggest gambler. Terry Watanabe is one of the biggest gamblers of all time in casino history and lost $120 million in 2007 and an estimated total of $200 million overall. Watanabe claims that the casino continuously provided him with liquor as a plan to keep him gambling. That was the reason of his big loss.
2.) Omar Siddiqui
Omar Siddiqui is also a very knowned gambler in casinos. Omar Siddiqui Unfortunately, ended up becoming a major gambler and first won a bunch, but then he ended up losing a total of $65 million. Omar was betting $200,000 per hand on blackjack.
3.) Archie Karas
Archie Karas came in Vegas with only about $60. But fortunately he ended up winning around $30 million by playing dice, baccarat, pool, and even a little poker. But after some time, his luck ran out and he ended up losing it all . So unfortunate end.
4.) Akio Kashiwagi
Akio Kashiwagi is known as one of the biggest gamblers of all time in casino history. But unfortunately Akio lost a total of roughly $10.5 million at the Trump casino. He was not certain whether he is in the green or in the red overall .Overall it was another a big loss.
5.) The Australian Kerry Packer
Fond of Roulette spin. Kerry Packer is known as one of the biggest casino losers of all time. Imagine someone walking into a casino, losing £15 million on a few roulette spins, and then walking back out. Australian media tycoon by the name of Kerry Packer lost £15 million during three weeks in 2001.
Nice to see the real truth other then some babbling idiot posting nonsense. But then what would you expect from the ploppies of the world. These people have no concept of gambling other then they have a lot of money to give to the casino. A rich ploppy or a poor one have your pick. They are all the same lucky tables, lucky underwear !
You boys are real cute! Read your own stuff before you paste it and start your pissant yammering.
The areticle talks only about roulette. Not at all about blackjack.
Did you kids ever see the man, or were you held over in pre-school those days.
The reason places limited him or barred him was not because he never lost at blackjack. It was because when he got hot he would impact their quarterly profits.
Documented fact. Google MGM and find the story. One of many.
Sorry to interrupt your play time.
The areticle talks only about roulette. Not at all about blackjack.
Did you kids ever see the man, or were you held over in pre-school those days.
The reason places limited him or barred him was not because he never lost at blackjack. It was because when he got hot he would impact their quarterly profits.
Documented fact. Google MGM and find the story. One of many.
Sorry to interrupt your play time.
I really don't have the patience to discuss this post after post.
I think I know our problem, though.
I never said the math does not exist. I fully understand.
Never said I depend on, profit by.... whatever from streaks.
All I ever insisted on was that short term streaks (varience) happens. Some have said they don't. I am not sure we even had a serious disagreement. Just talking short term or long term?
I think I know our problem, though.
I never said the math does not exist. I fully understand.
Never said I depend on, profit by.... whatever from streaks.
All I ever insisted on was that short term streaks (varience) happens. Some have said they don't. I am not sure we even had a serious disagreement. Just talking short term or long term?
