Originally posted by daddyincr:
teller--how can the bettor know a clerk's name when he NEVER called and spoke to him before.
again he claimed to put the bet in just before the race went off--bettween 4.15 and 4.30 pm eastern. well the race left an hour later 5.29 eastern. perhaps immorality is a part of your daily life. perhaps you are in bed with this particular gambler.
he wagered on an event that was over. win or lose it's no bet.
i would be delighted to invite you to our office in order for you to see and here all the documentation of this thievery.
i have the evidence. you have only a story[/QUOT
ADMIT THERE WAS AN ERROR ... YOU GUYS TOOK THE BET , IT WAS ON TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO PAY 20K ..
WHAT KIND OF COMMENTS YOU HAVE TO BRING UP HERE!! " ME IN BED, WITH THE GAMBLER", I WAGER WITH YOU GUYS BEFORE ... ONE OF THE WORSE BOOK I HAVE HAD AN ACCOUNT WITH .
IN REGARDS TO THE INVITATION, I MUST SAY "NO" THANKS ... EVIDENCE IN PIECE OF PAPER?? UMMM, I DON'T NEED TO SEE!! NOT AFTER 4 WEEKS!! ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO CREATE EVIDENCE OF YOUR OWN SCAM
DO YOU REALY HAVE AN OFFICE?? OR ARE YOU RENTING A ROOM IN SOME BED AND BREAKFAST DOWNTOWN SAN JOSE ..
Chalk-
I agree read back is final and should have been converted, but if a guy is going to lie, then the readback should be taken literally as a 5-cent nickel.
In this case, PlayCR claims the readback and timestamps all show the bet was a past-post, and the clerk confessed.
I know PlayCR investigates a claim thoroughly before even considering a no-pay decision. These guys are very honorable in that regard.
I agree read back is final and should have been converted, but if a guy is going to lie, then the readback should be taken literally as a 5-cent nickel.
In this case, PlayCR claims the readback and timestamps all show the bet was a past-post, and the clerk confessed.
I know PlayCR investigates a claim thoroughly before even considering a no-pay decision. These guys are very honorable in that regard.
General-
A little more than he said she said.
Theteller:
1) comes in here for "a friend"
2) offers no details
3) starts crying about some "other friend" of his that got paid, but had to wait 9 days.
4) starts dropping names
5) starts ranting that the book cheats
Daddyincr:
1) explains the past history (player was previously banned)
2) gives exact date and times for the bets and race
3) gives an example of scammers false story
4) clerk's admission was part of the decision after long internal debate
The player sent "a friend", so it's a "a friend said", not even a "he said".
A little more than he said she said.
Theteller:
1) comes in here for "a friend"
2) offers no details
3) starts crying about some "other friend" of his that got paid, but had to wait 9 days.
4) starts dropping names
5) starts ranting that the book cheats
Daddyincr:
1) explains the past history (player was previously banned)
2) gives exact date and times for the bets and race
3) gives an example of scammers false story
4) clerk's admission was part of the decision after long internal debate
The player sent "a friend", so it's a "a friend said", not even a "he said".
Who knows, but if I were trying to submit an honest view of the circumstances, it becomes the bet was posted at this time by the player, but the book says this time.
Who really knows. In all honesty, when it comes to horses, the software should be the judge. If a player has a ticket then he should have a bet IMO, but I know this is a big issue. It would cut out alot of BS if it were this way.
Who really knows. In all honesty, when it comes to horses, the software should be the judge. If a player has a ticket then he should have a bet IMO, but I know this is a big issue. It would cut out alot of BS if it were this way.
General-
As a programmer, I'm a big believer in the software, but I also know that it's only as good as the data you put in.
Was there a problem with the data feed, and PlayCR didn't receive a timely update? Did the time of the race change? Did the clerk override a setting to past-post the bet, since he was supposedly in on it?
Even if the computer (software) has the wrong time, the actual time a bet took place can be dermined by seeing how many minutes the time is off and adjusting. I've use to do this to resolve past-post. Eventually, I configured the computers to update their time against the US atomic clock, so they were never off by more than a second.
In my experience, PlayCR has always been diligent examining the times and doing the right thing.
As a programmer, I'm a big believer in the software, but I also know that it's only as good as the data you put in.
Was there a problem with the data feed, and PlayCR didn't receive a timely update? Did the time of the race change? Did the clerk override a setting to past-post the bet, since he was supposedly in on it?
Even if the computer (software) has the wrong time, the actual time a bet took place can be dermined by seeing how many minutes the time is off and adjusting. I've use to do this to resolve past-post. Eventually, I configured the computers to update their time against the US atomic clock, so they were never off by more than a second.
In my experience, PlayCR has always been diligent examining the times and doing the right thing.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Java:
General-
A little more than he said she said.
Theteller:
1) comes in here for "a friend"
2) offers no details
3) starts crying about some "other friend" of his that got paid, but had to wait 9 days.
4) starts dropping names
5) starts ranting that the book cheats
Daddyincr:
1) explains the past history (player was previously banned)
2) gives exact date and times for the bets and race
3) gives an example of scammers false story
4) clerk's admission was part of the decision after long internal debate
The player sent "a friend", so it's a "a friend said", not even a "he said".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
JAVA ----
What is your problem ... first you complain of me using names, know you want me to provide them... lol
I don't just come here for a Friend ... who by they way working at this time ... soon he will have the chance to reply to your stupidity ...
What details you want me to provide, YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU HE WAS SITTING IN THE LEFT CORNER OF HIS DINNER TABLE, USING THE BLACK CORDLESS PHONE THAT BELONG TO THE KITCHEN WHEN HE CALLED TO PLACE THE WAGER ... "3 MINUTES BEFORE POST TIME ... HORSE TRACK STILL ON THE BOARD .... WAGER TAKEN BY CKERK .. WHO GAVE A READBACK WITH NO POST-TIME ... SINCE THEY DON'T GIVE POST TIME ON HORSES BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING ON THE COMPUTER ...
I WILL LOVE TO SEE IF YOU AS A GAMBLER .. OR SHOULD I SAY PROFESSIONAL GAMBLER, MAKE A WAGER, AND WIN ... AND THEN MOST WAIT 9 DAYS TO GET PAID $1000 ... HELLO!!! DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SPORTSBOOKS??? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RECIEVE YOUR WINNING THE NEXT DAY ...IF YOU CALL ON TIME FOR A PAYOUT... SINCE YOU ARE A POSTUP PLAYER ... DO YOU KNOW WHAT POST UP MEANS??? YOU POST YOUR OWN MONEY!!! YOU GIVE YOUR OWN MONEY TO THIS BOOK ... WHO YOU BELIEVE SHOULD BE PAYING YOU THE NEXT DAY ... LIKE THEY TELL YOU !!!
I AM NOT JUST RANTING THE BOOK ... I AM TELLING THE TRUTH ... THEY ARE SCAMMERS ... THAT BY THE WAY ... DON'T HAVE PROFESSIONALISM ON WHAT THEY DO ....
DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME AS A FRIEND, DON'T WORRY AOBUT WHO TOLD WHO ... WORRY ABOUT THE SERIOUS SITUATION HERE ...
THE SCAM !!!!
General-
A little more than he said she said.
Theteller:
1) comes in here for "a friend"
2) offers no details
3) starts crying about some "other friend" of his that got paid, but had to wait 9 days.
4) starts dropping names
5) starts ranting that the book cheats
Daddyincr:
1) explains the past history (player was previously banned)
2) gives exact date and times for the bets and race
3) gives an example of scammers false story
4) clerk's admission was part of the decision after long internal debate
The player sent "a friend", so it's a "a friend said", not even a "he said".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
JAVA ----
What is your problem ... first you complain of me using names, know you want me to provide them... lol
I don't just come here for a Friend ... who by they way working at this time ... soon he will have the chance to reply to your stupidity ...
What details you want me to provide, YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU HE WAS SITTING IN THE LEFT CORNER OF HIS DINNER TABLE, USING THE BLACK CORDLESS PHONE THAT BELONG TO THE KITCHEN WHEN HE CALLED TO PLACE THE WAGER ... "3 MINUTES BEFORE POST TIME ... HORSE TRACK STILL ON THE BOARD .... WAGER TAKEN BY CKERK .. WHO GAVE A READBACK WITH NO POST-TIME ... SINCE THEY DON'T GIVE POST TIME ON HORSES BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING ON THE COMPUTER ...
I WILL LOVE TO SEE IF YOU AS A GAMBLER .. OR SHOULD I SAY PROFESSIONAL GAMBLER, MAKE A WAGER, AND WIN ... AND THEN MOST WAIT 9 DAYS TO GET PAID $1000 ... HELLO!!! DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SPORTSBOOKS??? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RECIEVE YOUR WINNING THE NEXT DAY ...IF YOU CALL ON TIME FOR A PAYOUT... SINCE YOU ARE A POSTUP PLAYER ... DO YOU KNOW WHAT POST UP MEANS??? YOU POST YOUR OWN MONEY!!! YOU GIVE YOUR OWN MONEY TO THIS BOOK ... WHO YOU BELIEVE SHOULD BE PAYING YOU THE NEXT DAY ... LIKE THEY TELL YOU !!!
I AM NOT JUST RANTING THE BOOK ... I AM TELLING THE TRUTH ... THEY ARE SCAMMERS ... THAT BY THE WAY ... DON'T HAVE PROFESSIONALISM ON WHAT THEY DO ....
DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME AS A FRIEND, DON'T WORRY AOBUT WHO TOLD WHO ... WORRY ABOUT THE SERIOUS SITUATION HERE ...
THE SCAM !!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Java:
General-
As a programmer, I'm a big believer in the software, but I also know that it's only as good as the data you put in.
Was there a problem with the data feed, and PlayCR didn't receive a timely update? Did the time of the race change? Did the clerk override a setting to past-post the bet, since he was supposedly in on it?
Even if the computer (software) has the wrong time, the actual time a bet took place can be dermined by seeing how many minutes the time is off and adjusting. I've use to do this to resolve past-post. Eventually, I configured the computers to update their time against the US atomic clock, so they were never off by more than a second.
In my experience, PlayCR has always been diligent examining the times and doing the right thing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
***The player sent "a friend", so it's a "a friend said", not even a "he said" ***
WHAT IS THIS ... YOU BECAME THEIR PERSONAL DEFENDER ... NO ANSWER FROM PLAYCR?? DO YOU KNOW WHY??? BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT POST TIME ON THE READBACK THAT IS FINAL!!!
I WILL LOVE TO SPEAK WITH THE CLERK WHO TOOK THIS WAGER ... TO SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT ALL THIS !!!
YOU SAID YOU KNOW THIS PEOPLE FOR LONG TIME ... ASK THEM WHO IS THE SCAMMER???
General-
As a programmer, I'm a big believer in the software, but I also know that it's only as good as the data you put in.
Was there a problem with the data feed, and PlayCR didn't receive a timely update? Did the time of the race change? Did the clerk override a setting to past-post the bet, since he was supposedly in on it?
Even if the computer (software) has the wrong time, the actual time a bet took place can be dermined by seeing how many minutes the time is off and adjusting. I've use to do this to resolve past-post. Eventually, I configured the computers to update their time against the US atomic clock, so they were never off by more than a second.
In my experience, PlayCR has always been diligent examining the times and doing the right thing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
***The player sent "a friend", so it's a "a friend said", not even a "he said" ***
WHAT IS THIS ... YOU BECAME THEIR PERSONAL DEFENDER ... NO ANSWER FROM PLAYCR?? DO YOU KNOW WHY??? BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT POST TIME ON THE READBACK THAT IS FINAL!!!
I WILL LOVE TO SPEAK WITH THE CLERK WHO TOOK THIS WAGER ... TO SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT ALL THIS !!!
YOU SAID YOU KNOW THIS PEOPLE FOR LONG TIME ... ASK THEM WHO IS THE SCAMMER???
theteller-
1) I wasn't looking for you to provide names. I think the player should come here himself, not go through "a friend".
2) Details about the bet would be the date, time, race, etc. Did your friend have a printout from the internet with all the timestamps? Phone records have timestamps too. The time of the call would be recorded by the computer, the tape and the phone company.
3) Races that have finished sometimes don't get cleared off the board right away. That doesn't mean it's a valid wager just because it is mistakenly on the board.
4) Your post-up "friend" is a completely different situation. He got paid. Was it a banking problem, was the book slow in funding the account, did they have an unexpected payout that delayed them until they could deposit more funds? The people that played at Panam would have been thrilled with a one-time 9-day slow play. The current situtation is agent/credit so a post-up snafu has no bearing.
5) Your "friend" is a big boy and should come here and post a complaint HIMSELF. First-person complaints carry a little more wait.
1) I wasn't looking for you to provide names. I think the player should come here himself, not go through "a friend".
2) Details about the bet would be the date, time, race, etc. Did your friend have a printout from the internet with all the timestamps? Phone records have timestamps too. The time of the call would be recorded by the computer, the tape and the phone company.
3) Races that have finished sometimes don't get cleared off the board right away. That doesn't mean it's a valid wager just because it is mistakenly on the board.
4) Your post-up "friend" is a completely different situation. He got paid. Was it a banking problem, was the book slow in funding the account, did they have an unexpected payout that delayed them until they could deposit more funds? The people that played at Panam would have been thrilled with a one-time 9-day slow play. The current situtation is agent/credit so a post-up snafu has no bearing.
5) Your "friend" is a big boy and should come here and post a complaint HIMSELF. First-person complaints carry a little more wait.
Date Description Risk/Win Amount Balance Placed User/Phone
BALANCE FORWARD 0
Ticket #1592074 Racing ticket #33426Jun-13 LDN R6 600.00 USD WPS 4 WIN 1800/0 10680 10680 Jun-1305:36:05p HORSEMAN/0
Ticket #1592075 Racing ticket #33427Jun-13 LDN R6 150.00 USD EXX 4,6,7 WIN 900/0 10500 21180 Jun-1305:36:06p HORSEMAN/0
gentlemen--here is a copy of the ticket where you can see the bet was placed at 5.36pm -- 6 minutes after post. by the way, sir,the teller, your information is inaccurate--as are your opinions. facts cannot be disputed--come to the office--i'll show you proof he past post by 6 minutes
BALANCE FORWARD 0
Ticket #1592074 Racing ticket #33426Jun-13 LDN R6 600.00 USD WPS 4 WIN 1800/0 10680 10680 Jun-1305:36:05p HORSEMAN/0
Ticket #1592075 Racing ticket #33427Jun-13 LDN R6 150.00 USD EXX 4,6,7 WIN 900/0 10500 21180 Jun-1305:36:06p HORSEMAN/0
gentlemen--here is a copy of the ticket where you can see the bet was placed at 5.36pm -- 6 minutes after post. by the way, sir,the teller, your information is inaccurate--as are your opinions. facts cannot be disputed--come to the office--i'll show you proof he past post by 6 minutes
Java --
You can come up with as many questions as you like ...
He will be around later on today to answer them ... but,
let me advise you, the bet was taken, not just that, it was in the account as a winner, the money was in the account, and almost a week after they came up with all the history that it was a scam ...
Tell me honestly ! Since when you have to provide phone records to prove a BET ... Is this a joke???
I don't know about PANAM but l don't care because we are not talking about them ...
I know that you can have a delay here and there in payouts ... but in PLAYCR this goes on constantly!!
Don't try to come up with computer B.S. that maybe the race had not cleared , Read first ... they say " races in the computer are with 5 post time before the race goes off" this in order to avoid the clients to past post a bet ...
Why was the bet taken the???? why the money was on the account??? why did they took the money and then closed the account???
Lets face it and be real ...
You can come up with as many questions as you like ...
He will be around later on today to answer them ... but,
let me advise you, the bet was taken, not just that, it was in the account as a winner, the money was in the account, and almost a week after they came up with all the history that it was a scam ...
Tell me honestly ! Since when you have to provide phone records to prove a BET ... Is this a joke???
I don't know about PANAM but l don't care because we are not talking about them ...
I know that you can have a delay here and there in payouts ... but in PLAYCR this goes on constantly!!
Don't try to come up with computer B.S. that maybe the race had not cleared , Read first ... they say " races in the computer are with 5 post time before the race goes off" this in order to avoid the clients to past post a bet ...
Why was the bet taken the???? why the money was on the account??? why did they took the money and then closed the account???
Lets face it and be real ...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by daddyincr:
by the way, your complaint of a friend waiting 9 days for 1000 dollars is another fabrication.
we are not a post up business.not one post up player.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ITS NOT LEGAL TO PROVIDE WITH NAMES, BUT DO THINK I DON'T HAVE THEM .. OF THE PEOPLE YOU SCAM !!! YOU ARE POST UP ... YOU RUN A BOOK WITH MANY CLERKS JUST DIFFERENT NAMES ... WE ALL KNOW THAT .. BUT IS STILL PLAYCR ..
YOU KNOW VERY WELL YOU HAVE POST UP PLAYER ... AND IN SPECIAL YOU HAVE SOMEONE WORKING DAY AND NIGHT TRYING TO GET MORE CLIENTS THAT ARE POST TIME ...
SO DON'T TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE POST UP PLAYERS ...
by the way, your complaint of a friend waiting 9 days for 1000 dollars is another fabrication.
we are not a post up business.not one post up player.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ITS NOT LEGAL TO PROVIDE WITH NAMES, BUT DO THINK I DON'T HAVE THEM .. OF THE PEOPLE YOU SCAM !!! YOU ARE POST UP ... YOU RUN A BOOK WITH MANY CLERKS JUST DIFFERENT NAMES ... WE ALL KNOW THAT .. BUT IS STILL PLAYCR ..
YOU KNOW VERY WELL YOU HAVE POST UP PLAYER ... AND IN SPECIAL YOU HAVE SOMEONE WORKING DAY AND NIGHT TRYING TO GET MORE CLIENTS THAT ARE POST TIME ...
SO DON'T TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE POST UP PLAYERS ...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by daddyincr:
Date Description Risk/Win Amount Balance Placed User/Phone
BALANCE FORWARD 0
Ticket #1592074 Racing ticket #33426Jun-13 LDN R6 600.00 USD WPS 4 WIN 1800/0 10680 10680 Jun-1305:36:05p HORSEMAN/0
Ticket #1592075 Racing ticket #33427Jun-13 LDN R6 150.00 USD EXX 4,6,7 WIN 900/0 10500 21180 Jun-1305:36:06p HORSEMAN/0
gentlemen--here is a copy of the ticket where you can see the bet was placed at 5.36pm -- 6 minutes after post. by the way, sir,the teller, your information is inaccurate--as are your opinions. facts cannot be disputed--come to the office--i'll show you proof he past post by 6 minutes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
YOU CAN PROVIDE THIS TIME OF NOTES HERE !! IS FINE, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD ... BUT IT TOOK YOU 4 WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE ALL THIS IN THE COMPUTER, YOU KNOW VERY WELL IS NOT REAL ... YOU HAVE PROGRAMERS WORKING THERE HAAAAA!!!
I WILL DRAG THE TRUTH ALL THE WAY !! SINCE THERE ARE CONTACTS MOVING IN COSTA RICA, AND WE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS ... I WILL MAKE SURE, NONE OF MY CLIENTS OR FRIENDS EVER DO BUSINESS WITH YOU ...
NOT AS AGENTS OR POST UP ...
There are many things about PLAYCR that soon will come up to light!!!
I wanna see what your reaction for this will be !!
Date Description Risk/Win Amount Balance Placed User/Phone
BALANCE FORWARD 0
Ticket #1592074 Racing ticket #33426Jun-13 LDN R6 600.00 USD WPS 4 WIN 1800/0 10680 10680 Jun-1305:36:05p HORSEMAN/0
Ticket #1592075 Racing ticket #33427Jun-13 LDN R6 150.00 USD EXX 4,6,7 WIN 900/0 10500 21180 Jun-1305:36:06p HORSEMAN/0
gentlemen--here is a copy of the ticket where you can see the bet was placed at 5.36pm -- 6 minutes after post. by the way, sir,the teller, your information is inaccurate--as are your opinions. facts cannot be disputed--come to the office--i'll show you proof he past post by 6 minutes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
YOU CAN PROVIDE THIS TIME OF NOTES HERE !! IS FINE, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD ... BUT IT TOOK YOU 4 WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE ALL THIS IN THE COMPUTER, YOU KNOW VERY WELL IS NOT REAL ... YOU HAVE PROGRAMERS WORKING THERE HAAAAA!!!
I WILL DRAG THE TRUTH ALL THE WAY !! SINCE THERE ARE CONTACTS MOVING IN COSTA RICA, AND WE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS ... I WILL MAKE SURE, NONE OF MY CLIENTS OR FRIENDS EVER DO BUSINESS WITH YOU ...
NOT AS AGENTS OR POST UP ...
There are many things about PLAYCR that soon will come up to light!!!
I wanna see what your reaction for this will be !!
First, i would like to know how someone even if he asked for a nickel though that risking five fifty was going to win five thousand, unless the line was even in which case i think i can see the problem with the clerk saying a nickel to win a nickel, but anyway, that's not the point here.
First, pretty fishy that the clerk did not give readback, when any standard horse clerk knows that this particular detail is maybe the most imortant part on a horse wager, if it is true that this is a solid shop, their clerk trainning doesn't show for it.
Second, if the player knows he's banned from the book, he's lucky to even have a chance to fight for his funds, i would have sent him packing, just based on the fact that he already knew he wasn't welcomed in my book.
Third, i agree that daddyincr could be more professional in his dealing, he has no need to lower himself by getting into the same name calling game, this, plus all situation are enough for me to stay away from this book.
Fourht, if the player knows he shouldn't be playing at this book, he should just go packing somewhere else, you already knew you couldn't play there, why even try? getting banned means you might not get paid if they find out.
First, pretty fishy that the clerk did not give readback, when any standard horse clerk knows that this particular detail is maybe the most imortant part on a horse wager, if it is true that this is a solid shop, their clerk trainning doesn't show for it.
Second, if the player knows he's banned from the book, he's lucky to even have a chance to fight for his funds, i would have sent him packing, just based on the fact that he already knew he wasn't welcomed in my book.
Third, i agree that daddyincr could be more professional in his dealing, he has no need to lower himself by getting into the same name calling game, this, plus all situation are enough for me to stay away from this book.
Fourht, if the player knows he shouldn't be playing at this book, he should just go packing somewhere else, you already knew you couldn't play there, why even try? getting banned means you might not get paid if they find out.
