Pinnacle's line -- is it really 8c?

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You're very welcome. And thanks, Halifax, for helping out.

Yes, that's the moral indeed. I'm also curious what people think of such a practice. I for one consider it unethical and would certainly outlaw it in a regulated gaming environment. True, an astute person can get around it, but it would nice if we astute people could just concentrate on the games and not on refreshing the screen to avoid getting screwed. Any other opinions?
 

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DP - I was on the phone and forgot all about this, I am sorry.
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WOW, I did not know this. This is very interesting, thanks guys. Nice little built in free roll for the house huh....
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
And thanks, Halifax, for helping out.

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No problem ... and from looking at my $10 ticket, GO ANAHEIM
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I thought I was the Sherlock Holmes around here.
Just the same good work guys, It makes sense, when I bet at Pinnacle, I never seem to see a game move my way within the next few minutes after I bet, but lots of times I check a game I just bet, and say "why did'nt I wait 2 minutes and save 2 or 3 cents, it happens all the time. If I bet early sometime I will see a game go my way later on, but never just after I bet, obviously I am not betting enough to mave the line myself at a big book like Pinnacle (200 -1000 per game) so my bet just goes into their chart for the particular side I play. From now on I will refresh at the last second and will let you guys know if I ever actually get a line move where I get the best of it, (doubtful).


Thanks, Wil.
 

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You got 60 seconds to place your bet regardless of the line move.
 

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Is that right? 60 seconds is great, at least you can be certain everything you bet is what you want. I know more than a few times over the years I have screwed up a bet (especially halftimes) trying to be quick and not lose my line. I have never played at Olympic, with football coming how do you think they compare to Pinnacle, if you don't mind the question.

Thanks, wil.
 

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This has happened to me numerous times...i'll enter a play..and get the screen "such and such time has elapsed...you need to refresh screen for any possible movements" and to my surprise (lol), the line i had just attempted to bet moved on me....shocker! Got me today at GA with Atl total..was at 8o-115 (approx)...after refresh it was 8.5 ev. Unreal how it always works like that..lol

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You got yours at +107 and I got mine at -117 which proves that Pinnacle accepts an old line if it is in their favor to do so. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Extremely unethical behavior by Pinnacle. This type of maneuver would cost them their license in any regulated environment.

They should be ashamed of themselves. I hope they have the decency to do something about this quickly.
 

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man this needs to get bumped a million times.. i hope everyone reads this and learns.

thanks guys!
 

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No lie here, I went to bet on the Tigers game at BlueMarlin this moring & BOOM the line magically moved 5 cents against me, so being completely annoying I decide to check out Pinnacle ...

the line moved twice the OTHER way in my favor between previewing, logging in & double checking & betting. Now why would BM being moving the opposite direction of Pinny???
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Great info guys, this can save many people thousands of dollars over the course of the year. Again thanks for the experiment and the proof. My question is, what are the books doing about this? Please let me know!
 

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I've noticed the same thing several times. I think you have to take into consideration the size of the book, the type of players they have, and bottom line, what it takes to move a number at a particular book. Take CRIS for example, some guys can bet 10k on a game and not move a line at all, some of their other players (wise guys) bet say 2k and they move 5 or 6 cents, maybe more. I don't know much about Blue Marlin, but most likely they do a lot less volume than Pinnacle and move their numbers most likely on air instead of action (only guessing). Pinnacle being enormous is in better position to move on money bet, not having to rely on the Don Best screen.


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Great info. I agree with the comment "in a regulated environment" this would be a license issue.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the few seconds required to confirm a bet doesn't Pinnacle make and warn about a line change if it goes against you?
 

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Woody,

Yes, they do. If the move is against you, you will learn about it real quick. We don't need proof for that because it happens to everyone many times a day. What people only suspected up to now, and now know for a fact, is that they remain silent when the line moves in your favor. They just pretend the line never changed and hope you don't notice that you got screwed.

It's really hard to catch them on this, because even if you had 100 bets rejected and they all went the wrong way (none in which the line actually got better) that still doesn't count as proof. In our example, we had a line that changed at 1:22 and they still accepted the old line at 1:30 because it was in their favor to do so. Eight minutes is a very long time. In the other direction, the bet is rejected in an instant. In this direction, who knows how long they'll accept the old, less favorable line!? It's at least 8 minutes, we know that much.

It's nice to see people finding the experiment interesting. I was debating not doing it because as long as I knew this was going on, I could just refresh often and keep a relative advantage over other bettors, but on further reflection I decided that the larger question of sportsbook fairness is much more important. I look forward to a day when sports betting has the same status as banking or insurance in terms of professionalism. If that means regulation, then so be it. If not, all the better. That would be good for all of us, myself included.

I should point out that other books like WSEX, Canbet, and sportsbook.com have a fair, symmetrical bet rejection policy ie. they reject it if the line moves no matter which way it goes. At least this is what my experience shows. There are no doubt lots of other books too, but these are the ones I know about for sure.
 

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Darryl:

An interesting thing happened to me yesterday - Pinnacle rejected one of my bets because of a line change. When I refreshed the lines, the line change had actually moved IN MY FAVOUR.

I wonder if this has happened to anyone else recently.
 

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interesting...since they have a banner on the top of the page, I wonder if this will be checked out by Rx mods.
 

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When the line moves during the time you place your bet and enter your password, you get the new line. A lot of time you end up with a better line, its not like they only kick back lines that are in their favor.

wil.
 

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