mods at least change the title of this thread to take Pinnacle out of the title.
Change it to
Sportsbook getting back to me on a confirmed wager and Im concerned they will cancel it
or somthing like that. To drag Pinnacle headline is just not right.
Change it to
Sportsbook getting back to me on a confirmed wager and Im concerned they will cancel it
or somthing like that. To drag Pinnacle headline is just not right.
There is no question that pinnacle has plenty of money and is a good book. Who cares if someone posts something bad about pinnacle. They can defend themselves. Do you think pinnacle would care if you were broke and living on the street. You guys are fixated on pinnacle. If the main man over at pinnacle said he was a little horny and would like to do your wife, you guys would be honored that they chose your wife. Lets stop the insanity, they are just another book. Get a life guys
I think this is more or less a premature ejaculation post. You get Homer Newbie, who will not reveal anything, who supposedly has a beef with Pinnacle. Instead of giving Pinny adequate time to resolve it, he posts, with zero information. Just like the investment banker guy. In reality this is not about defending Pinny, but posting before you should. You know how many disputes or problems I have had with books over the years? Probably as many as most of you. Here is my conflict resolution guidelines.
1. Notify customer service you have a problem. Wager graded wrong, Bonus Play graded push and not returned. That was me yesterday. Or whatever the beef is. How long do they have for an acknowledgement? I would say a couple of hours depending on the situation. More if it is an ongoing situation. Slow pay?
2. Wait for them to give you an official response. If it is not to your satisfaction, you escalate to a manager. 99% of mine have already been corrected. Again, no post is required.
3. Here is where the rubber meets the road. You are still dissatisfied. By all means, E-mail a moderator. Ask them for assistance. I am not saying keep it from the board, but up until this juncture, it could be resolved and everyone here was involved for nothing. A moderator, correct me if I am wrong here, is a liason at this point. I think it is best for both parties to come to an agreement with the moderator assisting.
4. Still no results. Then post by all means. At that ppoint you have exhausted your options, and have no choice. Also the moderator involved, who has more credibilty than Homer Newbie can elaborate.
This would prevent someone crying wolf, agitating the forum and causing needless hate and discontent. I think that it is Pinny is just a side issue. Who was the investment banker after? CRIS? People/posters abuse this site, and should manage their own issues with the structures the books have in place. You do not sick your watchdog on an innocent pedestrian strolling by your home do you? Best Wishes...OF
1. Notify customer service you have a problem. Wager graded wrong, Bonus Play graded push and not returned. That was me yesterday. Or whatever the beef is. How long do they have for an acknowledgement? I would say a couple of hours depending on the situation. More if it is an ongoing situation. Slow pay?
2. Wait for them to give you an official response. If it is not to your satisfaction, you escalate to a manager. 99% of mine have already been corrected. Again, no post is required.
3. Here is where the rubber meets the road. You are still dissatisfied. By all means, E-mail a moderator. Ask them for assistance. I am not saying keep it from the board, but up until this juncture, it could be resolved and everyone here was involved for nothing. A moderator, correct me if I am wrong here, is a liason at this point. I think it is best for both parties to come to an agreement with the moderator assisting.
4. Still no results. Then post by all means. At that ppoint you have exhausted your options, and have no choice. Also the moderator involved, who has more credibilty than Homer Newbie can elaborate.
This would prevent someone crying wolf, agitating the forum and causing needless hate and discontent. I think that it is Pinny is just a side issue. Who was the investment banker after? CRIS? People/posters abuse this site, and should manage their own issues with the structures the books have in place. You do not sick your watchdog on an innocent pedestrian strolling by your home do you? Best Wishes...OF
The issue has been acknowledged by Pinnacle via email to me and they did not seem to concerned over it. Had they told me it is poppycock and given me good reason or even the problem, maybe I would have removed to proper area already. There is an issue and Pinnacle is very aware. I did not ask alot of questions. The player has not contacted me and Pinnacle reacted politey when messaged.
Good post OF. Those guidelines should be stickied at the top of the forum.
As for for this guy, the funny thing to me is he even did the vague posting wrong. If you MUST post very early in a dispute, the proper way to make a vague post is to post all of the bet details, but leave the sportsbook out until you have talked to them. That way no ones name gets dragged through the mud, and the forum population can give you an idea of what the likely ruling should be should there still be a dispute after contacting the book.
As for for this guy, the funny thing to me is he even did the vague posting wrong. If you MUST post very early in a dispute, the proper way to make a vague post is to post all of the bet details, but leave the sportsbook out until you have talked to them. That way no ones name gets dragged through the mud, and the forum population can give you an idea of what the likely ruling should be should there still be a dispute after contacting the book.
The myopia from so many "knowledgeable" posters is amazing.
Granted the Posts have been vague, and maybe this is nothing. BUt The General contacted them and they didn't blow it off with an off handed explanation. I gather they didn't explain it at all. So it is more than likely a technicality. Maybe a past post or a software glitch or something.
But to crucify the guy because he brought something up is amazing.
I read and see things on this place that astound me sometimes. Principles go to all these foriegnn books, root in the trough with the big wigs, say they are a "class operation", "deep pockets", "solid as they come" and six months later they are belly up and people are left holding their balls.
There have been times when so called "class posters" have taken money out of books they knew were in trouoble, didn't say anything until they were safe, came in, then posted messages that were just as cryptic as this one, and because they are who they are no one questions UNTIL, they found out the truth and the timing of everything.
Bottomline is these places are not that great for watchdogging. Everyone is watching ot for number one. Sometimes you may hear something that is true, but more than likely by the time you hear it, it is too late.
But to think just because Pinnacle is Pinnacle and couldn't possibly have a problem is laughable. They book bets, and they gamble. There is no way a book can have the best line both ways and not be gambling. But as I mentioned in a previous post, that is their niche. They know that they will get the scalp action on both sides, and as long as they are reletively even they will make money.
I am not sure of their futures aspect. But I have crushed them for some serious money the past year, as I am sure a few others have. And I don't care how deep a books pockets are, when they are paying out 25-1 SB teams, and 125-1 WS teams, and 40-1 NBA teams that all adds up. They obviously take money on the losers, but not so sure if odds like that really balance out. Shit I got Fla at 75-1 last year at this time to just win the NLCS, and they were tied with Phi in the wild card, and Phi was only 9-2. And I know a lot of guys who got on that one, since it went to about 10-1 after I posted it.
The truth is no one really knows how these places operate, it is all speculation. Even when guys go down and check them out they have no idea. Even when these guys are supposedly saavy at spotting polished turds. How many places have been visited by people then gone belly up? I know of at least 3 right off the top of my head, and there are probably more since I haven't been around all that much lately.
Granted the Posts have been vague, and maybe this is nothing. BUt The General contacted them and they didn't blow it off with an off handed explanation. I gather they didn't explain it at all. So it is more than likely a technicality. Maybe a past post or a software glitch or something.
But to crucify the guy because he brought something up is amazing.
I read and see things on this place that astound me sometimes. Principles go to all these foriegnn books, root in the trough with the big wigs, say they are a "class operation", "deep pockets", "solid as they come" and six months later they are belly up and people are left holding their balls.
There have been times when so called "class posters" have taken money out of books they knew were in trouoble, didn't say anything until they were safe, came in, then posted messages that were just as cryptic as this one, and because they are who they are no one questions UNTIL, they found out the truth and the timing of everything.
Bottomline is these places are not that great for watchdogging. Everyone is watching ot for number one. Sometimes you may hear something that is true, but more than likely by the time you hear it, it is too late.
But to think just because Pinnacle is Pinnacle and couldn't possibly have a problem is laughable. They book bets, and they gamble. There is no way a book can have the best line both ways and not be gambling. But as I mentioned in a previous post, that is their niche. They know that they will get the scalp action on both sides, and as long as they are reletively even they will make money.
I am not sure of their futures aspect. But I have crushed them for some serious money the past year, as I am sure a few others have. And I don't care how deep a books pockets are, when they are paying out 25-1 SB teams, and 125-1 WS teams, and 40-1 NBA teams that all adds up. They obviously take money on the losers, but not so sure if odds like that really balance out. Shit I got Fla at 75-1 last year at this time to just win the NLCS, and they were tied with Phi in the wild card, and Phi was only 9-2. And I know a lot of guys who got on that one, since it went to about 10-1 after I posted it.
The truth is no one really knows how these places operate, it is all speculation. Even when guys go down and check them out they have no idea. Even when these guys are supposedly saavy at spotting polished turds. How many places have been visited by people then gone belly up? I know of at least 3 right off the top of my head, and there are probably more since I haven't been around all that much lately.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wantitall4moi:
The myopia from so many "knowledgeable" posters is amazing.
Granted the Posts have been vague, and maybe this is nothing. BUt The General contacted them and they didn't blow it off with an off handed explanation. I gather they didn't explain it at all. So it is more than likely a technicality. Maybe a past post or a software glitch or something.
But to crucify the guy because he brought something up is amazing.
I read and see things on this place that astound me sometimes. Principles go to all these foriegnn books, root in the trough with the big wigs, say they are a "class operation", "deep pockets", "solid as they come" and six months later they are belly up and people are left holding their balls.
There have been times when so called "class posters" have taken money out of books they knew were in trouoble, didn't say anything until they were safe, came in, then posted messages that were just as cryptic as this one, and because they are who they are no one questions UNTIL, they found out the truth and the timing of everything.
Bottomline is these places are not that great for watchdogging. Everyone is watching ot for number one. Sometimes you may hear something that is true, but more than likely by the time you hear it, it is too late.
But to think just because Pinnacle is Pinnacle and couldn't possibly have a problem is laughable. They book bets, and they gamble. There is no way a book can have the best line both ways and not be gambling. But as I mentioned in a previous post, that is their niche. They know that they will get the scalp action on both sides, and as long as they are reletively even they will make money.
I am not sure of their futures aspect. But I have crushed them for some serious money the past year, as I am sure a few others have. And I don't care how deep a books pockets are, when they are paying out 25-1 SB teams, and 125-1 WS teams, and 40-1 NBA teams that all adds up. They obviously take money on the losers, but not so sure if odds like that really balance out. Shit I got Fla at 75-1 last year at this time to just win the NLCS, and they were tied with Phi in the wild card, and Phi was only 9-2. And I know a lot of guys who got on that one, since it went to about 10-1 after I posted it.
The truth is no one really knows how these places operate, it is all speculation. Even when guys go down and check them out they have no idea. Even when these guys are supposedly saavy at spotting polished turds. How many places have been visited by people then gone belly up? I know of at least 3 right off the top of my head, and there are probably more since I haven't been around all that much lately.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You make some good points. However, to say that the majority of guys who come on as first time posters are not full of shit exemplifies your myopia. Don't you find it just a little incongruent that the majority of these types of posts come from guys who are first time posters? For you to disacknowledge that is laughable.
The myopia from so many "knowledgeable" posters is amazing.
Granted the Posts have been vague, and maybe this is nothing. BUt The General contacted them and they didn't blow it off with an off handed explanation. I gather they didn't explain it at all. So it is more than likely a technicality. Maybe a past post or a software glitch or something.
But to crucify the guy because he brought something up is amazing.
I read and see things on this place that astound me sometimes. Principles go to all these foriegnn books, root in the trough with the big wigs, say they are a "class operation", "deep pockets", "solid as they come" and six months later they are belly up and people are left holding their balls.
There have been times when so called "class posters" have taken money out of books they knew were in trouoble, didn't say anything until they were safe, came in, then posted messages that were just as cryptic as this one, and because they are who they are no one questions UNTIL, they found out the truth and the timing of everything.
Bottomline is these places are not that great for watchdogging. Everyone is watching ot for number one. Sometimes you may hear something that is true, but more than likely by the time you hear it, it is too late.
But to think just because Pinnacle is Pinnacle and couldn't possibly have a problem is laughable. They book bets, and they gamble. There is no way a book can have the best line both ways and not be gambling. But as I mentioned in a previous post, that is their niche. They know that they will get the scalp action on both sides, and as long as they are reletively even they will make money.
I am not sure of their futures aspect. But I have crushed them for some serious money the past year, as I am sure a few others have. And I don't care how deep a books pockets are, when they are paying out 25-1 SB teams, and 125-1 WS teams, and 40-1 NBA teams that all adds up. They obviously take money on the losers, but not so sure if odds like that really balance out. Shit I got Fla at 75-1 last year at this time to just win the NLCS, and they were tied with Phi in the wild card, and Phi was only 9-2. And I know a lot of guys who got on that one, since it went to about 10-1 after I posted it.
The truth is no one really knows how these places operate, it is all speculation. Even when guys go down and check them out they have no idea. Even when these guys are supposedly saavy at spotting polished turds. How many places have been visited by people then gone belly up? I know of at least 3 right off the top of my head, and there are probably more since I haven't been around all that much lately.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You make some good points. However, to say that the majority of guys who come on as first time posters are not full of shit exemplifies your myopia. Don't you find it just a little incongruent that the majority of these types of posts come from guys who are first time posters? For you to disacknowledge that is laughable.
Everyone has to start somewhere. But to me it is at least a legtimate complaint. So a guy doesn't want everyone to know who he might be.
Since he hasn't made any outlandish statements or gotten into long diatribes about Pinnacle gives a little more wieght to his argument.
If the guy was a first timer and posted this, and then after a day he had 50 posts pissing and moaning or pointing out negatives, then yes, one could assume he was a shit stirrer, but not the case here.
Since he hasn't made any outlandish statements or gotten into long diatribes about Pinnacle gives a little more wieght to his argument.
If the guy was a first timer and posted this, and then after a day he had 50 posts pissing and moaning or pointing out negatives, then yes, one could assume he was a shit stirrer, but not the case here.
And one more thing, when did it become the "in" thing to post everyone's posts in quotes?
Not just you, but in all the posts I have read lately, everyone starts out their posts with someone elses post above it.
I mean most guys know whom the responce is aimed at, if not then adreess the person. But like I say, it isn't you, and it isn't even this post. It is the whole board in general.
Not just you, but in all the posts I have read lately, everyone starts out their posts with someone elses post above it.
I mean most guys know whom the responce is aimed at, if not then adreess the person. But like I say, it isn't you, and it isn't even this post. It is the whole board in general.
some of you should make sure you got some lube for your wife, just in case pinnacle calls and wants a piece of your wife. After they are done, it will be like throwing a aluminum bat in a empty garage. I am sure some of you guys will post about how much your wife liked it. "Pinnacle a great book with great lines and they can satisfy your wife for you." This has to be one of the dumbest topics on hear.
[This message was edited by ivanm on June 26, 2004 at 04:26 PM.]
[This message was edited by ivanm on June 26, 2004 at 04:26 PM.]
All for moi, how can it be a legitimate complaint? Do you know what it is? Does the General? I have no clue what this complaint even is. Would you be willing to make a line it is legit? Speculation and rumor, all clouded in secrecy. I like you Moi, but this thread is sad, and you backing him up is even worse. I am a cynic by nature, please present the facts or I am going to be cynical. It becomes more like a witch hunt. And only naming the witch without a real accusation. Answer me this MOI, what is the purpose of posting this? Who benefits from it? Would it be better to post after all facts could be posted? Just wondering...Best Wishes...OF
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If were some psycho starting trouble, then I am sure Pin would have said something to that effect.
also since they are an advertiser here now, a call from a rep of the rx should carry a little wieght, especially if the call is to tell them that someone is complaining about them.
Pinnnacle's reaction was that hey were aware of it, and no further comment was given. At least according to the general. If it were a claim that had no basis or no foundation then I am sure Pnnacle wouldhave made that well known. But they didn't.
Again, the way it sounds to me is there might be a software glitch or some sort of past posting play that won, and Pinnacle is deciding whether it was on their end or not. And whether or not to pay it.
I like Pinnacle as much as the other guy, but everyone has to be realistic as well.
As far as benefits, I don't know. At least until the whole truth comes out, if it does. I hope it does from one source or another.
I am as cynical as anyone, but the actions taken by the poster in this case aren't the typical actions of someone with an agenda.
Pinnacle is nearly beyond reproach, and it would take a lot more than a post like this to make a difference. BUT if there is something amiss then everyone benefits. But like I said before, by that time it is usually too late.
Also as mentioned I have taken a lot of money from Pinnacle this past year, (also put a bit back in) but when I requested my pay outs they were ALWAYS made within 36 hours, generally within 24. But that doesn't mean they are a bottomless pit.
But this is a wager problem, not a pay out problem, that is why I think it is more a technical issue than a real problem.
But I just get tired of seeing so many people think that there can't be a problem. Even if this isn't a problem, for people to think it is impossible haven't learned much from the places that have folded.
If were some psycho starting trouble, then I am sure Pin would have said something to that effect.
also since they are an advertiser here now, a call from a rep of the rx should carry a little wieght, especially if the call is to tell them that someone is complaining about them.
Pinnnacle's reaction was that hey were aware of it, and no further comment was given. At least according to the general. If it were a claim that had no basis or no foundation then I am sure Pnnacle wouldhave made that well known. But they didn't.
Again, the way it sounds to me is there might be a software glitch or some sort of past posting play that won, and Pinnacle is deciding whether it was on their end or not. And whether or not to pay it.
I like Pinnacle as much as the other guy, but everyone has to be realistic as well.
As far as benefits, I don't know. At least until the whole truth comes out, if it does. I hope it does from one source or another.
I am as cynical as anyone, but the actions taken by the poster in this case aren't the typical actions of someone with an agenda.
Pinnacle is nearly beyond reproach, and it would take a lot more than a post like this to make a difference. BUT if there is something amiss then everyone benefits. But like I said before, by that time it is usually too late.
Also as mentioned I have taken a lot of money from Pinnacle this past year, (also put a bit back in) but when I requested my pay outs they were ALWAYS made within 36 hours, generally within 24. But that doesn't mean they are a bottomless pit.
But this is a wager problem, not a pay out problem, that is why I think it is more a technical issue than a real problem.
But I just get tired of seeing so many people think that there can't be a problem. Even if this isn't a problem, for people to think it is impossible haven't learned much from the places that have folded.
