Pinacle how can you survive with 105.

WalkofLife · Dec 1, 2003

There are some interesting posts in this thread. Let's try to create a consensus on what has been said so far. Pinnacle can pull out the -105, because:

1.A different business model;They pioneered and currently book most of the reduced juice market. Their business model seems to be very succesful, simply because they allure the player into a hard number by manipulating the juice. The General gave us a very good example.

2.Middling the market?This juice manipulation attracts an infinity of middlers and scalpers. These middlers don't mind losing to Pinny, as long as the winning leg of the middle cashes in. Could we safely say that Pinny is middling other books?

3.ARBITRAGING;Pinny is anything but old school booking. The guys are ARBITRAGING. That's why they have to bet out. It's called risk management. Spiros set the path, Pinny maximized the number manipulation. Pinny is not bookmaking in the strictly sense of the word. They're using your money to make themselves filthy rich. In which other industry could these guys get the Return on Investment they get gambling? Over a 90% ROI in a winning bet.

4.Variety of solid, original and opinionated linesPinny.com is all about betting. No bonuses, no Match Plays, no nothing. Just log in, bet and get the hell out. BTW, they do invest a lot of funds getting the best info on sports that money can buy. They offer a tremendous variety of lines and these lines are the result of a sharp, sharp helm.

5.VOLUME

Seems to be a simple formula. Those of you that have understood the way Pinny makes money, are taking those lines to the bank.

Dante · Dec 1, 2003

Solid Post Walk...

Fezzik · Dec 1, 2003

Why Pinny cleans house.

The line is 6 "everywhere". Some pro gamblers all love the dog +6. So does Pinny.

They deal the +6 Stopper, -111. The favorite is -6 +101.

All the schmuck Pro bettors (like me) desperately try to get the dog +6, -105 and maybe a little +6.5 -110, and some +6, -107.
And we win in the long run. But not that much.

Pinny writes 100k of -6 +101 money. So they effectively are "betting" +6 -101, getting the side they love, betting into 1 cent vig.

Real tough to lose doing that if you have any competence.

Once they get their position, if they wish, they can roll the line back to a somewhat more neutral +6, -106 and schmucks like me will grab it, and they will earn 5 cents on all the wagers if they want to limit risk, or just keep their position and make money in the long run by hitting 52% of their handicapped plays.

Railbird · Dec 1, 2003

Great Post Fezzik,

All books would book like this if they had any competence. Also these guys bet out at places like Betfair when they need, which most Americans dont have access to do.

IntuitionBET · Dec 1, 2003

Walk - You hit the nail on the head.

In other words pinnacle knows what they are doing.

They are a very solid place to gamble. And your money if SAFE there. Bottom Line.

And you won't win anymore or lose any less gambling at Pinnacle.....
Either you place a bet that wins or you place a bet that loses. It's your decision and it's your bet.

Some posters above think you can't win at Pinnacle and that's NOT TRUE. As it's the player and not the book.