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Of course some people work harder than others, I was raised on an Irish American work ethic so there's very little you could tell me about that.

At the same time yes socio-economic discrimination does exist, a product of the system, well I don't know if I say that but a factor yes.
 

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Yes, Kaya, it has nothing to do with some people working harder than others. That's totally out of the question. They must just be a product of the "system". That's really what you think? My goodness
Work harder at what, screwing other people. I've worked with my hands my whole life. I've worked HARD, I'm not rich. I have no stomach for increasing my personal wealth on the backs of others.
Nothing more disgusting than a bunch of paper pushers, wheelers and dealers talking about hard work.
 

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Just face it, you don't believe in capitalism. You don't believe in rugged individualism. You want everybody to have equal outcome, no matter how much risk they take, or how hard they work. You seem to think pounding nails, which alot of people can do, should pay as well as being a brain surgeon. Don't deny, because that's what you're saying. It didn't work in the Soviet Union. It won't work here. Wake up.
 

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Capitalism is an ugly system but the best we've found so far, unregulated capitalists become monsters such as United Fruit and what they did in Latin America.

Nobody said anything about equalizing anybody, can you read kid??? We were talking about the highest earners paying their fair share, not knocking them down in socio-economic status.
 

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Just face it, you don't believe in capitalism. You don't believe in rugged individualism. You want everybody to have equal outcome, no matter how much risk they take, or how hard they work. You seem to think pounding nails, which alot of people can do, should pay as well as being a brain surgeon. Don't deny, because that's what you're saying. It didn't work in the Soviet Union. It won't work here. Wake up.
Mullet head please quit trying to interpret what I say. If you don't understand that's fine just quit twisting my words.
 

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posted by JinnRikki:
I have no stomach for increasing my personal wealth on the backs of others.
Nothing more disgusting than a bunch of paper pushers, wheelers and dealers talking about hard work.
If management is so easy, why do so many companies fail?

posted by kaya man:
Capitalism is an ugly system but the best we've found so far, unregulated capitalists become monsters such as United Fruit and what they did in Latin America.
Regulation is the opposite of capitalism. Your example btw is hysterical, given that absent governments propping up UF it never would have gotten as powerful as it did.

Nobody said anything about equalizing anybody, can you read kid??? We were talking about the highest earners paying their fair share, not knocking them down in socio-economic status.
Why aren't bananas, Cadillac limousines, aquarium aerators, etc. all subject to this "fair share" pricing model?


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If management is so easy, why do so many companies fail?
Why, when so many companies fail, do managers get golden parachutes to the tune of millions of $?
Why is failure rewarded in the business world?
Why do we have a management failure as our presdent?

I wasn't thinking about managers anyway. I was directing it more toward the people that play the stockmarket and call it work. Or the folks that enter politics to "make a difference", (make a difference in the size of their wallets).
 
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Redneckman said:
Just face it, you don't believe in capitalism. You don't believe in rugged individualism. You want everybody to have equal outcome, no matter how much risk they take, or how hard they work. You seem to think pounding nails, which alot of people can do, should pay as well as being a brain surgeon. Don't deny, because that's what you're saying. It didn't work in the Soviet Union. It won't work here. Wake up.
The US is more corporatist than it is capitalist. So not believing in the American model isn't necessarily a rejection of capitalism, nor is it an endorsement of socialism. Plenty of ideologies out there.
 

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Get a clue, kaya, seems to me people who are winners of life's lottery paying 39% of their income to the federal government is "enough". By taxing them at confiscatory income tax rates, that's exactly what you're doing, is knocking them down from their socio economic status. You ever get a job from a poor guy?
 

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Redneckman said:
Get a clue, kaya, seems to me people who are winners of life's lottery paying 39% of their income to the federal government is "enough". By taxing them at confiscatory income tax rates, that's exactly what you're doing, is knocking them down from their socio economic status. You ever get a job from a poor guy?
If you know anyone in that 39% tax bracket and they're ACTUALLY paying 39%, tell them I will do their taxes for them and save them some money.
You're a funny guy, talkin' about get a clue.:biglaugh:
 

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Why, when so many companies fail, do managers get golden parachutes to the tune of millions of $?
Why is failure rewarded in the business world?
Why do we have a management failure as our presdent?
I think that you are mistaking exceptions for the rule.

I wasn't thinking about managers anyway. I was directing it more toward the people that play the stockmarket and call it work. Or the folks that enter politics to "make a difference", (make a difference in the size of their wallets).
Sorry; I guess I misunderstood the context of the preceding sentence.


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Hey Rikki you're right, your buddy Teresa Heinz paid at about a 10% rate. Maybe she should pay her "fair share". What did John Kerry deduct for charitable contributions, $800? But you are the compassionate party. Hypocrites
 

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xpanda, a point well taken. When one rejects market forces, which is what Kayaman is preaching, I'm sure you would agree that you are tilting more toward socialism than capitalism.
 

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Hey Rikki you're right, your buddy Teresa Heinz paid at about a 10% rate. Maybe she should pay her "fair share". What did John Kerry deduct for charitable contributions, $800? But you are the compassionate party. Hypocrites
What party are you talking about neck? I'm not constrained to one parties ideology like you obviously are. If you want to think I'm a democrat that's OK. Much rather be associated with them than the republicans. And you're right the Heinz Kerrys don't pay enough. If you investigate though I can promise you they gave more than 800$ to charity.
 

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John Kerry declared charitable contributions of $800 on his most recently filed tax return. Wow the would be leader of the democratic party is compassionate. He cares.
 

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Rikki, I'm more of a libertiarian ilk than a republican, but they, along with the kook green party, constitution party, and every other party out there have no shot, so they aren't worth talking about.
 

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