Panther - I told you the exact same thing the first night on the phone brother I am saying today. You are on a gambling board, people have done this for a long time (for the most part) and not one of your reasons not to pay is valid. NOBODY WILL BUY IT!! Doesn't matter if he held your bets or put them in for you or not, doesn't matter if he is a stiff or not, doesn't matter if you feel you wouldn't have gotten paid had you won (you never did win), bottom line is you bet and you lost! When that happens you pay! The first night I even got you to agree to pay some of it, why would you pay that if you knew I wasn't right? So don't come in with this Irish/SeaUrchin stuff, I have no respect for him either. I see why you guys hung out at Vegas so much, you two are just alike in more ways than you realize.
In closing I don't go for the clique stuff. Before I was a mod here I visited several sites and spoke what I thought on every issue. I don't play the positive reinforcement game where if you agree with me on one issue then I must agree with you on the next issue. I speak what I think and move on. People I get along with understand this and I understand the same in them. I come to sites because I gamble and to learn, not because I want on-line friends. On this issue I am FAR from a Sea fan but the fact is he is right, you OWE him that money. Other that that he's been wrong on everything he has done in this situation as well. Trust me I have seen the true colors of both of you guys, not for me. My experience is when you piss both sides off on any one issue you have probably called it fairly. I'm completely happy with my stance on this from day one until today......