One of the biggest reasons Sportsbooks fail

[chips]

Looking for a simple answer, name an offshore sportsbook that started in 1988, if you can do that, I am big enough to admit I am wrong, but I just dont see that name comming up.

Joey, never was in DR, wrote in NY till I was forced out in early 1997, got set up for foots that season in MArgarita.

 

[GringoinCR]

Off the top of my head -

CRIS
Grande

Dial a bet might have been in the late 80's. Not sure on that one.

I don't know what Mickey Wheels called his book.

You asked for one. I gave you two. I'm sure there were more.

 

[chips]

By the way, this is the biggest problem with this forum and its the main reason I dont post here that much, it was a simple thread sharing some insights to people of the forum about the downfall of some books and one of the many reasons is the lack of qualified help. It has been turned into SuperWimp challenging me to see who has a sharper line, making 44 million dollars last year(LMAO), Gringo in CR claiming an offshore explosion before 1990 and me being anywhere from a newbie to an old timer, depending on who you ask, its actually pretty funny!

 

[IntuitionBET]

Patrick McIrish <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> quote:
Originally posted by Intuition BET:
One of the MAIN reasons books fail is because someone at the TOP has a very BIG childish _EGO_ and it causes them to make very _Foolish and UNPROFESSIONAL decisions _based on that EGO.

With that said how can they really make good business decisions?

_When a leader let's his EGO guide him_ and the company...it ALWAYS sets the WRONG course for success but _the right course for FAILURE_



I WILL NOT LISTEN TO MUCH OF THIS TALK ABOUT SHRINK WHILE HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're kidding...right? This was directed towards sportsbooks...NOT Shrink

 

[BallRash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>By the way, this is the biggest problem with this forum and its the main reason I dont post here that much, it was a simple thread sharing some insights to people of the forum about the downfall of some books and one of the many reasons is the lack of qualified help. It has been turned into SuperWimp challenging me to see who has a sharper line, making 44 million dollars last year(LMAO), Gringo in CR claiming an offshore explosion before 1990 and me being anywhere from a newbie to an old timer, depending on who you ask, its actually pretty funny! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

surely you didn't expect us to just bend over and take your bullshit up the ass did ya

 

[GringoinCR]

I already admitted the explosion happened in 1996 - 1997 when everyone jumped on the band wagon.

You stated that the first offshore book opened in 1994. That is incorrect. The first offshore book opened in the 1980's. You seem to have an issue admitting that.

 

[chips]

Too funny Gringo, CRIS was Caribi just 4 years ago and now they have been an offshore book since 1988??? LOL, Do you know what CRIS stands for??? I believe the words Costa Rica are in there somewhere, which wouldnt quite fit a book in Dominican Republic now would it??? I believe Grande didnt even take post ups till 2 years ago and wasnt named Grande in 1988, try again please. E-Z bets with DH was one of the 1st and you are right there with Dial-a-Bet, throw in Rich's Superbook and maybe Top Turf, all thiose started out in the DR but none before 1990! We have established there was some ticket writing going on in DR but find me a book in 1988???

 

[chips]

Hey Ball Rash, bullshit??? LOL, I forgot more about this biz then you will ever know, its a great circle jerk you got going here.

 

[JoeyC]

Chips:

Where are you going with this conversation?

It seems like a fukking circle...

 

[GringoinCR]

Grande was always called Grande and they were taking bets, offshore, in the 80's. What is it with you and post up, wu, software. OFFSHORE IS OFFSHORE.

CRIS stands for Costa Rica International Sports. They did come up with that name when they moved to Costa Rica in the early 90's. They were the first book in Costa Rica. But they opened up in the 80's.

Nissan started out as Datsun. Still the same car company.

 

[chips]

Where Am I going with it?? No where, it seems to be a bunch of others spinning it in a circle, lets see I make a post and then I am looking for work, I am a mover that cant get down enough, I am challenged to a sharpest line contest, I am told there were many books offshore in 1988, and on and on. Take the advice from someone who may have a little to add, it might help you, but there are some late night jerkoffs that turn every thread into something way off the point, going to jave a drink, the late games are off, I will read the comedy replies when I get in tomarrow.

 

[JoeyC]

Chips:

No disrespect to any of you guys, but I got fukking dizzy reading this thread.

I'm gonna eat my dinner now.

Best of luck to all

JC

 

[chips]

"CRIS stands for Costa Rica International Sports. They did come up with that name when they moved to Costa Rica in the early 90's."

Does the name Caribi ring a bell, what is CRIS today was Caribi just 4-5 years ago, so CRIS wasnt the name in earlie 90's more half truths, take it easy guys, see you in the morning!

 

[GringoinCR]

Grande was always called Grande and they were taking bets, offshore, in the 80's. What is it with you and post up, wu, software. OFFSHORE IS OFFSHORE.

CRIS stands for Costa Rica International Sports. They did come up with that name when they moved to Costa Rica in the early 90's. They were the first book in Costa Rica. But they opened up in the 80's.

Nissan started out as Datsun. Still the same car company.

 

[BallRash]

he chipsy,

call me a "ball rash" but I take great insult being called a jerkoff

 

[TTinCO]

It's the damn teeth whitener I'm telling ya. All these people invested in this teeth whitener, Johnny Law came riding in on horses, and everyone skipped town!!!!!!

(LOL....I'll stop now)

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

IB - yeah I was joking, sorry. Thought you could tell I was messing around. Weak attempt at humor I suppose.

 

[CMCS]

Gringo,

Grande wasn't called Grande until '97 when they needed a name for their book to appear on the Don Best screen so they used a nickname of a guy who represented them in Vegas at the time. The book as known today was formed just before that big Dominican bust in August '93 that nabbed Ron and sent Monte taking over stateside for the group later to be known as Caribi and as CRIS when Ron came back.Grande didn't begin a consistent run in the Dominican until June '94.

Chips,

All these "Names" books now use were either for Don Best or to start accepting post ups. As Gringo says the core ownership was in the D.R. between 88-92 dealing with agents in the states on credit so just because they didn't take post ups doesn't mean they weren't an off shore book with 800 numbers. That was what was important then to be able to bet without risk of bust and toll free. The only posting up was with local agents who weren't comfortable with you as a player. Mickey Wheels, Frank Masterana,Ron and the people that Grande took over from later were all there in '89 as off shore books. In fact before Costa Rica Caribi (CRIS) set up in Venezuela and went to CR later as did Cascade and others in '95.

 

[chips]

CMCS, thank you for well informed post, one of the few in this thread. Gambling of some kind was around for centuries, so there will always somebody older that has been doing this for a long time, but the days of writing tickets have completely changed, if in a wire room in the Bronx or on in the Dominican it was the same thing, now introduce computer software, license, marketing and advertising, etc.. its a completely different ballgame now and that has only been around since 1994 or so, when I went offshore in 1997 I couldnt advertise as being in the business for 10yrs, although I may have been writing tickets and bookmaking in the Bronx for 10 yrs that isnt the same, nor would writing tickets in the Dominican Republic be the same. Until you started to accept post up money you really werent an established "offshore" book to Joe Square reading College and Pro Football weekly looking for a place to bet.

 

[GringoinCR]

Chips,

If you ask CRIS how long they have been in business they will tell you 20 years. It doesn't matter what their name was or what location they were in.

Nissan changed it's name from Datsun. It's still the same car company.

The difference between you writing tickets in NY and others writing tickets in the DR is location. The DR is "offshore". Offshore booking started in the 80's.

The post up books, advertising, software, that started in the 90's as you stated.