on the 'if you don't like it then leave'

[SampS]

Adam, the dumbness is endless...

 

[wolfie_cr]

withheld while I verify one little detail

 

[wolfie_cr]

"Costa Rica joined other Central American provinces in 1821 in a joint declaration of independence from Spain. After a brief time in the Mexican Empire of Agustín de Iturbide[/URL] Costa Rica became a state in the Federal Republic of Central America[/URL] from 1823 to 1839. In 1824 the capital was moved to San José[/URL], but violence briefly ensued through an intense rivalry with Cartago[/URL]. Although the newly independent provinces formed a Federation, border disputes broke out among them, adding to the region's turbulent history and conditions."

That sounds pretty clear to me but it contradicts what I was thought in highschool (the part about ever being part of the Mexican Empire at all
the sequence I know of is

a) Central America and Mexico were TOTALLY separate entities as far as Spain was concerned (Nueva España...ok I bother to use the 'ñ' ONCE )the same as Nueva Granada

in other words........Spain had this side of the World segregated into independent territories

b) what happened was that after Guatemala declared its independence there was of course lots of confusion about what to do.....but S&S you can just look it up and I remember this from highschool quite clearly.........by the time that the mess broke up about Iturbide ......his Empire had already collapsed in Mexico, its impossible to join an Empire that is already history
the part I had to verify were the actual dates
battle of Ochomogo (http://www.guiascostarica.com/cr16.htm ) april 5th , 1823, Iturbide was gone by March 9th

Its really hard to join an Empire that doesn't exist :smoker2:

 

[wolfie_cr]

Costa Rica could also celebrate its independence from Guatemala City.

you can't celebrate being independent from something you join voluntarily

 

[SampS]

Right! You pronounce Santa Ana how?

Secondly, I took advanced Latin American studies with text written from professors in both Central and South America. You don't understand your own history Wolfie and I feel sad for you.

You can bend the truth all you want, but its to late. You came off sounding like an "spin" idiot.

Now, this is the best you can come up with and of course you missed my post saying..."Historically speaking that's not far from the truth."

I guess it's par for the course.

Carry on with more dumbness. !~~~!

 

[wolfie_cr]

When Mexico rebelled against Spain in 1821, Costa Rica and the rest of Central America followed suit. Two years later, a faction in Costa Rica even opted to become part of Mexico, sparking a civil war in the country's center between four neighboring cities. After the republican cities of San Jose and Alajuela soundly defeated the pro-Mexican Heredia and Cartago, sovereignty was established.

I'm the retard Derek12? Go fuck yourself! !~~~!

I guess you got your answer Wolf and iwonbythehook...carry on being idiots of lies guys...

you guys are reading a story from a 3rd hand source.......pretty funny that now we have to ammend the version you guys are getting of OUR history ........its certainly true that many things get lost in the translation (in this case you guys have the lesser quality one)

 

[wolfie_cr]

Right! You pronounce Santa Ana how?

Secondly, I took advanced Latin American studies with text written from professors in both Central and South America. You don't understand your own history Wolfie and I feel sad for you.

You can bend the truth all you want, but its to late. You came off sounding like an "spin" idiot.

Now, this is the best you can come up with and of course you missed my post saying..."Historically speaking that's not far from the truth."

I guess it's par for the course.

Carry on with more dumbness. !~~~!

yep there was both a Anna and an Ana in the article, had to look it up as I suspected it was a 'Del Ray' moment

do you care to comment on the fact that the battle of Ochomogo between the ones that wanted to join Iturbide's Empire took place after his Empire collapse?

btw, thanks for the 'feeling sad part' its condescending and useless but it shows how you deal with a simple exchange of ideas

 

[SampS]

Amend history all you want because every country does it to feel better about itself.

Debate me Wolfie on my original statement. I was called a retard by Dick12 and yes I was being condescending to you because your come back was off target.

 

[wolfie_cr]

Amend history all you want because every country does it to feel better about itself.

Debate me Wolfie on my original statement. I was called a retard by Dick12 and yes I was being condescending to you because your come back was off target.

I am not ammending anything, I gave you a historical fact with a date and a reason why I don't believe we were ever part of Iturbide's Empire. I am SOMEHOW missing your knowledge and skills acquiring 'advanced studies'

I guess you are the one that seems to be 'slightly' far from the historical truth .......so much for those advanced studies.........

 

[AdamSelene]

you can't celebrate being independent from something you join voluntarily

Umm, yeah tell that to South Carolina or the rest of the Confederate States. They can't only because they lost. Costa Rica doesn't because there was no fight.

 

[SampS]

you guys are reading a story from a 3rd hand source.......pretty funny that now we have to ammend the version you guys are getting of OUR history ........its certainly true that many things get lost in the translation (in this case you guys have the lesser quality one)

Here you go stupid.

Dude, stop before it gets ugly, you're starting to sound like VWGolf.

If you want to comment on my point then I am glad to "share ideas" with you regarding it. Yes, CT that did sound pretty gay.

 

[wolfie_cr]

Here you go stupid.

exhibit "a"....irrefutable and 'advanced' proof that my statement "the battle of Ochomogo fought between the ones that wanted to join Iturbide's Empire ....and the ones that didn't ......took place AFTER the Empire itself COLLAPSED'

REPEAT AFTER ME: YOU CAN NOT JOIN AN EMPIRE THAT DOES NOT EXIST..........and besides the ones that wanted to join LOST!!!!

ROFLMAO @ 'before its gonna get ugly', what are you going to do? attack me with your cyber-gun?

go and ask for a refund of those advanced studies

 

[wolfie_cr]

Umm, yeah tell that to South Carolina or the rest of the Confederate States. They can't only because they lost. Costa Rica doesn't because there was no fight.

I thought that was secession not independence. They voluntarily joined.....and wanted to 'unjoin'

 

[wolfie_cr]

what I meant by 'amend' btw (excuse the spelling, I am still waking up from my siesta before heading to the gym) was the 3rd acception listed below


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that fault in this case has been proven.........you can't divorce someone that died before you were deciding if you were going to marry her (and even if you marry her the marriage would not be valid but by now its HISTORICALLY clear.....not a small cloud of doubt remains...that Iturbide's Empire was gone before the fight on 'to join or not join' broke up)

off to the gym :toast:

 

[AdamSelene]

REPEAT AFTER ME: YOU CAN NOT JOIN AN EMPIRE THAT DOES NOT EXIST

They didn't ask. Usually empires don't ask, they claim and conquer.

Iturbide's official title was "By Divine Providence and the National Congress, First Constitutional Emperor of Mexico" (Spanish: Por la Divina Providencia y por el Congreso de la Nación, Primer Emperador Constitucional de México). His coronation took place on 21 July 1822, in Mexico City. The territorial area of the Mexican Empire of 1821 was about 5,000,000 square kilometers, including everything from the Oregon–California border at 42nd latitude N, to the boundary with Panama (at that time, part of Colombia).

So the "not far from the truth" part is that Iturbide didn't maintain the empire long enough, and the 1824 Constitution of Mexico chose not to include you.

Had the Mexican loyalists won on April 5, 1823 they could have joined the United States of Mexico on October 4, 1824, although unlikely. So the measure of just how far is rather just how far Iturbide came from not losing power.

 

[AdamSelene]

I'm officially banning myself posting on TheRX (or anywhere else on the Internet); wasting too much time.

See you all in a few years.

 

[wolfie_cr]

They didn't ask. Usually empires don't ask, they claim and conquer.

In this specific case you had two provinces that wanted to join and two that didn't.....and then they had a one battle war.

So the "not far from the truth" part is that Iturbide didn't maintain the empire long enough, and the 1824 Constitution of Mexico chose not to include you.

Plus the small/relevant fact that there was already a decision here NOT to join them. You can't say something is 'not far from' when someone already said 'NO' .

Had the pro-monarchy side won the battle.......had Iturbide's Empire not collapsed........and had they decided to include us .....is much closer to 'NO , we were never part of that' than to 'not far from the truth'

 

[BronxCheer+]

I'm officially banning myself posting on TheRX (or anywhere else on the Internet); wasting too much time.

See you all in a few years.

you are kidding right?

 

[SampS]

Let’s help you with a simple time line.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
1810 Mexico starts a war for independence from Spain. <o></o>
1821 Not finding out until October, Costa Rica by default joined Mexico with other Central American so called provinces as independent from Spain on Sept. 15th. During this period your boy Iturbide becomes emperor of Mexico.<o></o>
At this same time Costa Ricans are entertaining ideas of joining the Independent Mexico under Iturbide or moving into a confederation of Central American states later called the Federal Republic of Central America.<o></o>
1822 Your boy Itrubide is still in power<o></o>
1823 In March the same year your boy gave up power and Mexico becomes the United Mexican States. In July,Costa Rica became a so called state in the Federal Republic of the Central America governed in Guatemala City, Guatemala. It included Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador and of course Costa Rica this is the same group previously controlled by Spain called the Captaincy General of Guatemala. This happened after the battle of Ochomogo which is an area between the two cities of Cartago and San Jose. <o></o>
1824 The new Costa Rican capital city was set up in San Jose once called Villa Nueva de la Boca del Monte, Juan Mora Fernandez (liberal) is elected, and your boy Itrubide comes back to Mexico after fleeing and gets executed.<o></o>
*Before this happens you fight a small civil war between Liberals and Conservatives, Liberals win and you get the beautiful city of San Jose as your new capital. <o></o>
1825 Costa Rica has its first president Juan Mora Fernandez (actually called Head of State) the country is still a member of the Federal Republic of Central America. <o></o>
1838 Costa Rica becomes sovereign from the Federal Republic of Central America after Nicaragua and Honduras separated from it.<o></o>
1842 Former Costa Rican President Francisco Morazan tried to reunite the Federal Republic of Central America before being arrested and executed. Ironically, this happened on Sept. 15th.<o></o>

Carry on...!~~~!

 

[wolfie_cr]

Let’s help you with a simple time line.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
1810 Mexico starts a war for independence from Spain. <o></o>
1821 Not finding out until October, Costa Rica by default joined Mexico with other Central American so called provinces as independent from Spain on Sept. 15th. During this period your boy Iturbide becomes emperor of Mexico.<o></o>
At this same time Costa Ricans are entertaining ideas of joining the Independent Mexico under Iturbide or moving into a confederation of Central American states later called the Federal Republic of Central America.<o></o>
1822 Your boy Itrubide is still in power<o></o>
1823 In March the same year your boy gave up power and Mexico becomes the United Mexican States. In July,Costa Rica became a so called state in the Federal Republic of the Central America governed in Guatemala City, Guatemala. It included Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador and of course Costa Rica this is the same group previously controlled by Spain called the Captaincy General of Guatemala. This happened after the battle of Ochomogo which is an area between the two cities of Cartago and San Jose. <o></o>
1824 The new Costa Rican capital city was set up in San Jose once called Villa Nueva de la Boca del Monte, Juan Mora Fernandez (liberal) is elected, and your boy Itrubide comes back to Mexico after fleeing and gets executed.<o></o>
*Before this happens you fight a small civil war between Liberals and Conservatives, Liberals win and you get the beautiful city of San Jose as your new capital. <o></o>
1825 Costa Rica has its first president Juan Mora Fernandez (actually called Head of State) the country is still a member of the Federal Republic of Central America. <o></o>
1838 Costa Rica becomes sovereign from the Federal Republic of Central America after Nicaragua and Honduras separated from it.<o></o>
1842 Former Costa Rican President Francisco Morazan tried to reunite the Federal Republic of Central America before being arrested and executed. Ironically, this happened on Sept. 15th.<o></o>

Carry on...!~~~!

Thanks for the timeline, it makes it clear that its quite far from the truth that we became independent from Mexico. <><>