"Oh Canada, Our Home And Native Land"

[Bushay]

I apologize if i offended you while arguing with this idiot.

>BTW, if you think Gary Bettman is a good commissioner you need therapy.

95% of all the criticism I hear about Bettman is misguided. Most EVERYTHING he does has to be voted on by the Board of Governors and passed by a majority. The game has changed and needs to grow all the time to survive. I also don't agree with everything that's happened during his watch. One thing I DO know is that the game certainly seems a lot more exciting these days than it did 10-15 years ago when the Trap, a great goaltender and a one goal lead in the 3rd was the name of the game to win. I seriously believe that a good portion of people believe that for instance the shoot out [like it or not] was something that Gary just decided...Hey...I'm going to implement this into our game now. Doesn't work like that. He's even has made himself assessable to any fan criticism by hosting a show on XM radio where he takes calls from fans, the media.....anyone who wants to debate what's happening under his watch. Guys call in all the time to try an question some of the things he's done or the league has done and not once have I heard while I was llstening, did he not deal with the question with complete logic. Once while I was listening a guy called in to tell him to explain how he felt the ref's were instructed to call a game a certain way. it was truly comical.

Again, I'm sorry if I came across like an ass. This guy got me going. MOST everything I told him was true. Sometimes I have a hard time expressing myself on on a laptop than I would if we were face to face. It's surely not how I wanted to come across.

 

[Ricboff]

I apologize if i offended you while arguing with this idiot.

>BTW, if you think Gary Bettman is a good commissioner you need therapy.

95% of all the criticism I hear about Bettman is misguided. Most EVERYTHING he does has to be voted on by the Board of Governors and passed by a majority. The game has changed and needs to grow all the time to survive. I also don't agree with everything that's happened during his watch. One thing I DO know is that the game certainly seems a lot more exciting these days than it did 10-15 years ago when the Trap, a great goaltender and a one goal lead in the 3rd was the name of the game to win. I seriously believe that a good portion of people believe that for instance the shoot out [like it or not] was something that Gary just decided...Hey...I'm going to implement this into our game now. Doesn't work like that. He's even has made himself assessable to any fan criticism by hosting a show on XM radio where he takes calls from fans, the media.....anyone who wants to debate what's happening under his watch. Guys call in all the time to try an question some of the things he's done or the league has done and not once have I heard while I was llstening, did he not deal with the question with complete logic. Once while I was listening a guy called in to tell him to explain how he felt the ref's were instructed to call a game a certain way. it was truly comical.

Again, I'm sorry if I came across like an ass. This guy got me going. MOST everything I told him was true. Sometimes I have a hard time expressing myself on on a laptop than I would if we were face to face. It's surely not how I wanted to come across.

wrong, you have made statements that I rebutted and corrected. From your posts in this thread it is YOU that is an 'idiot'. YOU should get off your 'high horse', your hockey acumen isn't as high as you think it is. That is clear as day. You have still avoided answering my question as to where my 'ignorant' statements were in posts 1 and 2--- your silence speaks volumes. Re-read the definition of 'ignorant' and give it a go.

pity I wasted so much time with you, next time i'll know better.

 

[Ricboff]

I've got to say that I find this post to be in good taste, unlike Ivan's.

Bushay, I know you're a regular poster here but you're coming across as a huge ass in this thread. I personally find your cocky Red Wings rants pretty funny but now you're arguing just to be an internet tough guy.

BTW, if you think Gary Bettman is a good commissioner you need therapy.

lol, therapy wont help. Remember this is a guy who thinks there's large 'growth potential' in USA and Europe, and that Canada is 'maxed out'---using population as justification, lol

can't take this guy seriously, don't even bother.

 

[Bushay]

Gary Bettman
NHL COMMISSIONER
Born: June 2, 1952
Hometown: Queens, NY
Is the first commissioner in the history of the National Hockey League. He replaced president John Ziegler. Bettman began his tenure on Feb. 1, 1993.
The NHL's Board of Governors elected Bettman unanimously on Dec. 11, 1992. His original mandate from team owners was to grow the game -- expand into unexploited, lucrative markets in the United States, improve marketing and secure new TV deals.
Bettman's election to the post was a bit controversial. Before joining the NHL, he spent 12 years as a senior executive of the National Basketball Association, and many in traditional hockey circles were resentful that a lawyer from New York was running the game. Critics said Bettman wasn't a "hockey guy." They charged that making money -- not the love of the game -- was motivating Bettman. Some also said the commissioner was trying to "Americanize" the game and didn't appreciate the place hockey occupied in Canada's culture.
During Bettman's 10-year tenure the NHL has:
Grown from 21 to 30 franchises. There are teams in Arizona, Florida, Tennessee and Texas -- areas previously considered non-traditional hockey markets.
Seen revenues go from $400 million to over $1.6 billion.
Had its profile across North America dramatically raised. The NHL's licensing and sponsorship income now rivals that of other big professional sports leagues. Ten years ago NHL teams competed in 11 U.S. markets. That number has doubled to 22. Licensing revenues have grown 700% to 1.2 billion.
Signed TV deals with major American broadcasters ABC and ESPN. The deal brings NHL games to more than 85 million homes in the United States. In 2002, the NHL reached a five-year agreement with CBC and TSN to broadcast games in Canada.
Bettman has made changes to the game itself. The NHL's divisions were renamed to reflect geography rather than the league's history. The league adopted a two-referee system; goal lines, blue lines and defensive-zone circles were moved, and playoff formats were changed shortly after Bettman took office.
To improve the pace and flow of the game, rules that crack down on clutch-and-grab and obstruction were toughened. Olympic-inspired hurry-up line changes were also instituted.
In 1998, Bettman allowed NHLers to participate in the Olympic Winter Games in Nagano. It marked the first time the league's players had played in the Games. The NHL suspended the 2001-02 regular season for 10 days to allow 125 players to participate in the Salt Lake Olympic Winter Games.
While the last decade may have seen the best of times for the NHL, Bettman has also presided over the worst of times. Revenues are up, but so are expenses. According to a recent report in the Wall Street Journal, more than two-thirds of the NHL's franchises reported losses in 2002-03.
Bettman's strategy to "grow the game" has also made it difficult for hockey to survive in Canadian markets. Some fans in Quebec and Winnipeg still blame Bettman's expansionist plan for the Jets' move to Phoenix and the Nordiques' move to Colorado. Annually, the Vancouver Canucks, Edmonton Oilers, Calgary Flames and Montreal Canadiens must find ways to compete despite financial constraints. The Ottawa Senators went bankrupt.
There also has been labour strife. The referees went on strike in 2001 and the owners locked out the players in 1994. The lockout lasted 104 days and cost the league a total of 468 games. The 1994-95 season was 48 games long.

 

[HatTrick]

I apologize if i offended you while arguing with this idiot.

>BTW, if you think Gary Bettman is a good commissioner you need therapy.

95% of all the criticism I hear about Bettman is misguided. Most EVERYTHING he does has to be voted on by the Board of Governors and passed by a majority. The game has changed and needs to grow all the time to survive. I also don't agree with everything that's happened during his watch. One thing I DO know is that the game certainly seems a lot more exciting these days than it did 10-15 years ago when the Trap, a great goaltender and a one goal lead in the 3rd was the name of the game to win. I seriously believe that a good portion of people believe that for instance the shoot out [like it or not] was something that Gary just decided...Hey...I'm going to implement this into our game now. Doesn't work like that. He's even has made himself assessable to any fan criticism by hosting a show on XM radio where he takes calls from fans, the media.....anyone who wants to debate what's happening under his watch. Guys call in all the time to try an question some of the things he's done or the league has done and not once have I heard while I was llstening, did he not deal with the question with complete logic. Once while I was listening a guy called in to tell him to explain how he felt the ref's were instructed to call a game a certain way. it was truly comical.

Again, I'm sorry if I came across like an ass. This guy got me going. MOST everything I told him was true. Sometimes I have a hard time expressing myself on on a laptop than I would if we were face to face. It's surely not how I wanted to come across.

No hard feelings bro. BTW, the Wings are my 2nd favourite team behind the Devils so I get a kick out of your Wings rants.

 

[Bushay]

Bettman has also been accused of having an "anti-Canadian" agenda,[14] with critics citing the relocation of the franchises in Quebec City and Winnipeg and his apparent refusal to help stop it, along with the aborted sale of the Nashville Predators in 2007 to interests that would have moved the team to Hamilton, Ontario.[15] Jim Balsillie accused Bettman of forcing the Predators to end negotiations with him to purchase the team.[16] Bettman was satirized in this vein as the character "Harry Buttman" in the 2006 Canadian movie Bon Cop, Bad Cop.[17] However, Bettman also championed the Canadian assistance plan, a revenue sharing agreement that saw American teams give money to help support the four small-market Canadian teams – Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, and Vancouver – throughout the late 1990s and early 2000s.[18]

 

[Ricboff]

did you want me to disect that? I sure can

a) i'll happily, but first things first---answer my query which you have sadly avoided. Posts 1 and 2, where is my ignorance? I"M STILL WAITING

b) also, if i'm going to go further I HAVE to have an idea of the hockey intellect of the person i'm debating here. Ya see, there are those that know hockey and those that KNOW hockey---big difference, and if your in the latter group you know what i mean

okay, here's a very basic question, that if answered, I at least know i'm dealing with a guy that has some basics, not just a 'fan of hockey':

two minor peewee players are on the ice, one is a 'aaa' player and the other is an 'a' player. They are the only players on the ice. NOW, you get on the ice, you dont know which is which. Name (if dont know the name, fair enough, then describe it) 5 drills that you'd have each player do, AND WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE DRILL (ie., to distinguish exactly what). After these drills, onviouly it will be quite clear which player is which.

i know that's terrible easy but at least it gives me assurance that i'm not completely wasting my time and just chatting with a hockey fan (NOTHING wrong with just being a hockey fan, of course, but YOU have called me an idiot, so i got to make sure who i'm talkng to here--i MAY have you mis-represented, and I will apologize if nec)

 

[TigerquotABArefquotDenoy]

I'm waiting for Bushay's response too.

 

[TigerquotABArefquotDenoy]

I've seen many drills before games on the AHL level in Wilkes-Barre watching the AAA Penguins. Which 5 do you mean Ricboff? That's if Bushay doesn't answer in a timely manner. You have my attention. Thanks

 

[thirdperson]

Nothing wrong with Canadian fans celebrating their success in international hockey. Easily, Canada is the #1 hockey nation this decade because Canada has won the most metals in international competitions. Even in the NHL, the majority of players are Canadians! Other countries with bigger populations don't have as many players in the NHL. Perhaps, Bushay is just jealous?

 

[wannabewhale]

Nothing wrong with Canadian fans celebrating their success in international hockey. Easily, Canada is the #1 hockey nation this decade because Canada has won the most metals in international competitions. Even in the NHL, the majority of players are Canadians! Other countries with bigger populations don't have as many players in the NHL. Perhaps, Bushay is just jealous?

Jealous of what winning a metal?? Oh you mean medal...

 

[TheBud]

I can't believe your backing Bettman, this fu*king weasle gives me a new reason to hate his ass once a month..... for instance.. giving Avery 5 games for opening his mouth, saying something actually FUNNY! And Jarko Ruttu only gets 2 games for BITING someone..... I mean I hate Avery more than Bettman but what a joke.... all three guys are fu*king biters in my opinion... ohyeah not one of them Canadian... I know Avery was born here, but we disowned his ass long ago
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[Bushay]

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[Bushay]

I can't believe your backing Bettman, this fu*king weasle gives me a new reason to hate his ass once a month..... for instance.. giving Avery 5 games for opening his mouth, saying something actually FUNNY! And Jarko Ruttu only gets 2 games for BITING someone..... I mean I hate Avery more than Bettman but what a joke.... all three guys are fu*king biters in my opinion... ohyeah not one of them Canadian... I know Avery was born here, but we disowned his ass long ago
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December 9th, 2008 •

Sean Avery has just deposited $150,000 into a bank account managed by Brian O’Neill.

And as the until-further-notice Dallas Stars forward ponders how his thoughts usually short- circuit between his brain and his tongue, he can take some solace in the fact his lost wages will be well spent.

Avery’s six-game suspension, handed down Friday by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, costs him dearly in forfeited salary. But every dime is bound for the NHL Players’ Emergency Assistance Fund that’s managed by O’Neill, a Montrealer who has walked hockey’s corridors of influence since he joined the league 43 years ago as director of administration for then-president Clarence Campbell.

“I thought the way (Bettman) handled it was fine,” O’Neill said of the league’s spanking of Avery, who disgusted one and all last week with vulgar comments about his former girlfriend.

“But I was not very sympathetic to Avery and never have been. He’s been a loose cannon for a long time.”

 

[TigerquotABArefquotDenoy]

Waiting For Response

Any answer to the 5 fundamental drills yet?

 

[Ricboff]

Any answer to the 5 fundamental drills yet?

this drill question was purposely worded 'poorly'---such that a 'hockey guy' (if you will) would immediately criticize it and call me on it. Bushay has a temper and doesn't like to be challenged, I wrote it as such to provoke a response and he'd rip me on it. The response isn't forthcoming DESPITE him still posting in the thread. Why? cause he can't answer the question. Bushay is a big hockey fan, but that's where it ends. He has no idea of how much he DOESN'T KNOW of the game. YET, he calls others 'ignorant'. The irony is so thick you'd need a butcher's knife to get through it.

sir, they're are no '5 fundamental drills' to distinguish which player is which. Minor peewee are the 11 yr olds. The leap from house league hockey to 'a' or 'aa' hockey is HUGE. The leap from 'a' or 'aa' to 'aaa' is also big. An 11 yr old boy playing 'aaa' hockey is a damn good player. Aagain there are no 5 magical drills to determine which is which. Infact, you may need MORE than 5 drills. That 'a' player may be an upper end kid, in fact the following yr (at peewee, he's now 12) he may very well be at 'aa' or made the big leap to the very elite 'aaa'--AND that 'aaa' player may be the borderline kid that just made it in. On the other hand, it may take just two drills (10 miuntes of your time,lol) to easily distinguish the two via just some basic skating drills. As an example, here's a basic skating drill that will provide alot of information: have the two boys run this skate drill, one at a time. Skate from the goal line to the blue line HARD, stop hard to your left make a cross over right leg over left and skate perpendicular to the boards. End of drill. Watch for; a) basic stride, posture (not too concerned with speed here, the 'a' player MAY actually be faster) b)at the blueline, look for a stop with the outside edge of his left skate while nearly simultaneouly crossing his r leg over in one smooth fashion. Remember these are 11 yr olds.

you have kids in hockey?? Robby Glantz provides great camps all across USA's hockey niche states, Pa included.

gotta love the game

 

[SkateSharpener]

Did Bushay actually make a post about how a Canadian based team in "GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION" hasnt brought home a Cup even though half of the American "GEOGRAPHICAL BASED" players on the teams that won the Cup are from "CANADA"?? Wow I have officialy heard it all when ever I hear someone say something so stupid. If you think Canadian hockey players as a whole arent the best of any country in the world you are a fool plain and simple! Where they play and where they come from are two totally different things that hold no comparison to one another?!?

 

[thirdperson]

When Ivan777 started this thread, happy Canadians were just celebrating harmlessly. But Bushay started nonsense arguments.

 

[Bushay]

I can't believe your backing Bettman, this fu*king weasle gives me a new reason to hate his ass once a month..... for instance.. giving Avery 5 games for opening his mouth, saying something actually FUNNY! And Jarko Ruttu only gets 2 games for BITING someone..... I mean I hate Avery more than Bettman but what a joke.... all three guys are fu*king biters in my opinion... ohyeah not one of them Canadian... I know Avery was born here, but we disowned his ass long ago
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Hmmmm. I wonder what nationality he was before the incident in Calgary? When he played in Detroit, LA and NY.

 

[Bushay]

>Did Bushay actually make a post about how a Canadian based team in "GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION" hasnt brought home a Cup even though half of the American "GEOGRAPHICAL BASED" players on the teams that won the Cup are from "CANADA"??


I did. Want to rephrase that for you so you can understand it without asking the group for confirmation? I can If you like?




>Wow I have officialy heard it all when ever I hear someone say something so stupid.

You havn't heard it all yet. Your not old enough to have heard it all. Stick around this thread a little longer though. You just may learn a little more!





>If you think Canadian hockey players as a whole arent the best of any country in the world you are a fool plain and simple!


Oh now I think that's a subject up for discussion. I'd say some Russians and Swedes would likely give you a decent argument. Your boys are good though.


>Where they play and where they come from are two totally different things that hold no comparison to one another?!?


Ok hotshot! If you insist. 16 years is an awful long coincidence though. Don't you think? Eh?


Sounds like more than just your skates are a little dull to me.