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You outta get you a sailboat there Onion. Instead of sailing it by committee you could sail that sucker by poll. Buy with you that would meant that you sailed it the way you want cause your polls say what ever you want.

And that's good because one person has to be in charge of a sailboat.

I will expect to see yours piled up on the rocks.
 

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You outta get you a sailboat there Onion. Instead of sailing it by committee you could sail that sucker by poll. Buy with you that would meant that you sailed it the way you want cause your polls say what ever you want.

And that's good because one person has to be in charge of a sailboat.

I will expect to see yours piled up on the rocks.

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Did you walk to school...or carry your lunch?
 

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Did you walk to school...or carry your lunch?

read his incoherent post again. don't think school took up much of punter's time

as sumday explained any of our "war on ____" are jokes. they through terms like war and crisis at us so that we'll simply hand away personal freedoms
 

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<tt>Afghanistan war could 'cost more than Iraq'...

</tt>[SIZE=+2]Analysts Expect Long-Term, Costly U.S. Campaign in Afghanistan[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 9, 2009
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As the Obama administration expands U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, military experts are warning that the United States is taking on security and political commitments that will last at least a decade and a cost that will probably eclipse that of the Iraq war.
Since the invasion of Afghanistan eight years ago, the United States has spent $223 billion on war-related funding for that country, according to the Congressional Research Service. Aid expenditures, excluding the cost of combat operations, have grown exponentially, from $982 million in 2003 to $9.3 billion last year.
The costs are almost certain to keep growing. The Obama administration is in the process of overhauling the U.S. approach to Afghanistan, putting its focus on long-term security, economic sustainability and development. That approach is also likely to require deployment of more American military personnel, at the very least to train additional Afghan security forces.
Later this month, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, is expected to present his analysis of the situation in the country. The analysis could prompt an increase in U.S. troop levels to help implement President Obama's new strategy.
Military experts insist that the additional resources are necessary. But many, including some advising McChrystal, say they fear the public has not been made aware of the significant commitments that come with Washington's new policies.
"We will need a large combat presence for many years to come, and we will probably need a large financial commitment longer than that," said Stephen Biddle, a senior fellow for defense policy at the Council on Foreign Relations and a member of the "strategic assessment" team advising McChrystal. The expansion of the Afghan security force that the general will recommend to secure the country "will inevitably cost much more than any imaginable Afghan government is going to be able to afford on its own," Biddle added.
"Afghan forces will need $4 billion a year for another decade, with a like sum for development," said Bing West, a former assistant secretary of defense and combat Marine who has chronicled the Iraq and Afghan wars. Bing said the danger is that Congress is "so generous in support of our own forces today, it may not support the aid needed for progress in Afghanistan tomorrow."
Some members of Congress are worried. The House Appropriations Committee said in its report on the fiscal 2010 defense appropriations bill that its members are "concerned about the prospects for an open-ended U.S. commitment to bring stability to a country that has a decades-long history of successfully rebuffing foreign military intervention and attempts to influence internal politics."
The Afghan government has made some political and military progress since 2001, but the Taliban insurgency has been reinvigorated.
Anthony H. Cordesman, another member of McChrystal's advisory group and a national security expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told reporters recently that even with military gains in the next 12 to 18 months, it would take years to reduce sharply the threat from the Taliban and other insurgent forces.
The task that the United States has taken on in Afghanistan is in many ways more difficult than the one it has encountered in Iraq, where the U.S. government has spent $684 billion in war-related funding.
In a 2008 study that ranked the weakest states in the developing world, the Brookings Institution rated Afghanistan second only to Somalia. Afghanistan's gross domestic product in 2008 was $23 billion, with about $3 billion coming from opium production, according to the CIA's World Factbook. Oil-producing Iraq had a GDP of $113 billion.
Afghanistan's central government takes in roughly $890 million in annual revenue, according to the World Factbook. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has pointed out that Afghanistan's national budget cannot support the $2 billion needed today for the country's army and police force.
Dutch Army Brig. Gen. Tom Middendorp, commander of the coalition task force in Afghanistan's southern Uruzgan province, described the region as virtually prehistoric.
"It's the poorest province of one of the poorest countries in the world. And if you walk through that province, it's like walking through the Old Testament," Middendorp told reporters recently. "There is enormous illiteracy in the province. More than 90 percent cannot write or read. So it's very basic, what you do there. And they have had 30 years of conflict."
Unlike in Iraq, where Obama has established a timeline for U.S. involvement, the president has not said when he would like to see troops withdrawn from Afghanistan.
White House officials emphasize that the burden is not that of the United States alone. The NATO-led force in the country has 61,000 troops from 42 countries; about 29,000 of those troops are American.
Still, military experts say the United States will not be able to shed its commitment easily.
The government has issued billions of dollars in contracts in recent years, underscoring the vast extent of work that U.S. officials are commissioning.
Among other purposes, contractors have been sought this summer to build a $25 million provincial Afghan National Police headquarters; maintain anti-personnel mine systems; design and build multimillion-dollar sections of roads; deliver by sea and air billions of dollars worth of military bulk cargo; and supervise a drug-eradication program.
One solicitation, issued by the Army Corps of Engineers, is aimed at finding a contractor to bring together Afghan economic, social, legal and political groups to help build the country's infrastructure. The contractor would work with Afghan government officials as well as representatives from private and nongovernmental organizations to establish a way to allocate resources for new projects.
"We are looking at two decades of supplying a few billion a year to Afghanistan," said Michael E. O'Hanlon, a senior fellow and military expert at the Brookings Institution, adding: "It's a reasonable guess that for 20 years, we essentially will have to fund half the Afghan budget." He described the price as reasonable, given that it may cost the United States $100 billion this year to continue fighting.
"We are creating a [long-term military aid] situation similar to the ones we have with Israel, Egypt and Jordan," he said.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/08/AR2009080802283_pf.html
 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott L
"Or ... the animals that did 9/11 have the intention of attacking us repeatedly until we 'submit' to radical islam"

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Originally Posted by barman
"I have a funny feeling that's pretty much the lead promotional line from the US military industrial complex to policy makers in D.C. when they want some more billions tossed their way."


Steve you'll have to walk me through this one. What exactly are you saying here? While you're not in Loren territory you sure are peering around the corner here, because you're alluding to a 'THEM' that you aren't naming.

Your above post makes three assumptions:

1- War doesn't cost money. It makes money. False in the overall scheme of things.

2- 'THEY' need someone to attack, so the US is a bully nation that invents enemies as a means for 'THEM' to generate profits for some mysterious 'military industrial complex.'

[Which leads to Loren territory]

3- 9/11 was an event concocted by 'THEM,' because you are implying those that reasonable people know planned 9/11 do not have the will or seek the means to attack us [again]. We just kill people for money.

For all the other Loopy Far-Lefters here....

Does anyone here wish to state that the person who is the subject of this thread and those who follow his twisted ideology do not wish to murder every man, woman, and child in America? Does anyone here believe bin Laden's followers, if left alone to reclaim Afg would stop there? Does anyone believe that OBL's followers if left unchecked in Afg. would not seek to acquire nuclear technology? Maybe from Kim Jong il? Or from the crazy nutjobs in Iran who some of you have no problem with having nukes? Geez, wake up!
 

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Scott asks, we answer - and not for the first time, but that's okay because it's been a few months.

SL: ...you're alluding to a 'THEM' that you aren't naming.

B: Oh but I did. The military-industrial complex (MIC) would be those people and businesses who are directly financed by US federal dollars that can mostly be found under the cost centers of "Defense".

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S: Your above post makes three assumptions:

1- War doesn't cost money. It makes money. False in the overall scheme of things.

B: Oh, but it does make money. In the hundreds of billions annually. For those employed by the MIC and those who manufacture weapons of war....errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - products to defend America (insert cough here).

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2- 'THEY' need someone to attack, so the US is a bully nation that invents enemies as a means for 'THEM' to generate profits for some mysterious 'military industrial complex.'

B: The MIC most certainly needs someone with who they can be actively engaged, because the less complex task of honestly serving as "America's defense" doesn't demand an ongoing multi-billion dollar per day in fresh products and services.

Since no other country has attacked the USA since 1941, it's fallen to the MIC to collectively lobby Congress and the President as to the best place to insert our military troops. The method currently being employed is to simply invade a sovereign nation and when resistance is encountered, bingo - you've got an "enemy" that demands full time hundreds of billions of dollars annually for "defense" spending.

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3- 9/11 was an event concocted by 'THEM,' because you are implying those that reasonable people know planned 9/11 do not have the will or seek the means to attack us [again].

B: I've no reason to believe that 9/11/01 was concocted by the MIC, though I can't utterly refute it. Regardless, it's somewhat of a moot point today in 2009.

What I do know is that the soon to be Trillion dollars in federal money spent to feed the US military invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan over the past eight years has little to do with what happened on 9/11/01 save for that day providing a great faux motivator for the US to engage in said military actions.

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S: We just kill people for money.

B: As long as they have dark brown skin and talk funny -- pretty much yeah.

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S: Does anyone here wish to state that the person who is the subject of this thread and those who follow his twisted ideology do not wish to murder every man, woman, and child in America?

B: I'll state that with confidence.

I do concur that They (oops....another "They" in play, eh?) may well wish to kill every US man and woman who is participating in the military invasion of their respective countries.

And to that end, I can empathize. Because if another country were to send a couple hundred thousand military troops into MY homeland, I'd be fairly supportive of killing as many of them as possible until such time as they abandoned their mission.
 

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And Go Easy with silly inferences that tie my personal beliefs with those of KookNation.

The Loren/TR (and recently ProPokerPlayer) are hell bent on promoting the message that "They" - some conglomeration of the MIC in tandem with The Vatican, or is it Da Jews? -- will first use their military might to dominate the Middle East and then they will turn their weaponry and muscle on Americans here at home to round them up into internment camps for reprogramming or maybe for mass execution (depends on which Kook is squealing at the moment) or to be loaded on the giant spaceship which will transport them to the ThemGalaxy.


That's far too complex, paranoid and utterly batshit crazy for me to try and untangle. I'm pretty much okay with just ascribing the bulk of the MIC motivation to a collective desire to have fatter portfolios, bigger houses, nicer cars and younger women.

You know - time honored motivations that go back for centuries.
 

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Barman:

S: We just kill people for money.

B: As long as they have dark brown skin and talk funny -- pretty much yeah.


Thats a hoot to all the dead blued eyed Germans killed during WWI and WWII.

And we would have dusted the white trash Russians at the drop of a hat...but Ronny Raygun fought off the military industrial complex and successfully removed them from the equation without the waste of one bullet.

:103631605
 

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Thats a hoot to all the dead blued eyed Germans killed during WWI and WWII.

And we would have dusted the white trash Russians at the drop of a hat...but Ronny Raygun fought off the military industrial complex and successfully removed them from the equation without the waste of one bullet.

:103631605

*The Germans declared war against the USA in Dec 1941 and the USA responded defensively. Since then all of the US military killing has been initiated by the USA

*Big smile at the absurd notion that the USA would have ever directly engaged with the Soviet Union.
 

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