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Well, let's see: even with the rule change, extra points are still made at a very high rate, whereas 2 point tries are probably slightly over 50%. On the last drive, knowing that your team has, in effect, two bites of the apple to win the game-which is exactly what happened for Denver-it could definitely change how closely a DB plays his man. Do I know that for a fact? No, but neither do YOU know otherwise, and to try and pretend that you do is stupid.

So youre saying that the denver D could possibly not be as aggressive or focused since they know that NE still needs to convert the 2pt after a score?

And you think this is a real thing in the waning moments of the AFC championship with the superbowl on the line?
 

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So youre saying that the denver D could possibly not be as aggressive or focused since they know that NE still needs to convert the 2pt after a score?

And you think this is a real thing in the waning moments of the AFC championship with the superbowl on the line?


don't bother

at the end of the day, it's nothing about theory or speculation or strategy, this discussion already happened and the Broncos went all out after Brady to the very end

to argue something else is silly, and if one is doing such you ain't going to convince him otherwise

he either didn't believe his own eyes or he doesn't know what he's watching
 

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So youre saying that the denver D could possibly not be as aggressive or focused since they know that NE still needs to convert the 2pt after a score?

And you think this is a real thing in the waning moments of the AFC championship with the superbowl on the line?

That's exactly what I'm saying. Actually, knowing that you can still win the game if you stop the 2 point try might make some guys cover more tightly instead of giving more cushion, everything changes, especially when there are so many people reacting to a stressful situation at the same time. It's like idiot baseball announcers who watch a base runner get thrown out stealing, then watch the next pitch hit for a home saying, "Oh, that cost team X a run." You think pitching with the bases empty might effect your pitch selection as opposed to having a base stealer on might effect pitch selection? How about pitching from a full wind up instead of from the stretch? Maybe Belicheat would've been more prone to go for one of those two field goals if his kicker hadn't missed, you don't know what would've happened, so, don't try and pretend that you do.
 

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Ehh fine, that atleast makes some sense. A team possibly playing more aggressive defensively because they aren't as scared of the result since they know they will get 1 last chance for a stop on the 2pt conversion. I don't think that would apply to the Broncos defense given how aggressive they were the entire game and really the entire season but it is atleast feasible. Teams do play "scared to lose" and too soft in covg late in games all the time, but don't think that was applying to Denver.

As far as the FG, I don't think Gost missing an XP earlier in the game would change whether NE goes or not. He kicked 2 FGs after that.
 

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Ehh fine, that atleast makes some sense. A team possibly playing more aggressive defensively because they aren't as scared of the result since they know they will get 1 last chance for a stop on the 2pt conversion. I don't think that would apply to the Broncos defense given how aggressive they were the entire game and really the entire season but it is atleast feasible. Teams do play "scared to lose" and too soft in covg late in games all the time, but don't think that was applying to Denver.

As far as the FG, I don't think Gost missing an XP earlier in the game would change whether NE goes or not. He kicked 2 FGs after that.

Twice above you said, "I don't think," and that's fine. The post that I initially referred to, it was stated that there wouldn't have been any difference, like it was a done deal, which is utterly ridiculous.
 

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Why would you play differently based on an 8pt lead vs a 7pt lead? Either way you need a TD.

If they scored the TD earlier then the time left would effect if you go for 2 or not and then the XP doesn't quite loom as large, but that didn't happen.
Because if you run and punt, you need to get beat by a two team dog parlay to even have to face overtime. You give up a TD, and you are still a favorite to win in regulation. 8 vs 7 literally more than doubles your chance of winning in regulation. Of course it affected the play calling.
 

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Because if you run and punt, you need to get beat by a two team dog parlay to even have to face overtime. You give up a TD, and you are still a favorite to win in regulation. 8 vs 7 literally more than doubles your chance of winning in regulation. Of course it affected the play calling.

I don't know about "MORE than doubles your chance," but otherwise, I agree completely-and to think that players-particularly the last line of defense, the DBs-might not play differently in those two situations is asinine.
 

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I don't know about "MORE than doubles your chance," but otherwise, I agree completely-and to think that players-particularly the last line of defense, the DBs-might not play differently in those two situations is asinine.
Unless you think NE was >50% to convert 2, then yes it more than doubles your chances. Assuming the normal PAT is automatic
 

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I LOVE people who act like when something happens early on-like a mixed extra point-that means everything that subsequently happened would have also happened either way("tied in regulation"). You DO realize the game could've been played entire differently, don't you? No, you probably don't, you're festering shit.

Because if you run and punt, you need to get beat by a two team dog parlay to even have to face overtime. You give up a TD, and you are still a favorite to win in regulation. 8 vs 7 literally more than doubles your chance of winning in regulation. Of course it affected the play calling.
Spot on
 

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If you are Denver and have the ball, being up 7 or 8 shouldn't matter. I guess it could if your coach is dumb but the 2pt conversion is just the play after the score.

Your only goal should be to prevent them from scoring. It is literally the same exact game at 7 or 8 for Denver the final 8 minutes. Just because there is an added degree of difficulty in needing 2pt over XP shouldn't really change anything else. The 2pt conversion just serves as a last obstacle for NE but it functions on its own really.

The win probability of the game doesn't really matter to your decision making there.
 

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If you are Denver and have the ball, being up 7 or 8 shouldn't matter. I guess it could if your coach is dumb but the 2pt conversion is just the play after the score.

Your only goal should be to prevent them from scoring. It is literally the same exact game at 7 or 8 for Denver the final 8 minutes. Just because there is an added degree of difficulty in needing 2pt over XP shouldn't really change anything else. The 2pt conversion just serves as a last obstacle for NE but it functions on its own really.

The win probability of the game doesn't really matter to your decision making there.
It does affect your play calling on offense, as it should.
 

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If you are Denver and have the ball, being up 7 or 8 shouldn't matter. I guess it could if your coach is dumb but the 2pt conversion is just the play after the score.

Your only goal should be to prevent them from scoring. It is literally the same exact game at 7 or 8 for Denver the final 8 minutes. Just because there is an added degree of difficulty in needing 2pt over XP shouldn't really change anything else. The 2pt conversion just serves as a last obstacle for NE but it functions on its own really.

The win probability of the game doesn't really matter to your decision making there.

That's YOUR opinion, not a universally held view. It's the flip side of the defensive coin, some teams when up 8 will take more chances offensively, because two bad things have to happen for them to be tied, not one. Other teams will play more conservatively, working the clock, or figuring you don't have to worry about a 2 point conversion if you don't give a TD at all.
 

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It does affect your play calling on offense, as it should.

Why should it? How does your goal of not allowing the other team to score a TD change? Whether that be killing clock or defensive strategy, etc

The end of the tunnel is a 2pt that is 50/50 instead of a 99% XP but that event is independent of what comes before it.

Am I missing something?

I can see the point that it does change how teams play, but I don't really think it should.
 

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For some it is hard to bet against a team that is 17-1. They crushed Arizona in the NFC championship game, and were ahead 31-0 at the half against Seattle. Although we all know what happened to the patriots in '07.
 

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Denver didn't have one either.....it was a 2 point game......Denver was better on Sunday thats all.
Stop with the no doubt about it threads they don't work.
Offenses a push. Defenses Denver clearly better 7 days a week.
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You can say Carolina is clearly a better team than Arizona

But this game came down to a 2 pt conversion. It's just dumb and silly to say one team is clearly superior
 

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