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Wtf is a "slave to the Constitution"? Should rape and murder be legal so we aren't "slaves to the law"?

There is nothing which says the document written in the 1700s needs to stay that way. As you said, that's why it's open to amending. And as Joe said, where is the amendment for a Dept of Education? Why doesn't it exist?

And yeah, there are federal government programs I support. Here they are:

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/his...states-constitution/thirty-enumerated-powers/

The rest should be left to individual states.

Have you ever actually read the Constitution before?

You do realize society is different from the 1700's right? Blindly following the constitution and nothing else....is insane. Just saying "well it's not in the constitution,so there" is not realistic.
 

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Look at how dumb this post is

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How about them!???!

Um, they have nothing, not a single thing, to do with the topic, idiot.

You are a total fucking idiot.....if you abolish the dept of Ed you kill the programs as well.

Are you retarded?
 

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You do realize society is different from the 1700's right? Blindly following the constitution and nothing else....is insane. Just saying "well it's not in the constitution,so there" is not realistic.

"different from the 1700s" ... is this some kind of cool sophisticated 'progressive' Jon Stewart talking point or something?

Funny how the left pretends everything the government does is rational, advanced, efficient, modern and well planned, when in reality it's THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

Do you not follow politics and campaigns?

Government programs come from cheap emotional slogans ("Hope and Change!") and special interests delivered by whore politicians on the campaign trail which are then executed by academics and policy wonks brainwashed in the make-believe world of unworkable collective theories.

That's how we got the stimulus and Obamacare - two unmitigated disasters.

The end result is bureaucrats telling farmers how to grow their food, how much they are allowed to charge for their crops, what kind of fertilizer they can use, central control of their energy consumption, the amount of govt subsidies etc....endless government meddling and tinkering directed by the highest bidders.

From a total outsider standpoint (outside of the tunnel vision of politics and the tone deaf establishment), it is totally efficient, ineffective and archaic way of running a modern sophisticated society.

The output is predictable: thousands of charts like the ones Acebb posted with no end in sight.

The Constitution provides a framework opposite of the modern knee-jerk, chaotic ideology of 'progressivism': an orderly, lawful process for making BIG changes, requiring VERY large majorities of consensus from the population, both at the federal and state level.

Intuitively, the people are wise and know Big Illegal Government is broken. They just don't know how to fix it. Less than 14% believe Big Illegal Government (progressivism) still works. The anger toward Washington is palatable. For now, the people are channeling their frustrations through the ascension and popularity of bombastic bomb throwers like Donald Trump, but once the silent majority wakes up and realizes the current system 'progressives' broke is not fixable - once the Cruzes and Trumps arrive in Washington and not much changes - the people who think like you are in deep shit.... it will be pitchforks and torches for the corrupt ruling class and all their sycophants.

At this point, the only things keeping the current government from being totally demolished are apathy and complete willful ignorance of Washington's Gilded Class.
 

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When George Washington became President, his cabinet consisted of only an Attorney General, and the Secretaries of State, War (NOT 'Defense') and Treasury.

What a breath of fresh air that would be!

Needless to say, in the two centuries that followed, government bureaucracy has gotten completely out of control, to the point it has become nearly impossible to keep track of all the country's depts and agencies.

So by today's bloated, dysfunctional, broke 'progressive' government standards, America's greatest president carved into Mount Rushmore would be totally unelectable!

Think about it...

Sophisticated and modern, the left says? Really?

The Conservative vision for America:

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The Progressive vision for America:

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It's called Progress!
 

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In other news, the national debt just blew past $19 trillion!

Thank you Obama, Democrats and the utterly worthless RINOs in Congress!

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You do realize society is different from the 1700's right? Blindly following the constitution and nothing else....is insane. Just saying "well it's not in the constitution,so there" is not realistic.



Yes, today is different than the 1700s. That's why an amendment process was inserted.

Although many of the concepts remain the same. Would you be OK with the police kicking down your door and searching your house without a proper warrant? Or is the right of the people to be secure in their houses, papers, effects, etc...against unreasonable searches and seizures just a totally outdated concept? Same for freedom of speech, etc?

Actually, pointing out a government-funded program that isn't in the Constitution is an entirely valid argument against it if it is not covered by the enumerated powers. Do you understand what the enumerated powers are, and how they apply to the tenth amendment I referenced earlier? The Constitution is the framework/foundation for almost every law on the books today. You can't just randomly decide on a whim when to obey or disobey laws.
 

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Yes, today is different than the 1700s. That's why an amendment process was inserted.

Although many of the concepts remain the same. Would you be OK with the police kicking down your door and searching your house without a proper warrant? Or is the right of the people to be secure in their houses, papers, effects, etc...against unreasonable searches and seizures just a totally outdated concept? Same for freedom of speech, etc?

Actually, pointing out a government-funded program that isn't in the Constitution is an entirely valid argument against it if it is not covered by the enumerated powers. Do you understand what the enumerated powers are, and how they apply to the tenth amendment I referenced earlier? The Constitution is the framework/foundation for almost every law on the books today. You can't just randomly decide on a whim when to obey or disobey laws.

Absent its constitutional moorings - the current state of the union - the government is nothing but a special interest free-for-all with no defined purpose other than buying votes with other people's money.
 

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So when I went to public school in Philadelphia from 1965-1972 there was no US Dept of Education? I guess I was lucky.

From K-2 I had 3 excellent teachers. Not only were they great educators but they were so dedicated they made it easy to recognize every jerkoff teacher I had for the rest of my life, which included the three that followed them from grades 3-5.

By the way the funny story I told in another thread about Ricky F copying off Jeff's paper happened in 2nd grade. And Jeff's mother was my 4th grade teacher, an angry bitch. But my 3rd grade teacher could kick every other tacher's ass. She is legendary for her menacing stare and her hatred of the entire world. None of us have forgotten her need to demonstrate her power to abuse children by screaming loudly at all of them. She lives on in Arizona, and is now 95 years old. I wonder if she mellowed? My adult view of her would be premenstrual dysphoric disorder and borderline personality disorder all rolled into one hellish combination.

My 5th grade teacher would have been fired had he not been backed by the union. He literally led an uprising vs the Philly school system that made national news in 1971. He was suspended and we did nothing for 2/3 of that year with our substitute. But oh yeah, I still learned.

6th grade was an absolute joke. It was a new educational experiment called "Open Classroom." We did nothing but goof off. Three of us used to play with a tape recorder and we created our own sports talk show. Yet somehow I leaned a lot. I managed an 87 on the Iowa Test that year.

7th grade the Philly schools went on strike. While my friends played in the schoolyards and playgrounds I got sent to Jewish private school. I learned little in the classroom. It was a nightmare. But oh did I learn a lot that year, about religion and human nature. And how to be a big brother. My little brother couldn't handle it. Because the math teacher was a lot like my 3rg grade teacher. But I helped my brother get through. And now he's a doctor. I left 7th grade a Bar-Mitvahed atheist, the fairy-tale of G-D literally cleansed from me.

My parents decided they'd had enough of Philly schools. Off to the top district in the state and a new house only 11 miles, but a world away for a 13 year old. Our nickname was The Indians. It never changed and no one ever moaned about it. The HS split into North and South years after I graduated, and the nickname was gone.

Does top school district mean better education/teachers? Hell Fuck No, not even close. Plenty of idiots and don't give a shit attitudes on the teachers side of the desk. There were 743 in my senior class. I ranked #39 but was middle of the pack on my SAT scores. I would say there were at least 50 geniuses in my senior class. MIT, Tufts, Amherst, etc (BTW there was one genius in my 6th grade class in Philly. I later found out he hung himself. He never talked to anyone. Very sad).

But oh the bottom third of my senior class. It didn't matter who educated them or by what method. It might as well still have been Philly. I still remember the greaser who sat next to me in health class. Kid thought he was hot shit. One day he taps me on the shoulder. Guess what he whispered as he slowly slid a piece of paper on my desk? "Hey, read that to me."
 

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Almost forgot another great educator Mrs Josephs. She worked at the Free Library of Philadelphia for many years. She also formed and held the Vacation Reading Club in the Summer. She probably did that on her own time. She introduced me to author Matt Christopher. If any of you are parents of boys age 8 or older who like sports you have to put his books in their hands. I read at least 60 of them.
 

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Rand Paul was the only Presidential candidate with any history of wanting to eliminate the USDOE and fewer than 5% of Republicans supported him. Are Democrats going to be the ones to go for it?
 

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Ridiculous and stupid. No more Pell grants, federal student loans..... How about the trillion dollars in outstanding loans?

Just because a document in 1700's doesn't say education means nothing. Still amazing to me that we are always a slave to the constitution. Why do you think we have constitutional amendments?

is there any govt program you guys don't want eliminated? Bunch of anarchists.

THe Douches and Caspers of the world show their blatant hypocrisy. They claim to be Constitutional originalists, but if that's actually so, they'd be shouting from the Mountaintops that Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for POTUS according to the Constitution as originally written. There has been no amendment to change that, so he's still ineligible if they were consistent in their way of thinking. But Both those Hypocrites support Cruz, and there's not a peep from them about his ineligibility. And Cruz is an equally big hypocrite with his claiming to be a Constitutional Originalist. https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...oking-glass/zvKE6qpF31q2RsvPO9nGoK/story.html

For those us us with common sense, who realize the Constitution is a Document not to be literally taken as written in the 1700's, we have no problem with Cruz being eligible. But these hypocrites must declare him ineligible if they have any integrity(which of course we know they don't).
 

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THe Douches and Caspers of the world show their blatant hypocrisy. They claim to be Constitutional originalists, but if that's actually so, they'd be shouting from the Mountaintops that Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for POTUS according to the Constitution as originally written. There has been no amendment to change that, so he's still ineligible if they were consistent in their way of thinking. But Both those Hypocrites support Cruz, and there's not a peep from them about his ineligibility. And Cruz is an equally big hypocrite with his claiming to be a Constitutional Originalist. https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...oking-glass/zvKE6qpF31q2RsvPO9nGoK/story.html

For those us us with common sense, who realize the Constitution is a Document not to be literally taken as written in the 1700's, we have no problem with Cruz being eligible. But these hypocrites must declare him ineligible if they have any integrity(which of course we know they don't).



There is not one single person here who says the Constitution is iron-clad and should never be amended. Not one. This is what I mean when I say dimocraps lie to themselves. Yeah, the Constitution was written in the 1700s...but you claim that must mean all conservatives want to "live in the 1700s" because it fits your agenda...and then you pretend that's reality. By your stupid logic, there is nothing in the Constitution which specifically prohibits me from going to the top of the Empire State Building and dropping bowling balls down onto the street below...so I guess that must mean its legal. You literally have no idea whatsoever how laws are created, passed and applied at the federal, state and local levels.

Ted Cruz is no different than John McCain, who was born in Panama...but still eligible to run for POTUS. Do you know how or why? This might be a tough one for you since it won't be a topic on Smackdown this week, but let's see if you know why both are eligible to be POTUS. Go on, this should be entertaining.
 

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THe Douches and Caspers of the world show their blatant hypocrisy. They claim to be Constitutional originalists, but if that's actually so, they'd be shouting from the Mountaintops that Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for POTUS according to the Constitution as originally written. There has been no amendment to change that, so he's still ineligible if they were consistent in their way of thinking. But Both those Hypocrites support Cruz, and there's not a peep from them about his ineligibility. And Cruz is an equally big hypocrite with his claiming to be a Constitutional Originalist. https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...oking-glass/zvKE6qpF31q2RsvPO9nGoK/story.html

For those us us with common sense, who realize the Constitution is a Document not to be literally taken as written in the 1700's, we have no problem with Cruz being eligible. But these hypocrites must declare him ineligible if they have any integrity(which of course we know they don't).

I was shouting from the Mountaintops about Hussein's ineligibility for years, but nobody in Congress seemed to want to listen and investigate some very uncomfortable truths (nothing anyone would find at 'factcheck' or your other bogus sites). So I gave up on the eligibility crusade. To wit, if a Kenyan can be president, so can a Canadian.

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Yes, today is different than the 1700s. That's why an amendment process was inserted.

Although many of the concepts remain the same. Would you be OK with the police kicking down your door and searching your house without a proper warrant? Or is the right of the people to be secure in their houses, papers, effects, etc...against unreasonable searches and seizures just a totally outdated concept? Same for freedom of speech, etc?

Actually, pointing out a government-funded program that isn't in the Constitution is an entirely valid argument against it if it is not covered by the enumerated powers. Do you understand what the enumerated powers are, and how they apply to the tenth amendment I referenced earlier? The Constitution is the framework/foundation for almost every law on the books today. You can't just randomly decide on a whim when to obey or disobey laws.

Every dept, agency and govt program not explicitly listed in the enumerated powers should be scrapped immediately or forced through the amendment process. Not enough consensus at the state and federal level? Too bad, so sad, on to the scrapheap it goes. And no, the Dept of Education wouldn't survive, as well as a gazillion other worthless, dysfunctional redundant govt agencies usurping our rights and freedoms.

The current government crisis is the result of DECADES of arrogance from the ruling class who simply decided they "knew better"

Remember Prohibition? The 18th Amendment prohibits the manufacture, transportation and sale of intoxicating liquors. Whoops, didn't work! So the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th.

THAT IS HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK!

This is why we are in a constitutional crisis: a nation no longer ruled by laws, but by men...even though the millions of ignorant freeloaders who believe in Santa Clause don't know it yet.

OMG!! I'm an 'extremist' stuck in the 1700s...because I want the ruling class to follow the fucking law!!! ##)
 

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