Would you rather have a nice wedding at 26 or retire at 50,lol! You mean the 20,000 to 50,000 will make you retire 12-15 years earlier, not if a person is a degenerate gambler like most here! I know speak for yourself, but I'm only admitting to be one not closet dwellers like most! Funerals are expensive and believe me alot of funeral directors go unpaid as their are alot of families who give the downpayment and a few payments then stop paying! What are they going to do dig up the dead!! Its all bout paying respect not money! Money means nothing while you're gone! If you have money and pass on your money should be spent on you! Lander god forbid but when you pass on whats the over under at your funeral, 5??
The irony of this conversation is that the people that are conservative and view these things as complete wastes of money will actually leave their families well-off and not have to worry about stiffing the guy with the shovel.
That said, I'm just roll over in that grave if I get wind of 5K dropped on a box in the ground.
That said, I'm just roll over in that grave if I get wind of 5K dropped on a box in the ground.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
"Would you rather have a nice wedding when you're 26, or would you rather retire when you're 50?"
Funky,
That is a great question. I'm not sure what the root of over-expendature thinking is - maybe it's that we live in the "charge it" generation.
I think we're in the minority when it comes to appreciating strong fiscal responsibility, and what really scares me is when the, now 20, 30 and 40 year olds emerge as world leaders they might make Bush's sickening deficits seem "conservative."
Where does it stop?
I don't want to foot the bill for other's incompetence.
Oh God, I sound like a GOPer
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've been reading lots of articles on consumerism, the commercialization of culture, etc. It is a very interesting topic, but also somewhat depressing. Makes you realize that lots of American culture is controlled by the media, corporations, advertisers, etc. We're just pawns who jump in our SUVs and buy more stuff we don't need.
"Society is awakening from its fascination with television entertainment to find itself stripped of tradition, controlled by an oppressive power structure and bound to the credit obligations of a defunct American dream."
Anyway, as for the "charge it" generation, I read an amazing stat. Among developed nations, American consumers carry the most debt. However, when it comes to vacation, Americans are near the bottom.
So that means Americans are working lots of hours (in order to earn more money), yet we're #1 in debt. How is this possible? Because millions of Americans no longer know the difference between "want" and "need". They "need" a new car every 2-3 years, they "need" to spend $130 on a pair of jeans. But they can't afford these items, so they go into debt. They basically become indentured servants. They keep working and working in order to buy bigger and better crap.
Anyway, since this is a gambling forum (believe it or not), I'm going to relate my rant to gambling. When you're looking for lines, there is a difference between WANTING a line and NEEDING a line.
In order to be a long-term winner, you absolutely NEED to shop lines and maintain discipline. Three hours before tip-off, the Pistons might be -1. Five minutes before tip-off, you suddenly decide that you WANT some action on the Pistons, but the line has moved to -2.5. If you're not disciplined, you're going to follow your WANTS and take the line @ -2.5. But if you follow your NEEDS, you're gonna say:
Do I really NEED to take the Pistons @ -2.5 when I could've had them @ -1? Do I really NEED to throw 1.5 points down the crapper?
I know lots of us WANT action 24/7, but that's exactly what the books feed upon. Those 1.5 points might not make a difference in the Pistons game, and they might not make a difference in the next game. But in the long-run, those 1.5 points are the difference between winning and losing.
"Would you rather have a nice wedding when you're 26, or would you rather retire when you're 50?"
Funky,
That is a great question. I'm not sure what the root of over-expendature thinking is - maybe it's that we live in the "charge it" generation.
I think we're in the minority when it comes to appreciating strong fiscal responsibility, and what really scares me is when the, now 20, 30 and 40 year olds emerge as world leaders they might make Bush's sickening deficits seem "conservative."
Where does it stop?
I don't want to foot the bill for other's incompetence.
Oh God, I sound like a GOPer
I've been reading lots of articles on consumerism, the commercialization of culture, etc. It is a very interesting topic, but also somewhat depressing. Makes you realize that lots of American culture is controlled by the media, corporations, advertisers, etc. We're just pawns who jump in our SUVs and buy more stuff we don't need.
"Society is awakening from its fascination with television entertainment to find itself stripped of tradition, controlled by an oppressive power structure and bound to the credit obligations of a defunct American dream."
Anyway, as for the "charge it" generation, I read an amazing stat. Among developed nations, American consumers carry the most debt. However, when it comes to vacation, Americans are near the bottom.
So that means Americans are working lots of hours (in order to earn more money), yet we're #1 in debt. How is this possible? Because millions of Americans no longer know the difference between "want" and "need". They "need" a new car every 2-3 years, they "need" to spend $130 on a pair of jeans. But they can't afford these items, so they go into debt. They basically become indentured servants. They keep working and working in order to buy bigger and better crap.
Anyway, since this is a gambling forum (believe it or not), I'm going to relate my rant to gambling. When you're looking for lines, there is a difference between WANTING a line and NEEDING a line.
In order to be a long-term winner, you absolutely NEED to shop lines and maintain discipline. Three hours before tip-off, the Pistons might be -1. Five minutes before tip-off, you suddenly decide that you WANT some action on the Pistons, but the line has moved to -2.5. If you're not disciplined, you're going to follow your WANTS and take the line @ -2.5. But if you follow your NEEDS, you're gonna say:
Do I really NEED to take the Pistons @ -2.5 when I could've had them @ -1? Do I really NEED to throw 1.5 points down the crapper?
I know lots of us WANT action 24/7, but that's exactly what the books feed upon. Those 1.5 points might not make a difference in the Pistons game, and they might not make a difference in the next game. But in the long-run, those 1.5 points are the difference between winning and losing.
I was glad to see some others admit they had a tear in their eye, cuz i too, didnt realize it was on last night, until it was almost over...
When i turned to it, was when they were removing the flag and folding it, and i thought wow, how official, so strict, etc...
Then when the main guy came up and got the flag from the other, and knelt down to hand to Mrs Reagan, and said something to her, it started to hit me, and when she approached the coffin and laid her head on it, i started to feel it....You could she she was getting weak, and starting to break down, and I literally said out loud, "somebody help her, where are her kids, and right about then Patti and Ron Jr. approached and held her up, and i was like "thank god".....
Felt so stupid talking to the tv (especially when i didnt have money on the outcome), but i have been in that position, and u just go weak after its all over...
She's a brave lady, and for 81 years old, held up very well.....
RIP Mr President, we are better off for you having been here.....
When i turned to it, was when they were removing the flag and folding it, and i thought wow, how official, so strict, etc...
Then when the main guy came up and got the flag from the other, and knelt down to hand to Mrs Reagan, and said something to her, it started to hit me, and when she approached the coffin and laid her head on it, i started to feel it....You could she she was getting weak, and starting to break down, and I literally said out loud, "somebody help her, where are her kids, and right about then Patti and Ron Jr. approached and held her up, and i was like "thank god".....
Felt so stupid talking to the tv (especially when i didnt have money on the outcome), but i have been in that position, and u just go weak after its all over...
She's a brave lady, and for 81 years old, held up very well.....
RIP Mr President, we are better off for you having been here.....
Well said Shrink. I don't cry much either but I did tear up. He reminded me alot of my grandfather and their generation. They went through The Great Depression, WWII and then Reagan helped win the cold war and defeat communism. He saved us from WWIII and brought economic prosperity back to the U.S. and rebuilt our military. On top of that he was a man of great character. He restored faith in the country and its people after Vietnam and the Carter years. Farewell Mr. President
What did she do for the country ... O thats right ..JUST SAY NO......did she write that...this Reagan crap gotta stop .. MSNBC was still draging this bullshit out .. good thig i have a DISH ..yes the guy no the MAN was great in the 80s its 2004 now ..the man had ALZHEIMERS over 10 years ...mourn that!!!!!!!!! lets face it the country been doing just fine with out the Reagans..
[This message was edited by Fred Garvin on June 12, 2004 at 05:41 PM.]
[This message was edited by Fred Garvin on June 12, 2004 at 05:41 PM.]
" When I die I hope everybody can take off work and make it a national holiday because I was the president "
Ronald "Notorious" Reagan 2004
Big funeral, big hype because your notorious is definately the lifestyle.
It's just to bad you bled and took your last breath just like every other American that came in front of you. But when they die nobody will care.
Why cant everybody just be like this,
" We die clutchin glasses, filled with liquor bomblastic / Cremated, last wishes smoke my ashes "
Tupac Shakur 1996
Ronald "Notorious" Reagan 2004
Big funeral, big hype because your notorious is definately the lifestyle.
It's just to bad you bled and took your last breath just like every other American that came in front of you. But when they die nobody will care.
Why cant everybody just be like this,
" We die clutchin glasses, filled with liquor bomblastic / Cremated, last wishes smoke my ashes "
Tupac Shakur 1996
