here's a few counterpoints: you mention what have Hawaii done against good defenses: Boise, Oreg. St., Florida right?--well think about it, All three games were road games, 2 of which were within the 1st month of the season while Hawaii's offense was strugling to figure out the run&shoot with 5 new starters at skill positions(QB & all 4 WR spots). As for Boise st.-Hawaii lost by 20 pt.s------In boise's other 5 home wins the avg margin of victory was 35 points while boise's opponents have averaged. 8 points a game. As for BCS bowl positioning, It's all but a lock that Cincy will play the ACC champion in the Orange Bowl no matter what the outcome of this weekends games is. And I did catch the Hawaii-WASU game, and I do agree that Hawaii's O-line is a weakness of this team right now, however about 2 or 3 of those 5 sacks were more on the QB than inefficient pass protection. QB Alexander did tend to look downfield for the homerun ball, and as a result holding the ball a little too long.--nothing that can't corrected. By the way Hawaii lost by 46 at florida 1st game of the season right?---how much did South Carolina lose by:50----Kentucky:58---@Georgia:39----@Vandy:28----@FSU:30---LSU:30----@Ark:31----------Hawaii scored more points(10) on florida's defense than Miami:3, Tennessee:6, Arkansas:7, Kentucky:5, South Carolina:6, and scored the same amount as Georgia:10------also in the Oregan st. loss hawaii scored on the very first drive, and in boise st. hawaii scored on its 2nd possesion of the 2nd qtr.---Sometimes ya gotta do a little more research to make your points stick.
lets see: rutgers lost to Fresno st.(at home) and Navy. WV lost to ECU and Colorado. Pitt lost to Bowling Green and needed OT to beat notre dame(yuck). and S. Flor. lost to Pitt , cincy louisville and rutgers.-----News Flash buddy--the Big East ain't the BIG 12, maybe you should smoke you're own crack champ.:missingte
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I see the line is currently Cincinnati -7.5 at The Greek:
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I am very tempted to "buy the hook" and take Cincinnati -7 (-120).
I think the Bearcats will be very focused in their quest for a better bowl.
I see a Cincinnati winning this one by 14 to 17 points at a minimum.
Good luck with your play! :toast:
I see the line is currently Cincinnati -7.5 at The Greek:
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I am very tempted to "buy the hook" and take Cincinnati -7 (-120).
I think the Bearcats will be very focused in their quest for a better bowl.
I see a Cincinnati winning this one by 14 to 17 points at a minimum.
Good luck with your play! :toast:
Cincy is a very focused, disciplined team while Hawaii is not...count on Coach Kelly to keep this team that way on this trip as a loss or even a close game here will be a disappointment to him...He likes to cover the spread so this will be a solid win...Look for the Bearcats to get up in the first half and coast to a 14 point or more win...Im taking them for the first half and game..
Good luck to you!
Agree with you Smacksmitter on the discipline and focus points for both teams, however to assume a HC likes to cover the spread is kind of presumtuous don't you think?-also cincy's ATS this season is 6-5 in all games, 3-3 in road games, and 3-5 on saturdays. So I guess he doesn't like to cover saturday games right? GL to you
The point I was making was whether they scored their lone score early or late in a game, Hawaii hasn't done well against BCS competetion this season. And historically though Hawaii has played BCS competetion tough at home in the past, they haven't had very much luck against good ranked BCS competetion at home. 2002 was the last time they covered against a ranked BCS team at home. And that was a much better Hawaii team than this one. And a a rule, more often than not they give up much more yardage on defense against the better offenses. Even the ones within their own conference. Fresno gained over 500 yards on them, Nevada had 473 and Oregon State had 485. Boise was their best defensive effort of the year. But they haven't done that well before or since that game. And even though Cincy only averages about 360 ypg. They are in a conference that plays much better and more sound defense than the WAC. My bet is Cincy will have at least 400 yards in this game. The question is can Hawaii match them? It's always possible that Hawaii can stay within the number. Especially if the number gets over 8. But I don't believe the odds are as good as you think. As for the orange Bowl, I heard that the only conference who is locked in to that bowl is the ACC. Cincy could be given the option to go somewhere else if they beat Hawaii and end with a 11-2 record. I've heard everything from Cincy vs Ohio State is a possible BCS game if OSU makes it in, to Cincy vs Boise St. Either one of those games would be an improvement over playing the ACC champ. So Brian Kelly might be taking this game seriously. At any rate he's a coach who likes to beat the spread whenever he gets a chance. This alone would scare me off this bet.here's a few counterpoints: you mention what have Hawaii done against good defenses: Boise, Oreg. St., Florida right?--well think about it, All three games were road games, 2 of which were within the 1st month of the season while Hawaii's offense was strugling to figure out the run&shoot with 5 new starters at skill positions(QB & all 4 WR spots). As for Boise st.-Hawaii lost by 20 pt.s------In boise's other 5 home wins the avg margin of victory was 35 points while boise's opponents have averaged. 8 points a game. As for BCS bowl positioning, It's all but a lock that Cincy will play the ACC champion in the Orange Bowl no matter what the outcome of this weekends games is. And I did catch the Hawaii-WASU game, and I do agree that Hawaii's O-line is a weakness of this team right now, however about 2 or 3 of those 5 sacks were more on the QB than inefficient pass protection. QB Alexander did tend to look downfield for the homerun ball, and as a result holding the ball a little too long.--nothing that can't corrected. By the way Hawaii lost by 46 at florida 1st game of the season right?---how much did South Carolina lose by:50----Kentucky:58---@Georgia:39----@Vandy:28----@FSU:30---LSU:30----@Ark:31----------Hawaii scored more points(10) on florida's defense than Miami:3, Tennessee:6, Arkansas:7, Kentucky:5, South Carolina:6, and scored the same amount as Georgia:10------also in the Oregan st. loss hawaii scored on the very first drive, and in boise st. hawaii scored on its 2nd possesion of the 2nd qtr.---Sometimes ya gotta do a little more research to make your points stick.
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Just a few more things to consider that came out of Brian Kelly's press conference this week:
Kelly said this will NOT be a bye week for Cincy. That their gunning for the first 11 win season in Cincy history.
He said his team had a commitement from the beginning of the season to finish in the top 10. Which means they have to win this game and then their bowl game and finish 13-2.
Kelly said he booked Hawaii two years ago for the extra game exemption to make his team better. His agenda hasn't changed. This is a business trip.
Kelly said this will NOT be a bye week for Cincy. That their gunning for the first 11 win season in Cincy history.
He said his team had a commitement from the beginning of the season to finish in the top 10. Which means they have to win this game and then their bowl game and finish 13-2.
Kelly said he booked Hawaii two years ago for the extra game exemption to make his team better. His agenda hasn't changed. This is a business trip.
Really......
and what are the names of these so called "BOOKS IN HAWAII" that have reported this? To my knowledge there are no casinos or indian reservations in Hawaii(although there should be as Hawaiians are actually native americans whose land were taken from them!),so your statement is absolutely ludacris and very misleading. Good luck with your pick
and what are the names of these so called "BOOKS IN HAWAII" that have reported this? To my knowledge there are no casinos or indian reservations in Hawaii(although there should be as Hawaiians are actually native americans whose land were taken from them!),so your statement is absolutely ludacris and very misleading. Good luck with your pick
I dont know if this helps but everyone here in Hawaii IS pounding cincy. Hawaii does show up when it comes to out of conference BCS schools coming here but this Hawaii team is a shell of itself from teams in years past. Cincy is the right play without a shadow of a doubt. I honestly dont see UH scoring more than 17 and cincy will shred this d apart. Hawaii will not be able to stop cincy!!! The only way Hawaii covers this game is if they win the TO battle by +3 or more and I highly doubt that will happen. This will be one of my biggest plays ytd. GL whichever way you choose but you should really reconsider making any type of play on the warriors...
Thank you sir for you for you valuable insight, however if everyone in Hawaii is pounding cincy then why has the line already dropped to 7 at most sites? Are the these Hawaii people betting coconuts and taro? Seems like smart money is coming in on the team in green, while the public money is coming in on the "BCS" bowl bound team. Good luck with your pick.
I think the important thing here is if your going to play Hawaii, play them at over 7 points. Preferably 8 or better if it makes it that high. Cincy isn't a great rushing team, so their probably not going to run off and hide from anybody, including Hawaii. But they do have a very good stop unit. The more I look at this game the closer it gets. And one thing Hawaii does have going for it is Cincy hasn't had any dominating beat down wins this year against BCS competetion. But I still don't trust Hawaii at +7 or 7.5 where it's at now in most books. I would need to have another point or two..
from USA Today
Cincinnati (10-2) plays Hawaii (7-5) Saturday night at Aloha Stadium. The 10 victories ties a school-record established last season. By virtue of its Big East title, UC likely will play in either the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl.
"We appreciate the opportunity to represent the Big East Conference in the BCS," said Kelly. "It's an enormous responsibility. Our seniors can make this a historic season. They have a chance to win 11 games. They have a chance to make this a top-10 program with two more wins."
The Bearcats face a similar motivational dilemma as last week against Syracuse. With a share of the Big East championship already assured, Kelly kept his team focused on beating the Orange and winning the title outright. Saturday at Hawaii, the Bearcats have little to play for aside from a school-record 11th victory.
Cincinnati (10-2) plays Hawaii (7-5) Saturday night at Aloha Stadium. The 10 victories ties a school-record established last season. By virtue of its Big East title, UC likely will play in either the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl.
"We appreciate the opportunity to represent the Big East Conference in the BCS," said Kelly. "It's an enormous responsibility. Our seniors can make this a historic season. They have a chance to win 11 games. They have a chance to make this a top-10 program with two more wins."
The Bearcats face a similar motivational dilemma as last week against Syracuse. With a share of the Big East championship already assured, Kelly kept his team focused on beating the Orange and winning the title outright. Saturday at Hawaii, the Bearcats have little to play for aside from a school-record 11th victory.
