More war veterans are committing suicide than are dying in combat overseas.

[bblight]

I basically disagree with everything you post. I don't have time to argue what really happened in Viet Nam with an Air Force non combatant.

I am very familiar with the VA and don't feel they were part of the real problem back in the 60s and 70s or even now in the present day. I agree 100% with Kerry about the atrocities US forces commited in SEA
40 or so years ago.. You are so blinded by your political bias that you cannot see the forrest for the trees.

Given a time machine to go back to early Novemeber of 2000 I am sure you would vote for Bush again.

Your liberal media is responsible for everything drivel is also even more redudant today than it was back in 2004 when it was your mantra.

Read Home to War: A History of the Vietnam Veterans' Movement by Gerald Nicosia (available at Amazon) and learn the truth.

Look around for a change and see what has happened in the last 8 years to the United States, it's criminal.

I consider myself lucky to be able to live in Latin America now.


wilheim

I basically disagree with everything you post. I don't have time to argue what really happened in Viet Nam with an Air Force non combatant.

Jesus Wil - what a weak statement. I know you're a liberal, but I always thought better of you than this.

You don't know me or my history in Vietnam or in South Korea in '68, yet you instantly marginalize me because I was in the Air Force - a "REMF" as you put it. I hope it makes you feel better.

 

[wilheim]

festeringZit

I don't see how anyone can deny that the media and hollywood has
a huge liberal bias?<!-- / message -->

Hollywood is Hollywood, they make movies, almost 100% fiction. Because many actors and other people in that business are for the most part liberal thinking does not mean making a movie is in anyway political one way or another. Ask Spiderman.

The actual visual media (TV and internet) and print media is only liberal to you because you think it is. Watch Fox News and you should be fine.

BTW. I agree 100% that you are certainly entitled to your own opinion about any subject you want to bring up - from sports to greenhouse gas emisions. That is your right as a human being.



wil..

 

[gtc08]

wilheim, you'd vote for obama over mccain right?

 

[Mistermj]

Hollywood is Hollywood, they make movies, almost 100% fiction. Because many actors and other people in that business are for the most part liberal thinking does not mean making a movie is in anyway political one way or another. Ask Spiderman.

The actual visual media (TV and internet) and print media is only liberal to you because you think it is. Watch Fox News and you should be fine.

BTW. I agree 100% that you are certainly entitled to your own opinion about any subject you want to bring up - from sports to greenhouse gas emisions. That is your right as a human being.



wil..

It's a well know fact that over 90% of the main stream media votes Democrat.

Human nature argues the liberal bias point extremely well.

 

[bblight]

Military Service Branch Number of Casualties in Vietnam
Air Force 2,584 (mostly air crew, which did not include Blight's AFSC)
Army 38,209
Coast Guard 7
Marine Corps 14,838
Navy 2,555

Total 58,193

As usual it was the Army and the Marines who saw the action. The same is true of the Iraq/Afghanistan live combat experience breakdown.

wil.

So what?

I've never debated that I was in the Air Force and not out there in the field looking for trouble. I did have a cushy situation compared to the ground pounders.

Does it make me less of a man because I was thoughtful enough to enlist in the Air Force rather than wait to be drafted or enlist into the Army or Marines?

And as I've stated before - you don't know me, what I did or what I went through - so what gives you the right to make assumptions and judgements?

 

[festeringZit]

"The actual visual media (TV and internet) and print media is only liberal to you because you think it is. Watch Fox News and you should be fine."

Sorry, but it's not liberal because I think it is. But I guess we'll have
to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[gtc08]

So what?

I've never debated that I was in the Air Force and not out there in the field looking for trouble. I did have a cushy situation compared to the ground pounders.

Does it make me less of a man because I was thoughtful enough to enlist in the Air Force rather than wait to be drafted or enlist into the Army or Marines?

And as I've stated before - you don't know me, what I did or what I went through - so what gives you the right to make assumptions and judgements?

you leave yourself open for it when you yourself make assumptions about other people.

 

[wilheim]

Blight

yet you instantly marginalize me because I was in the Air Force - a "REMF" as you put it. I hope it makes you feel better.<!-- / message -->

You brought that on yourself for criticising a real combat veteran John Kerry. You have a lot of nerve to say some of the things you have about him on this forum if you ask me. It wasn't instant either, you have had it coming for years.

Of course I would guess in your eyes John McCain is a national hero for his performace as a POW.

With you it's always labels - Democrats or liberal minded people are cowards, liars and subversives. Heaven forbid someone feels it is OK to help out the millions of poor and homeless individuals that call The United States home..

Republicans are patriots and real Americans who are the only ones that can serve with distinction.


I'm done with this as I have a lot of work to do.






wil.

 

[bblight]

Look around for a change and see what has happened in the last 8 years to the United States, it's criminal.

wilheim

We were attacked in 2001 when more than 3,000 lives were lost and the media and many politicians have made a political hurricaine out of it because they disagree with the war.

I agree that Bush has done a terrible job communicating with the people and managing the war - and his arrogance knows no bounds - he's been a terrible President.

I disagree about the war - my opinion is if it didn't happen then, it would happen sooner or later.

If Gore and Kerry weren't such arrogant nincompoops themselves, we might be having a different debate.

I still don't see what any of this has to do with the poor treatment our soldiers get from certain groups.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

My guess is that we would be substantially less informed if the media walked lockstep with the war mongerers. Perhaps we never would have heard of Abu Ghraib, rendition, torture, the condition of Walter Reed, etc., etc., etc. As a moderate, I am grateful that the media is biased in the other direction of what I consider to be an evil administration.


Well...ignorance is indeed bliss. Perhaps we wouldn't be so aware of how far and how fast this country has fallen in recent years. It's so much easier to believe everything the government spoonfeeds you.

 

[bblight]

My guess is that we would be substantially less informed if the media walked lockstep with the war mongerers. Perhaps we never would have heard of Abu Ghraib, rendition, torture, the condition of Walter Reed, etc., etc., etc.


Well...ignorance is indeed bliss. Perhaps we wouldn't be so aware of how far and how fast this country has fallen in recent years. It's so much easier to believe everything the government spoonfeeds you.

I'm not sure how this fits in with denigrating the enlisted ranks.

 

[bblight]

You brought that on yourself for criticising a real combat veteran John Kerry. You have a lot of nerve to say some of the things you have about him on this forum if you ask me. It wasn't instant either, you have had it coming for years.

Of course I would guess in your eyes John McCain is a national hero for his performace as a POW.

With you it's always labels - Democrats or liberal minded people are cowards, liars and subversives. Heaven forbid someone feels it is OK to help out the millions of poor and homeless individuals that call The United States home..

Republicans are patriots and real Americans who are the only ones that can serve with distinction.

I'm done with this as I have a lot of work to do.

wil.

With you it's always labels -

And you're not doing exactly the same thing?

I'm also done - I have to go to the bathroom and barf!

 

[random1323]

BB, your being labeled because of all the stupid things you've posted

 

[Romanowski]

it takes serous cojones to be a combat veteran

I dont think Wil believes in pacifism which is what a lot of you are riding his words coatails on

random you are telling other people they post dumb shit? lol

 

[random1323]

his posts aren't dumb?

 

[bblight]

I consider myself lucky to be able to live in Latin America now.


wilheim

And he calls me a REMF. :lolBIG:

 

[docmercer--banned]

BBlight is a PHONY AMERICAN and glad to see his ass called out on the carpet

GREAT JOB GUYS !!!

 

[barman]

And he calls me a REMF. :lolBIG:

Beats living in Massachusetts and just being a grumpy old man who bitches about all the Libs/Pinkos/Homos/Libs messing with his world while forcing Mrs BBL to be constantly cleaning up your oatmeal spilled when you scream at the television and knock over your TV tray.

 

[berq]

I call bullshit on your stats and their origin

You provide no proof other than some leftist's opinion....

I'll bet you've never set foot in a Veterans Hospital for anything other than to visit an uncle and you've damn sure never been in Walter Reed

There's not one iota of valuable, provable information in your whole thread...

More talkin the talk from those who've never walked the walk speaking out and presumably sticking up for troops who wouldn't give you any more than the time of day

Rack me!

Been there. Done that.

 

[berq]

...and btw....Hanoi John Kerry is a disingenous cowardly ass who served in the Brown Water Navy, where medals never came cheaper...