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Still wondering why DaFinch abandoned this thread.

Anyone have an idea??

lol .... I think this thread possibly put him in a vegetable type coma, or he completely died from all the knockouts he has taken in this thread.
 

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Woohoo! Doctors are no longer accepting new Obamacare patients in the Hildabeast's home state!

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NY hospitals, doctors fear Health Republic meltdown will cost them millions
http://www.syracuse.com/health/index.ssf/2015/11/bag.html

How New York's biggest Obamacare health insurer went broke
http://www.syracuse.com/health/index.ssf/2015/11/health_republic_1.html

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It's gonna be fun watching the witch trying to defend the community organizer's "signature achievement"

#ObamacareCriticsEatingCrow!

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I thought Iraq was his greatest achievement

Does anyone think Barry, Harry and Nancy know what's in Obamacare TODAY? Rhetorical question, only fucking idiot libtards don't know the truth, but they never do
 

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Still wondering why DaFinch abandoned this thread.

Anyone have an idea??

lol .... I think this thread possibly put him in a vegetable type coma, or he completely died from all the knockouts he has taken in this thread.


it's not because he knows the truth my friend, or because he thinks he lost this battle

they simply don't comprehend the truth

and while vitterd likes to say I have no idea what living in the poor inner-city is like, or what those people go through (something I've experienced first hand), I want to suggest they don't know what failure is, what losing something means, because they've never succeeded and they've never had something to lose (economically)

as long as that welfare state grows, they be happy
 

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The Ultimate Fail: Being forced to abandon your own thread!

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The Ultimate Fail: Being forced to abandon your own thread!

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Quite funny! Lol... and Imagine how excited and happy he was, and couldnt post this topic fast enough when he started it. Now he wishes it would just die
 

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Quite funny! Lol... and Imagine how excited and happy he was, and couldnt post this topic fast enough when he started it. Now he wishes it would just die

This thread could have so much potential if only those stubborn conservatives in this forum would man up and come eat their crow.

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Schmucks like Cruz and Perry actually have Presidential aspirations, Repubs making fools of themselves in Congress. Ahhh...

[h=1]5 years later, ‘Obamacare’ critics can’t believe their lying eyes[/h] 03/23/15 08:00 AM—Updated 03/23/15 12:17 PM
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By Steve Benen
Exactly five years ago today, the White House hosted a signing ceremony in the East Room for one of the most important policy breakthroughs in a generation. Policymakers from both parties have talked about providing health security for all of the nation’s families for roughly a century, but on March 23, 2010, officials gathered not just to talk but to celebrate action.

Vice President Biden introduced President Obama to the audience and, in comments that weren’t intended for the public’s ears, said to the president off-mic, “This is a big f***ing deal.” Five years later, there’s little doubt that Biden was entirely correct.

If you’d told me five years ago that on March 23, 2015, the Affordable Care Act would exceed expectations on every possible metric, including reducing the nation’s uninsured rate by a third, I’d say “Obamacare” would look like a great success. And fortunately for the country, that’s exactly what’s happened.

Anniversaries are a good time to pause, reflect, and take stock, and when it comes to health care reform, objective observers are going to find it easy on the ACA’s fifth anniversary to appreciate the law’s triumphs. But it’s also a good time to take a moment to acknowledge those who told Americans exactly what to expect from the Affordable Care Act – and who got the story backwards.

Failed Prediction #1: Americans won’t enroll in the ACA

In 2009 and 2010, it was widely assumed among Republicans that Democrats had fundamentally miscalculated public demand and consumers would show no real interest in signing up for coverage through the Affordable Care Act. Indeed, among some on the right, this was a foregone conclusion – Americans wouldn’t trust “Obamacare.” We now know, of course, that the opposite is true and that millions of families have eagerly signed up for benefits through the ACA.

Failed Prediction #2: The ACA won’t meet its enrollment goals

OK, so maybe some consumers would enroll, Republicans eventually said, but the ACA would inevitably lose the numbers game when the enrollment projections proved overly ambitious. In reality, both this year and last year, enrollment totals exceeded the Obama administration’s preliminary projections.

Failed Prediction #3: Insurers will want no part of the ACA system


Conservatives were absolutely convinced that private insurers would refuse to participate in the ACA’s exchange marketplaces, repeating the prediction over and over again. This also proved to be the opposite of the truth, as insurance companies have been eager to compete for Americans’ business.

Failed Prediction #4: The economy will suffer terribly because of ‘Obamacare’

Among Republicans, there was near-certainty that 2014 – the first full year for ACA implementation – would be an abysmal year for the American job market. After all, it seemed obvious to the right that “Obamacare” would crush job creation and push unemployment higher. In reality, 2014 was the best year for American job creation since the ’90s; the unemployment has shown sharp improvement; and there’s literally no evidence that the ACA had an adverse effect on economic growth at all.

Failed Prediction #5: Even if Americans enrolled, they won’t pay their premiums

When the evidence started looking good for the ACA, Republicans got a little desperate, looking for ways to downplay good news, and the “people won’t pay their premiums” talking point took root. It was, however, completely wrong.

Failed Prediction #6: Even if people pay their premiums, the flawed ACA structure will send premiums soaring

Those hoping to see the American system fail counted on soaring insurance premiums. This just hasn’t happened and the ACA model has proven to be quite effective.

Failed Prediction #7: The ACA won’t reduce the uninsured rate because it will only help those who already have coverage

This was a GOP favorite for quite a while, right up until the evidence proved the right had this backwards, too.

Failed Prediction #8: The ACA will lead to a “net loss” on overall coverage

This line was pushed by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) for a while, with the Republican leader arguing a year ago that “Obamacare” would end coverage for more people than it would expand coverage to, “a net loss.” Boehner said, “I actually do believe that to be the case.” As it turns out, his actual beliefs were ridiculously wrong.

Failed Prediction #9: The ACA will lead to higher deficits and a weaker fiscal footing for the nation

One of the projections that never sat well for Republicans, who sometimes pretend to care about the deficit, was that “Obamacare” would reduce the nation’s deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars in the coming years. The GOP assumed the non-partisan budget analyses were wrong and proceeded to tell the country the law would make the deficit larger and “bankrupt” the country. According to the Congressional Budget Office, however, Republicans got this backwards, too. In fact, the overall price tag of the ACA is now smaller than previously projected.

Failed Prediction #10: Americans will end up hating the coverage they receive through the ACA

Customer satisfaction rates came as a huge surprise to Republicans, who expected the opposite results: “A majority of Americans give good reviews for insurance they recently acquired through government exchanges within the past year, a new poll shows. With the second round of Obamacare enrollment set to begin on Saturday, 71 percent said their coverage through the exchanges was good or excellent, according to a Gallup poll released Friday. Another 19 percent said the coverage was fair, while 9 percent rated it poorly.”

That’s 10 failed predictions and we could keep going. ACA critics were wrong about the “death spiral.” And “rate shock.” And the notion that young people wouldn’t enroll. And assertions that Medicare patients would suffer. None of these predictions – literally, none of them – stood up to scrutiny.

Making matters slightly worse, five years later, none of the prominent figures in Republican politics who were wrong are willing to take responsibility for their failed predictions. On the contrary, there’s apparently no real accountability at all – the same GOP policymakers who’ve been wrong about every aspect of the debate haven’t even tried to offer an explanation for their mistakes and misjudgments. They’re far too busy scheduling dozens of floor votes to repeal the successful law and have neither the time nor the inclination to explain their abysmal predictive powers and fact-free critiques (or offer a credible alternative).

The debate has descended into an unsatisfying dialog between those who can point to evidence and those who say the law is a “disaster” out of habit, without regard for substance or reality.

So which prediction is "FAILED" now???

lmao... Come on DaFinch... I got a nice plate of crow for ya!
 

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So which prediction is "FAILED" now???

lmao... Come on DaFinch... I got a nice plate of crow for ya!
It’s not nice to kick a guy when he’s down but it is funny as hell.


Vit will be along shortly to declare victory for Duh Finch.

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https://www.dailykos.com/story/2014...n-Reiterates-In-New-VIDEO?detail=emailclassic

I'm amazed to see that a one time harsh critic could actually be objective. A year old, yes, but true all the same.




Rolling Stone: Obama Is One Of The 'Most Successful Presidents In History' - Krugman Tells Why



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Earlier this week, Nobel Prize winner, and harsh critic of President Obama, Paul Krugman, made a turnaround and praised the president in his Rolling Stone article. Also a Princeton Professor of Economics, Krugman writes:
"Obama has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history."
The author of 20 books and writer for the New York Times, Krugman goes on to list several key achievements Obama has made during, what Krugman calls, a 'wave of Obama-bashing' by 'mainstream pundits and talking heads.'
"His health reform is imperfect but still a huge step forward – and it’s working better than anyone expected. Financial reform fell far short of what should have happened, but it’s much more effective than you’d think. Economic management has been half-crippled by Republican obstruction, but has nonetheless been much better than in other advanced countries. And environmental policy is starting to look like it could be a major legacy."​
On a very positive note, Krugman believes Democrats are doing better than expected in the Red states, which signifies a president who has done well:
"Obviously the midterm election hasn’t happened yet, but in a year when Republicans have a huge structural advantage – Democrats are defending a disproportionate number of Senate seats in deep-red states – most analyses suggest that control of the Senate is in doubt, with Democrats doing considerably better than they were supposed to. This isn’t what you’d expect to see if a failing president were dragging his party down. More important, however, polls – or even elections – are not the measure of a president. High office shouldn’t be about putting points on the electoral scoreboard, it should be about changing the country for the better. Has Obama done that? Do his achievements look likely to endure? The answer to both questions is yes."
Here is today's ABC news video link of Jonathan Carl interviewing Paul Krugman after the Rolling Stone piece, titled, Paul Krugman: Obama a 'Consequential' President'. Krugman reiterates Rolling Stone highlights: This is good to hear. We still have a very tough and extremely close election ahead. By continuing to join together to fight the GOP/Tea Party extremists (visit this Act Blue site) we can save this country from further damage by a party of obstruction and greed, that plays up to the richest individuals and corporate powerhouses. Republicans have stepped on, then spat on, America's working class, veterans, women, children, the poor, climate change… and blocked equal pay, veterans benefits, raising the minimum wage, and helping college students with their hefty debts … The list goes on, showing Republicans have been on the wrong side of history for too long, and we can, and will, change this November 4th.
 

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it's a clusterfuck, and sadly critics swept the board

I was right about everything, every minutia, every issue, every prediction, every adverse consequence. It's actually significantly worse than even I thought

I wish it wasn't true, I wish Obama got something right, but he didn't
 

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Absolutely priceless.

You're dumbFinch. You've been clowned beyond belief in this thread after having posted an article which turned out to be as wrong as could be. So, how do you respond?

By posting another completely unrelated op-ed puff piece that was written earlier than the one he posted to kick off this thread.

Yes, folks. He really is that fucking stupid...as incredible as it may seem.

Keep working that sucking end of a truck stop glory hole, Finch. It's literally all you've got going for you.
 

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Absolutely priceless.

You're dumbFinch. You've been clowned beyond belief in this thread after having posted an article which turned out to be as wrong as could be. So, how do you respond?

By posting another completely unrelated op-ed puff piece that was written earlier than the one he posted to kick off this thread.

Yes, folks. He really is that fucking stupid...as incredible as it may seem.

Keep working that sucking end of a truck stop glory hole, Finch. It's literally all you've got going for you.

I already pointed out when the article was written, you fucking moron. The point is that it was written by a harsh critic of Obama who had to grudgingly admit that he was wrong, unlike all the right wing whack jobs in this forum. Gnash your teeth all you want, bitch, in less then one year, you're gonna take it in the ass with no vaseline once again, then you'll get to whine for at least another 4 years about how stupid the unwashed masses are, lol.
 

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I already pointed out when the article was written, you fucking moron. The point is that it was written by a harsh critic of Obama who had to grudgingly admit that he was wrong, unlike all the right wing whack jobs in this forum. Gnash your teeth all you want, bitch, in less then one year, you're gonna take it in the ass with no vaseline once again, then you'll get to whine for at least another 4 years about how stupid the unwashed masses are, lol.


And as I pointed out, the article was completely unrelated to the original post you made in this thread. Boy, way to show us all!

You literally are so fucking dumb that it's pointless to even respond to you. You've got mountains of data proving how wrong you are, and you can't understand what someone says when they point out why you're wrong. Literally everyone here knows it.
 

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And as I pointed out, the article was completely unrelated to the original post you made in this thread. Boy, way to show us all!

You literally are so fucking dumb that it's pointless to even respond to you. You've got mountains of data proving how wrong you are, and you can't understand what someone says when they point out why you're wrong. Literally everyone here knows it.

How the FUCK is an article by a harsh critic of Obama's stating, grudgingly, that Obama has been "The 'Most Successful Presidents In History' -"completely unrelated" to my original post, asshole???? You're a fucking moron, and everybody with an ounce of objectivity knows it.
 

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Gee, Republican whack job claiming Obamacare doesn't work and being VERY much in the minority on that view; where have I run into THAT before?!?!





Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin says Obamacare not working—70 percent of Kentuckians disagree



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Friday Dec 11, 2015 7:29 AM PST



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A new poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation finds that 72 percent of all Kentuckians want to keep Medicaid the same, opposing Gov. Matt Bevin’s calls to repeal or change the program in Kentucky. Kentucky is rare among southern states in that leadership under Democratic former Gov. Steve Beshear chose to expand Medicaid to cover low-income healthy adults and run the state health insurance marketplace. The innovative program used re-branding (changing its state marketplace name to Kynect) to market to citizens who demonstrated an aversion to “Obamacare,” but less so to its central policies.
Bevin ran on a platform to dismantle Kynect and roll back the Medicaid expansion and won handily in November’s election. However, his constituents now oppose some of these core policy points. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation survey:
The poll finds that Kentuckians are divided, leaning negative in their views of the ACA in general (41 percent favorable, 49 percent unfavorable), but they feel more positively about the two biggest ways the law has played out in their state. Over six in ten (63 percent) have a favorable view of the Medicaid expansion, and more have a favorable than an unfavorable view of Kynect (42 percent versus 28 percent, with 29 percent saying they don’t know enough to say). Asked about next steps, more than seven in ten residents (72 percent) say they would prefer to keep the state’s Medicaid program as it is today rather than change it to cover fewer people. One in five (20 percent) would prefer to scale back the program so that fewer people are covered. When it comes to the health insurance marketplace, about half (52 percent) want the new governor to keep Kynect, while roughly a quarter (26 percent) would prefer to switch to the federal marketplace and 18 percent aren’t sure. As in the nation as a whole, Kentuckians’ views on the ACA and its provisions divide sharply along party lines. However, when it comes to Medicaid, even 54 percent of Republicans and 43 percent of those who say they voted for Governor Bevin would prefer to keep Medicaid as it is today rather than scale it back to cover fewer people.
The survey also shows the general effectiveness of the re-brand, noting disapproval for policies known as “Obamacare” or the “Affordable Care Act” but approval for Kynect and the Medicaid expansion, two policies that are a part of the ACA.
The take home here is murky. Bevin is doing what he pledged to do when he was elected, which is to deny thousands of Kentuckians affordable health care that they are already receiving. But he has already dialed back some plans in the face of opposition, and instead proposed an approach that would likely put more financial risk on the covered low-income adults.

According to the New York Times:
Asked about the poll findings, Jessica Ditto, a spokeswoman for Mr. Bevin, said: “Obamacare is not working in Kentucky, and Governor Bevin is committed to finding a practical and efficient solution that will improve health outcomes. The administration will take deliberate and prudent steps to develop a health care plan that Kentucky can afford.”
This news is a good sign for ACA proponents in the South and solid evidence that regional marketing can overcome bad publicity about Obamacare and make the program palatable, even to staunch Republican voters. And it turns out that people generally like having affordable health care once they get it.







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A new poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation finds that 72 percent of all Kentuckians want to keep Medicaid the same, opposing Gov. Matt Bevin’s calls to repeal or change the program in Kentucky. Kentucky is rare among southern states in that leadership under Democratic former Gov. Steve Beshear chose to expand Medicaid to cover low-income healthy adults and run the state health insurance marketplace. The innovative program used re-branding (changing its state marketplace name to Kynect) to market to citizens who demonstrated an aversion to “Obamacare,” but less so to its central policies.
Bevin ran on a platform to dismantle Kynect and roll back the Medicaid expansion and won handily in November’s election. However, his constituents now oppose some of these core policy points. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation survey:
The poll finds that Kentuckians are divided, leaning negative in their views of the ACA in general (41 percent favorable, 49 percent unfavorable), but they feel more positively about the two biggest ways the law has played out in their state. Over six in ten (63 percent) have a favorable view of the Medicaid expansion, and more have a favorable than an unfavorable view of Kynect (42 percent versus 28 percent, with 29 percent saying they don’t know enough to say). Asked about next steps, more than seven in ten residents (72 percent) say they would prefer to keep the state’s Medicaid program as it is today rather than change it to cover fewer people. One in five (20 percent) would prefer to scale back the program so that fewer people are covered. When it comes to the health insurance marketplace, about half (52 percent) want the new governor to keep Kynect, while roughly a quarter (26 percent) would prefer to switch to the federal marketplace and 18 percent aren’t sure. As in the nation as a whole, Kentuckians’ views on the ACA and its provisions divide sharply along party lines. However, when it comes to Medicaid, even 54 percent of Republicans and 43 percent of those who say they voted for Governor Bevin would prefer to keep Medicaid as it is today rather than scale it back to cover fewer people.
The survey also shows the general effectiveness of the re-brand, noting disapproval for policies known as “Obamacare” or the “Affordable Care Act” but approval for Kynect and the Medicaid expansion, two policies that are a part of the ACA.
The take home here is murky. Bevin is doing what he pledged to do when he was elected, which is to deny thousands of Kentuckians affordable health care that they are already receiving. But he has already dialed back some plans in the face of opposition, and instead proposed an approach that would likely put more financial risk on the covered low-income adults.

According to the New York Times:
Asked about the poll findings, Jessica Ditto, a spokeswoman for Mr. Bevin, said: “Obamacare is not working in Kentucky, and Governor Bevin is committed to finding a practical and efficient solution that will improve health outcomes. The administration will take deliberate and prudent steps to develop a health care plan that Kentucky can afford.”
This news is a good sign for ACA proponents in the South and solid evidence that regional marketing can overcome bad publicity about Obamacare and make the program palatable, even to staunch Republican voters. And it turns out that people generally like having affordable health care once they get it.


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A new poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation finds that 72 percent of all Kentuckians want to keep Medicaid the same, opposing Gov. Matt Bevin’s calls to repeal or change the program in Kentucky. Kentucky is rare among southern states in that leadership under Democratic former Gov. Steve Beshear chose to expand Medicaid to cover low-income healthy adults and run the state health insurance marketplace. The innovative program used re-branding (changing its state marketplace name to Kynect) to market to citizens who demonstrated an aversion to “Obamacare,” but less so to its central policies.
Bevin ran on a platform to dismantle Kynect and roll back the Medicaid expansion and won handily in November’s election. However, his constituents now oppose some of these core policy points. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation survey:
The poll finds that Kentuckians are divided, leaning negative in their views of the ACA in general (41 percent favorable, 49 percent unfavorable), but they feel more positively about the two biggest ways the law has played out in their state. Over six in ten (63 percent) have a favorable view of the Medicaid expansion, and more have a favorable than an unfavorable view of Kynect (42 percent versus 28 percent, with 29 percent saying they don’t know enough to say). Asked about next steps, more than seven in ten residents (72 percent) say they would prefer to keep the state’s Medicaid program as it is today rather than change it to cover fewer people. One in five (20 percent) would prefer to scale back the program so that fewer people are covered. When it comes to the health insurance marketplace, about half (52 percent) want the new governor to keep Kynect, while roughly a quarter (26 percent) would prefer to switch to the federal marketplace and 18 percent aren’t sure. As in the nation as a whole, Kentuckians’ views on the ACA and its provisions divide sharply along party lines. However, when it comes to Medicaid, even 54 percent of Republicans and 43 percent of those who say they voted for Governor Bevin would prefer to keep Medicaid as it is today rather than scale it back to cover fewer people.
The survey also shows the general effectiveness of the re-brand, noting disapproval for policies known as “Obamacare” or the “Affordable Care Act” but approval for Kynect and the Medicaid expansion, two policies that are a part of the ACA.
The take home here is murky. Bevin is doing what he pledged to do when he was elected, which is to deny thousands of Kentuckians affordable health care that they are already receiving. But he has already dialed back some plans in the face of opposition, and instead proposed an approach that would likely put more financial risk on the covered low-income adults.

According to the New York Times:
Asked about the poll findings, Jessica Ditto, a spokeswoman for Mr. Bevin, said: “Obamacare is not working in Kentucky, and Governor Bevin is committed to finding a practical and efficient solution that will improve health outcomes. The administration will take deliberate and prudent steps to develop a health care plan that Kentucky can afford.”
This news is a good sign for ACA proponents in the South and solid evidence that regional marketing can overcome bad publicity about Obamacare and make the program palatable, even to staunch Republican voters. And it turns out that people generally like having affordable health care once they get it.
 

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Wow Dumb finch, you are more ignernt than I thought.
 

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Holy shit! I don’t fucking believe it.


While attending a town hall event in Iowa Tuesday, Democratic Party front-runner Hillary Clinton inadvertently slammed President Barack Obama’s signature piece of domestic legislation, the Affordable Care Act, as a full-time job killer.


At the event, a women stood up and asked, “I just want to know why there’s like discrimination against the part-time workers when so many companies are going to part-time when it comes to FMLA [Family and Medical Leave Act]?”


“Well, that’s why they’re going to part-time,” Clinton said. “That and also the Affordable Care Act.”


“You know, we’ve got to change that,” Clinton continued, “because we have built in some unfortunate incentives that discourage full-time employment.”


Oh yum!

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Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/17/h...to-create-full-time-jobs-video/#ixzz3ucDTLNEH
 

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