clearly I didn't write enough if you drew that conclusion from what i posted. I apologize. OF COURSE, obesity and sleep apnea have an association . I even wrote that LOSING WEIGHT can and WILL improve your AHI. It's a RISK FACTOR FOR OSA!!
what i attacked was this statement ;
Sleep Apnea not only obstructs sleep. It prevents weight loss,
it's not accurate. I provided a study that SHOWED this. The sample size was huge. If we correct the sleep apnea, will the individual lose weight ( hormonal balance leptin/ghrlein and decreased cortisol levels)? NO!!! IN FACT it led to WEIGHT GAIN!!!! lol
clearly, correcting sleep apnea is not necessarily a spring board to losing weight. OTHER FACTORS ARE INVOLVED
Now, please don't assume i'm rejecting an association of obesity and sleep. NOT AT ALL!!! In fact, there are people who exercise regularly, run a weekly net caloric deficit YET DO NOT LOSE WEIGHT-- other factors do play a role; lack of sleep (chronically elevated cortisol levels), gut infection, leaking gut syndrome.
http://www.aasmnet.org/
that's the website of the American Academy Of Sleep Medicine. You will not find a statement in there that says sleep apnea prevents weight loss.
here's their most recent statement on obesity and sleep apnea;
DARIEN, IL - The American Academy of Sleep Medicine (AASM) fully supports Tuesday’s announcement by the American Medical Association (AMA) that it has adopted a policy recognizing obesity as a disease requiring a range of medical interventions to advance treatment and prevention.
Obesity is a significant risk factor for sleep-related disorders, including obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) – which may result in further complications like hypertension, cardiovascular diseases and excessive daytime sleepiness. These complications may severely impact quality of life among sufferers and even lead to death.
Obese patients with symptoms of a sleep illness, such as loud and frequent snoring, should be evaluated by a board certified sleep medicine physician, who will oversee their diagnosis and prescribe the most appropriate treatment. In conjunction with obesity interventions, proper treatment of a sleep illness can dramatically improve overall health.
what i attacked was this statement ;
Sleep Apnea not only obstructs sleep. It prevents weight loss,
it's not accurate. I provided a study that SHOWED this. The sample size was huge. If we correct the sleep apnea, will the individual lose weight ( hormonal balance leptin/ghrlein and decreased cortisol levels)? NO!!! IN FACT it led to WEIGHT GAIN!!!! lol
clearly, correcting sleep apnea is not necessarily a spring board to losing weight. OTHER FACTORS ARE INVOLVED
Now, please don't assume i'm rejecting an association of obesity and sleep. NOT AT ALL!!! In fact, there are people who exercise regularly, run a weekly net caloric deficit YET DO NOT LOSE WEIGHT-- other factors do play a role; lack of sleep (chronically elevated cortisol levels), gut infection, leaking gut syndrome.
http://www.aasmnet.org/
that's the website of the American Academy Of Sleep Medicine. You will not find a statement in there that says sleep apnea prevents weight loss.
here's their most recent statement on obesity and sleep apnea;
DARIEN, IL - The American Academy of Sleep Medicine (AASM) fully supports Tuesday’s announcement by the American Medical Association (AMA) that it has adopted a policy recognizing obesity as a disease requiring a range of medical interventions to advance treatment and prevention.
Obesity is a significant risk factor for sleep-related disorders, including obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) – which may result in further complications like hypertension, cardiovascular diseases and excessive daytime sleepiness. These complications may severely impact quality of life among sufferers and even lead to death.
Obese patients with symptoms of a sleep illness, such as loud and frequent snoring, should be evaluated by a board certified sleep medicine physician, who will oversee their diagnosis and prescribe the most appropriate treatment. In conjunction with obesity interventions, proper treatment of a sleep illness can dramatically improve overall health.
WASHINGTON — Members of Congress from both parties, as well as some employers, insurers and state insurance commissioners, are calling for changes in the Affordable Care Act to prevent premium increases that are expected to affect workers at many small and midsize companies next year.
Lawmakers see the potential for a rare bipartisan agreement on the issue, after five years in which Republicans have repeatedly tried to repeal the law and Democrats have blocked their efforts.
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Congress originally ordered the change because Democrats believed that it would stabilize the insurance market for small employers by bringing in millions of new customers.
[h=1]Bipartisan Effort Fights Health Law Rule That Could Raise Premiums[/h]
Lawmakers see the potential for a rare bipartisan agreement on the issue, after five years in which Republicans have repeatedly tried to repeal the law and Democrats have blocked their efforts.
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Congress originally ordered the change because Democrats believed that it would stabilize the insurance market for small employers by bringing in millions of new customers.
[h=1]Bipartisan Effort Fights Health Law Rule That Could Raise Premiums[/h]
After months of delivering nothing but praise for ObamaCare, Clinton is expected to weigh in – and oppose – one of the law's most controversial taxes: the so-called “Cadillac” tax.If she joins her 2016 Democratic rivals in calling for the repeal of the tax on generous healthcare plans, she will distance herself from most ObamaCare supporters but also unlock key endorsements from unions that staunchly oppose it.
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Sanders, as well as former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, have both come out in opposition of the Cadillac tax, putting pressure on Clinton to do the same or risk losing big-dollar union support.
“This tax affects public and private employers of every size and industry and every part of the country,” said James Klein, president of the American Benefits Council, which represents large companies like Coca-Cola and Apple Inc. The tax has also been universally opposed by the country’s largest unions, who often have generous benefit packages.
Clinton hinted earlier this summer that she was weighing a repeal of the excise tax “as currently structured,” which would charge companies if their benefits exceeds $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family.
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Sanders, as well as former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, have both come out in opposition of the Cadillac tax, putting pressure on Clinton to do the same or risk losing big-dollar union support.
“This tax affects public and private employers of every size and industry and every part of the country,” said James Klein, president of the American Benefits Council, which represents large companies like Coca-Cola and Apple Inc. The tax has also been universally opposed by the country’s largest unions, who often have generous benefit packages.
Clinton hinted earlier this summer that she was weighing a repeal of the excise tax “as currently structured,” which would charge companies if their benefits exceeds $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family.
ENT just ordered catscan of the sinus. Already scheduled for Thursday and approved by Obama.
OK Ricboff I'm in for CPAP. Gotta at least give it a shot (grrrr...). ENT said (unprodded by me) "If you lose 20-30 pounds you may no longer have sleep apnea. But the problem I see is people with sleep apnea can't lose weight. Because they can't get proper rest!"
OK Ricboff I'm in for CPAP. Gotta at least give it a shot (grrrr...). ENT said (unprodded by me) "If you lose 20-30 pounds you may no longer have sleep apnea. But the problem I see is people with sleep apnea can't lose weight. Because they can't get proper rest!"
Total & epic beclowning thread
Nine out of 10 large companies are working to avoid Obamacare’s so-called Cadillac Tax on health insurance plans if lawmakers fail to reform the law, according to a new study.
The American Health Policy Institute, a non-partisan think tank, found that nearly every major employer in the country is taking steps to avoid the tax, which targets comprehensive health plans deemed to be luxurious by regulators. The law will hike taxes by $68 billion for American workers.
Nine out of 10 large companies are working to avoid Obamacare’s so-called Cadillac Tax on health insurance plans if lawmakers fail to reform the law, according to a new study.
The American Health Policy Institute, a non-partisan think tank, found that nearly every major employer in the country is taking steps to avoid the tax, which targets comprehensive health plans deemed to be luxurious by regulators. The law will hike taxes by $68 billion for American workers.
Oh the irony
You wouldn't know "irony" if it kicked you in the nuts, you pea brained prick. You're an idiot because you simply said you didn't understand the article, which was well written and to the point. You didn't offer a single, solitary "refutation" of anything said, because you didn't HAVE any, and, like I said, you're an idiot. :hammeritSlapping-silly90))Loser!@#0:nohead::tongue2::laughingb
With substantial premium increases coming in some states in 2016, administration officials are expecting that many consumers already in the Affordable Care Act’s networks will have to switch health plans and find new doctors as they scramble for cheaper alternatives. And millions more Americans could be receiving health insurance through health care marketplaces for the first time.
No wonder the moron who started this thread has a red bar next to his name.
No wonder the moron who started this thread has a red bar next to his name.
All-time epic beclowning thread
Small Tennessee school district closes, citing financial struggles, need for new income
Clay County Director of Schools Jerry Strong said the school board made the decision Thursday night after struggling with budget concerns for three years. He said the district doesn't have enough money to pay for partially unfunded government mandates.
"Clay County's inability to generate the revenue to offset the mandates is what's caused this to come to a head," he said. "The straw that broke the camel's back was really the Affordable Care Act for us and it has made it very difficult for us to have our employees properly covered and meet the mandates of the law. That was going to require new revenue and the commission felt like they couldn't do that through a tax increase."
Small Tennessee school district closes, citing financial struggles, need for new income
Clay County Director of Schools Jerry Strong said the school board made the decision Thursday night after struggling with budget concerns for three years. He said the district doesn't have enough money to pay for partially unfunded government mandates.
"Clay County's inability to generate the revenue to offset the mandates is what's caused this to come to a head," he said. "The straw that broke the camel's back was really the Affordable Care Act for us and it has made it very difficult for us to have our employees properly covered and meet the mandates of the law. That was going to require new revenue and the commission felt like they couldn't do that through a tax increase."
Feds Hide Secret List Of 11 Staggering Obamacare Insurers
Federal officials have a secret list of 11 Obamacare health insurance co-ops they fear are on the verge of failure, but they refuse to disclose them to the public or to Congress, a Daily Caller News Foundation investigation has learned.
Just in the last three weeks, five of the original 24 Obamacare co-ops announced plans to close, bringing the total of failures to nine barely two years after their launch with $2 billion in start-up capital from the taxpayers under the Affordable Care Act.
All 24 received 15-year loans in varying amounts to offer health insurance to poor and low income customers and provide publicly funded competition to private, for-profit insurers. Among the co-ops to announce closings were those in Iowa, Nebraska, Kentucky, West Virginia, Louisiana, Nevada, Tennessee, Vermont, New York and Colorado.
Nearly half a million failing co-op customers will have to find new coverage in 2016. More than $900 million of the original $2 billion in loans has been lost.
Taxpayer groups also expressed anger over the government secrecy.
“There is no excuse why taxpayers should not know the names of the people and groups who misspent and wasted tax dollars on publicly financed health insurance co-ops,” said David Williams, president of the Taxpayers Protection Alliance.
“When anybody receives tax dollars, they have a responsibility to spend those dollars wisely and be held accountable for the expenditures. Transparency is the first step. CMS has a responsibility to all Americans to publish this information,” Williams said.
Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, said “as Obamacare continues to fail, those failures point right back to CMS. They don’t want people to see that failure and think if they hide it somehow we won’t hear about it.”
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/19/feds-hide-secret-list-of-11-staggering-obamacare-insurers/
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Federal officials have a secret list of 11 Obamacare health insurance co-ops they fear are on the verge of failure, but they refuse to disclose them to the public or to Congress, a Daily Caller News Foundation investigation has learned.
Just in the last three weeks, five of the original 24 Obamacare co-ops announced plans to close, bringing the total of failures to nine barely two years after their launch with $2 billion in start-up capital from the taxpayers under the Affordable Care Act.
All 24 received 15-year loans in varying amounts to offer health insurance to poor and low income customers and provide publicly funded competition to private, for-profit insurers. Among the co-ops to announce closings were those in Iowa, Nebraska, Kentucky, West Virginia, Louisiana, Nevada, Tennessee, Vermont, New York and Colorado.
Nearly half a million failing co-op customers will have to find new coverage in 2016. More than $900 million of the original $2 billion in loans has been lost.
Taxpayer groups also expressed anger over the government secrecy.
“There is no excuse why taxpayers should not know the names of the people and groups who misspent and wasted tax dollars on publicly financed health insurance co-ops,” said David Williams, president of the Taxpayers Protection Alliance.
“When anybody receives tax dollars, they have a responsibility to spend those dollars wisely and be held accountable for the expenditures. Transparency is the first step. CMS has a responsibility to all Americans to publish this information,” Williams said.
Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, said “as Obamacare continues to fail, those failures point right back to CMS. They don’t want people to see that failure and think if they hide it somehow we won’t hear about it.”
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/19/feds-hide-secret-list-of-11-staggering-obamacare-insurers/
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The administration has set a goal of 10 million customers enrolled and paying their premiums by the end of 2016 on HealthCare.gov and state insurance markets. That's roughly the number covered now, and well below what congressional budget analysts had estimated for 2016. The administration expects most will be returning customers, but 3 million to 4 million will be people who are currently uninsured. There's a lot of turnover in the market.
Among the difficulties for next year: Premiums are expected to go up more than they did this year, even if taxpayer subsidies cushion the cost. The most eager customers have already signed up. And many of those remaining appear to be stretching tight household budgets, with other financial priorities, like car repairs or putting money in savings accounts.
The administration has set a goal of 10 million customers enrolled and paying their premiums by the end of 2016 on HealthCare.gov and state insurance markets. That's roughly the number covered now, and well below what congressional budget analysts had estimated for 2016. The administration expects most will be returning customers, but 3 million to 4 million will be people who are currently uninsured. There's a lot of turnover in the market.
Among the difficulties for next year: Premiums are expected to go up more than they did this year, even if taxpayer subsidies cushion the cost. The most eager customers have already signed up. And many of those remaining appear to be stretching tight household budgets, with other financial priorities, like car repairs or putting money in savings accounts.
