Michael Moore, why do the right fear him?

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What buttons is this guy pushing that gets so many of our righteous righties bristling?

Why is his material so popular with ordinary day to day people?

How can he find so much subject matter so easily?

It could be, that after years of the same americanised corporate propaganda on various subjects, a truly different perspective from ANY source comes as a breath of fresh air to ordinary people who know that what 'they' tell you, that daily non-stop bombardment of pre-programmed corporate information, is not the only way that you have to think about the world.

And its best if it comes from a fellow American who's figured it out, and then given it a bit of entertainment flavouring.

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His rabid detractors are no different from his rabid followers. I tried to interject an opinion about the man and that part of his work with which I am familiar and got chased out of the thread by the idiot Benassflick, who then said he had not even read the posts I made. No different from your insane Bushmaniacs who will stand behind him no matter what stupidty comes out of his mouth, or how many people are killed or otherwise adversely effected by his choices.

That Moore gets the kind of credibility he has is not a spot of hope for the American people; it's just one more reason to feel badly for the state of our country.


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Eek, what concerns me about Michael Moore is the attempt to portray the movie as one based on facts rather than opinion. It isn't fear...it is more disgust that the left knows he is full of shit but don't care because Moore's ultimate goal matches theirs.

Here is another example of fact manipulation:
Moore "said in a conference call that the film played strongly in both Democrat and Republican states, even drawing sell-out crowds in Republican strongholds like Nassau County, New York and Fayetteville, North Carolina, home of Fort Bragg"

It sounds impressive...until you realize that Moore's movie was shown once a night in a tiny art-house theatre in Fayetteville. Was he lying? Nope. Was he misrepresenting the facts? You bet.
 

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The success in New York was followed up nationwide over the weekend when Moore’s film opened in 868 theaters in the US and Canada. Despite playing in a relatively small number of theaters (and many of them smaller, art-house venues), Fahrenheit 9/11 outperformed all other films and was number one at the box office, grossing an estimated $21.8 million in three days. The number-two film, White Chicks, opened in 2,726 theaters.


Okay Shotgun here's our your big chance to discredit Moore in front of everyone. The floor is yours. Post the lies. Begin posting now>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Benassflick:

Okay Shotgun here's our your big chance to discredit Moore in front of everyone. The floor is yours. Post the lies. Begin posting now><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ben, Moore has already been discredited on here by Phaedrus, Patriot, and a few others. You might want to try reading some of their posts.
 

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One part of the film no one has challenged, Bush is a clueless moron. Medical scholars who normally would stay out of politics have come out against Bush because of his stance on stem cell research. They say his policy is, "anti-intellectual". Boy is that the understatement of the year.
 

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Cut and paste them here Shogun I'm not reading through Patriot or who evers crap. Paste what you got here.
 
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No one fears him. He is an ass clown. The idiots that take his lies as truth should be the ones that are afraid. They should be afraid that they are mindless idiots.
 

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The Political 'Fahrenheit' Sets Record at Box Office
By SHARON WAXMAN

OS ANGELES, June 27 — Michael Moore's anti-Bush "Fahrenheit 9/11" became the highest-grossing feature-length documentary of all time on its first weekend in release, taking in $21.8 million as it packed theaters across the country this weekend.

The movie, mocking President Bush and criticizing his decision to go to war in Iraq, was No. 1 at the box office, beating out the popular comedies "White Chicks" and "DodgeBall," which were playing on almost triple the number of screens.

Theater owners in large cities and smaller towns reported sellout crowds over the weekend, with numerous theaters declaring house records.

The phenomenal opening represented a decisive victory for Mr. Moore and for the Miramax movie executives Harvey and Bob Weinstein, who released the film independently after it was rejected by Miramax's corporate parent, the Walt Disney Company, as too political.

"We sold out in Fayetteville, home of Fort Bragg," in North Carolina, Mr. Moore said on Sunday. "We sold out in Army-base towns. We set house records in some of these places. We set single-day records in a number of theaters. We got standing ovations in Greensboro, N.C.

"The biggest news to me this morning is this is a red-state movie," he said, referring to the state whose residents voted for George W. Bush in the 2000 election. "Republican states are embracing the movie, and it's sold out in Republican strongholds all over the country."

Harvey Weinstein said: "It's beyond anybody's expectations. I'd have to say the sky's the limit on this movie. Who knows what territory we're in."

Mr. Moore's 2002 film, "Bowling for Columbine," had held the record for the highest-earning feature-length documentary until this weekend, taking in $21.6 million in its domestic run. Neither film set a record for all documentaries. "Everest," a 44-minute large-screen film released in 1998, has earned more than $80 million in the United States and more than $125 million worldwide.

Market research leading up to the weekend had shown that the documentary would rank second or third at the box office after the two mainstream comedies. But "White Chicks" took in $19.6 million for the weekend on 2,726 screens, while "DodgeBall" took in $18.5 million on 3,020. "Fahrenheit 9/11," rated R, was released on 868 screens.

Even rival studio executives recognized that documentary's opening as exceptional. "This picture came from nowhere," said Tom Sherak, a principal at Revolution Studios, which made "White Chicks." "It's what movie viewing has become. If you make it feel like it has urgency, people will have to go."

Attendance for "Fahrenheit 9/11" resembled nothing so much as the other surprise movie event of this year, the fervor ignited by Mel Gibson's movie about the Crucifixion, "The Passion of the Christ." That film has taken in $370 million domestically and sailed to blockbuster status on a wave of media controversy and debate.

Mr. Moore and Mr. Weinstein are masters at creating media hype, and "Fahrenheit 9/11" benefited from the controversy over its release when Disney declined to distribute it in late spring. The film went on to become a sensation at the Cannes International Film Festival, where it won the Palme d'Or in May, and was picked up for distribution by the independent distributors Lions Gate and IFC Films, who promised to release the film by the Fourth of July.

The movie depicts the Bush family's business ties to Saudi Arabia and portrays the president as over his head and out of touch; Mr. Moore goes to Flint, Mich., his hometown, to interview a devastated mother who has lost her son in Iraq and questions what he died for.

Mr. Weinstein predicted that "Fahrenheit 9/11" would certainly take in $50 million, and possibly $100 million. He said he expected the film to expand to twice as many theaters next week, and ultimately to be on as many as 2,000 screens, a scale that would redefine the traditional reach of documentary films.

Beyond making box-office history, the movie may be seen by some as a bellwether of political support for the president and the war. The film's weekend success was fodder for the Sunday morning political talk shows, as pundits wondered what the political influence of the film might be, if any, on President Bush's re-election campaign.

Mr. Moore said that the film was a wake-up call to the pundits too. "I can't tell you how many times in the last week I've watched commentators say, `But people who like Bush are going to stay home.' They broke it down that way," he said. "It was far too simplistic."

Mr. Moore said that he first got an inkling that his movie would be more than just an average release when he learned that it had broken the house records on Wednesday at the two Manhattan theaters where it opened.

Then on Friday night he said he went to watch the movie at Lincoln Plaza Cinemas, and in the middle of the screening was recognized by audience members. "Suddenly everyone was turning around, and starting to applaud during the movie," Mr. Moore said. "I was going, `Sit down, watch the movie.' I had to get out of there."

He added: "Clearly something has happened here that no one expected. And there aren't words to describe how any of us feel this morning on hearing this news."
 

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The right reminds me of that stupid chicken on the Loney Toon cartoon ...

the strut around pretending they're a bunch of badasses, but really there nothing more than scared little chicklets running from their own shadow
 

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Just a little tidbit of information for all those thinking that this film is some huge success. More people listen to Rush Limbaugh in a 15 minute time period on his daily radio show than saw Moores fakeamentary opening weekend. That hurts..doesn't it?

In an upcoming jontpleasures documentary, I'll be showing Bubba Clinton using Monica Lewinski's twat as an ashtray! Stay tuned.
 

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Mr NJ Sports I will invite you as well to post the lies in Moores film. Come on here's you chance to discredit him in front of everyone. The floor is yours. Begin posting NOW. Why is it evryone who says the film is nothing but lies all unable to come forward and produce a single on???????
 

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jointpleasures this is how ridiculios you,ve become. Why don't you compare it to another movie instead of a radio show. That's like saying more people eat fries in a 15 minute period than listen to limbaugh making fries 1000 times more popular than Rush.
 

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If I may say so, I don't think the Fahrenheit hype coming from the left is as much an endorsement of Moore as it is an indictment of Bush. People are going to see this film because they don't like Bush .. because they want to laugh at his expense and solidify their views of him. Nobody's minds are going to be changed with this film -- there was simply nothing original in it. But the point is, for every ticket Moore sells at the box office is (generally) one more person who is voting for Kerry. And I think that is the point the Republicans are realising.
 

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xpanda, Incredibly ignorant of you to say people's minds will not change after seeing this movie. After seeing Fahrenheit 9/11 people that had not planned on voting have said they will now vote. Voters who are on the fence after seeing this movie will surely be impacted. The question is will Fahrenheit 9/11 make the difference in a close race? I say yes.
 

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