McCain refuses to back Palin in a possible presidential bid

[fletchisrhsm]

Having a consistent opinion is one thing, but bombing
buildings with people in them is another. Too bad apparently
you can't tell the difference.

Great point if it was true. hno:

I thought he bombed empty buildings but then again i couldnt give a fuck about Obama or his supporters/connections. So, maybe you know something i dont, so if you do please share and let the ideas and opinions evolve, if not... its just par for the partisan hack course.

 

[festeringZit]

In 1970, Ayers' then-girlfriend Diana Oughton, along with Weatherman members Terry Robbins and Ted Gold, were killed when a bomb they were constructing exploded unexpectedly. That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, "tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too."

After the death of his girlfriend, Ayers and his current wife, Bernardine Dohrn, spent the 1970s as fugitives running from the FBI.

Comments?

hno:

 

[festeringZit]

Bill Ayers: Unrepentant LYING Terrorist [Andy McCarthy]

In that Fox interview that Rich linked to, Ayers preposterously claimed that he and his fellow Weather Underground terrorists did not really intend to harm any people — the fact that no one was killed in their 20 or so bombings was, he said, "by design"; they only wanted to cause property damage:

Between October 1969 and September 1973, the Weather Underground claimed credit for some twenty bombings across the country, in which no one was harmed — save the three cell members who perished in a Greenwich Village townhouse in March 1970, when one of their creations detonated prematurely. Ayers claimed the fact that no other individuals were killed as a result of the Weathermen’s actions was “by design.” In his autobiography, Fugitive Days: A Memoir, Ayers recalled, he posed the question: “How far are you willing to take that step into what I consider the abyss of violence? And we really never did, except for that moment in the townhouse.… I actually think destroying property in the face of that kind of catastrophe is so — restrained. And I don’t see it as a big deal.
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Right.
First of all, "that moment in the townhouse" he's talking about happened in 1970. Three of his confederates, including his then girlfriend Diana Oughton, were accidentally killed when the explosive they were building to Ayers specifications (Ayers was a bomb designer) went off during construction. As noted in Ayers' Discover the Networks profile, the explosive had been a nail bomb. Back when Ayers was being more honest about his intentions, he admitted that the purpose of that bomb had been to murder United States soldiers:

That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, "tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too."
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In fact, Ayers was a founder of the Weatherman terror group and he defined its purpose as carrying out murder. Again, from Discover the Networks:

Characterizing Weatherman as "an American Red Army," Ayers summed up the organization's ideology as follows: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents."
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Now he wants you to think they just wanted to break a few dishes. But in his book Fugitive Days, in which he boasts that he "participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972," he says of the day that he bombed the Pentagon: "Everything was absolutely ideal. ... The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them."
And he wasn't singular. As I noted back in April in this article about Obama's motley collection of radical friends, at the Weatherman “War Council” meeting in 1969, Ayers' fellow terrorist and now-wife, Bernadine Dohrn, famously gushed over the barbaric Manson Family murders of the pregnant actress Sharon Tate, coffee heiress Abigail Folger, and three others: “Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach! Wild!” And as Jonah recalled yesterday, "In appreciation, her Weather Underground cell made a threefingered 'fork' gesture its official salute." They weren't talking about scratching up the wall-paper.
A Weatherman affiliate group which called itself "the Family" colluded with the Black Liberation Army in the 1981 Brinks robbery in which two police officers and an armed guard were murdered. (Obama would like people to believe all this terrorist activity ended in 1969 when he was eight years old. In fact, it continued well into the eighties.) Afterwards, like Ayers and Dohrn, their friend and fellow terrorist Susan Rosenberg became a fugitive.
On November 29, 1984, Rosenberg and a co-conspirator, Timothy Blunk, were finally apprehended in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. At the time, they were actively planning an unspeakable bombing campaign that would have put at risk the lives of countless innocent people. They also possessed twelve assorted guns (including an Uzi 9 mm. semi-automatic rifle and an Ithaca twelve-gauge shotgun with its barrel sawed off), nearly 200 sticks of dynamite, more than 100 sticks of DuPont Trovex (a high explosive), a wide array of blasting agents and caps, batteries, and switches for explosive devices. Arrayed in disguises and offering multiple false identities to arresting officers, the pair also maintained hundreds of false identification documents, including FBI and DEA badges. When she was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment in 1985, the only remorse Rosenberg expressed was over the fact that she and Blunk had allowed themselves to be captured rather than fighting it out with the police. Bernadine Dohrn was jailed for contempt when she refused to testify against Rosenberg. Not to worry, though. On his last day in office, the last Democrat president, Bill Clinton, pardoned Rosenberg — commuting her 58-year sentence to time-served.
These savages wanted to kill massively. That they killed only a few people owes to our luck and their incompetence, not design. They and the Democrat politicians who now befriend and serve them can rationalize that all they want. But those are the facts.

 

[festeringZit]

And Barman says he's a pretty cool guy.

Reminds me of GTC08 fawning over the terrorist Che.

Except, Barman should know better.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

In 1970, Ayers' then-girlfriend Diana Oughton, along with Weatherman members Terry Robbins and Ted Gold, were killed when a bomb they were constructing exploded unexpectedly. That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, "tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too."

After the death of his girlfriend, Ayers and his current wife, Bernardine Dohrn, spent the 1970s as fugitives running from the FBI.

Comments?

hno:

Yhea,

"Intend" in one hand and shit in the other. Now look at your hands, what do you have? Other then a steaming pile of shit...nothing. I know you like to deal with the abstract and the illogical, but the reality is this isnt...reality. If he planned on doing so much damage and so much carnage, why wasnt he charged for attempted murder of hundreds of GI's?

:think2:

And a nail bomb wouldnt have killed hundreds of people anyway.

 

[festeringZit]

Yhea,

"Intend" in one hand and shit in the other. Now look at your hands, what do you have? Other then a steaming pile of shit...nothing. I know you like to deal with the abstract and the illogical, but the reality is this isnt...reality. If he planned on doing so much damage and so much carnage, why wasnt he charged for attempted murder of hundreds of GI's?

:think2:

And a nail bomb wouldnt have killed hundreds of people anyway.

My God Fletch, what point are you trying to make, that he's a cool guy?

Man, I give up with some of you idiots.

 

[Willie99]

How many died in his bombings?

Dubya has killed and maimed tens of thousands and you guys like him.

You can tell something about the character of a person, a people and in this case, a political party, by the company they keep.

Lefties support terrorists like Ayers, make Saddam some sort of fucking victim, hang with and admire Hugo Chavez and invite Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak in this country and applaud him for blasting the great Satan.

They defend the worst of the worst locked up at Gitmo, and lie about their treatment. They act like somebody really gives two shits about what they're doing as the nation tries to protect their lives by listening to terrorists.

They actually elect people like Alcee Hastings, Ted Kennedy &, KKK Byrd after they've been impeached for taking bribes, commit vehicular homicide and use influenece to get away with it and start KKK chapters in their home states. They let their US Representative call them rednecks and racists for their own boy's political gain.

They cover their eyes & ears as they comically paint Republicans as the source of evil, and they get their grass spoon fed to them as the enabling politically motivated media tells them how right they are.

Amazing, truely amazing


They think Bush is responsible for evil in the world, as they worship FDR, Truman, JFK & LBJ. Do you really want to do a fucking body count now?

Thankfully for them, conservatives still have the courage and the desire to protect their asses, to create jobs and to support a welfare system which allows their difference making base to even survive day to day.

hno:

 

[punter]

Does all that typing change the fact that Dubya is a war criminal by any system of measurement. He is the only free world leader to ever condone torture in modern times.

Now you can chase Ted Kennedy's driving record all you want but it doesn't change this evil, inept administration.

 

[Willie99]

Bush will not be convicted of any crimes you speak off, let me know if you want action. He won't even stand trial (a serious one anyways, can't speak for some backwoods jackoff that means nothing but fake news coverage)

Time will tell how Bush is regarded with respect to Iraq. God willing, we'll both be here in 10 to 20 years to discuss the truth.

 

[RobFunk]

I doubt it. We will probably get hit with a huge asteroid

 

[Willie99]

I doubt it. We will probably get hit with a huge asteroid

Hopefully, we can blame it on Bush too. That way, it won't happen again.

 

[Mistermj]

Does all that typing change the fact that Dubya is a war criminal by any system of measurement. He is the only free world leader to ever condone torture in modern times.

Now you can chase Ted Kennedy's driving record all you want but it doesn't change this evil, inept administration.

We all know Powell is a lefty hero now...

Powell said, "I'm not aware of anything that we discussed in any of those meetings that was not considered legal."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/Story?id=4635175&page=2

Put it in your pipe and smoke it up Punter. :toast: :lol:

 

[punter]

Just explain to me how you bomb and invade a sovereign nation and the reason you gave turns out to be a concoction and it is not a crime?

Powell was gone before the torture started.

 

[barman]

Yhea,

"Intend" in one hand and shit in the other. Now look at your hands, what do you have? Other then a steaming pile of shit...nothing. I know you like to deal with the abstract and the illogical, but the reality is this isnt...reality. If he planned on doing so much damage and so much carnage, why wasnt he charged for attempted murder of hundreds of GI's?

:think2:

And a nail bomb wouldnt have killed hundreds of people anyway.

Correctly noted that not only was no one (other than three fellow perps) was killed by any of the bombs connected to Ayers, but Ayers was not charged with attempted murder (nor convicted, obviously).

I'm thankful that at least so far in my own adult lifetime I've never been presented with a government that was forcibly coercing my neighors into overseas mercenary service. Were it to occur, I'd most certainly hope I would have the courage to participate in very forceful protests.

The reader at large is invited to consider if there is anything he might believe important enough that he would support the bombing of buildings and maybe even civilians as a means to achieve (to them) a worthy end.

Clearly, anyone who actively supports the actions of the BushCo military in Iraq has given at least a defacto endorsement of such tactics out of a belief that such actions are justified by the end result (removal of Saddam Hussein, increased American presence in Iraq etc).

Thus we can see that if the cause is sufficiently important, most folks are not much different at the end of the day than William Ayers.

 

[barman]

I doubt it. We will probably get hit with a huge asteroid

Posts like these are an example of why I strive to grow up to be more like FUNK.

 

[barman]

WILLIE, your passionate diatribe against "lefties" falls a bit flat as soon as one considers that slotting all the various causes you list as being agreeable to every "lefty" is an incredible stretch.

To wit:

"They think Bush is responsible for evil in the world, as they worship FDR, Truman, JFK & LBJ."

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I am pretty "left", but don't consider Bush "responsible for evil in the world".

He's certainly culpable in increasing immoral and evil actions by his very deliberate use of lethal violence against people who have never harmed the USA, nor have any intent on harming the USA.

But I don't have much time to "do a body count" in comparison to other world figures who themselves are culpable and even directly responsible for immoral and evil actions.

Once the body count hits, oh, maybe 100+, I pretty much view them all with equal disdain.

And fwiw, I personally don't "worship" any of the names you list. I could make a reasonable case both applauding and also criticizing aspects of all their lives.

Just like I (or you) could do with most anyone.

Luckily, neither Willaim Ayers or GW Bush is likely to have much of an influence on the actions of Washington DC in the coming eight years, so I think both of us can be thankful.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

My God Fletch, what point are you trying to make, that he's a cool guy?

Man, I give up with some of you idiots.

Nope. I think this guy is a whiney bitch, who couldnt hack it in the real world....thus he is a teacher.

:nohead:

My point is just that. I just want to make a point. My point is that i was right. I like being right. Fuck this guy. And for the record, being "cool" isnt something i bestow anyway. Ayers aint cool.... hes fucking chili. :finger: