Hopelessly ignorant, now that's something Doc knows all too well
:lol:
Actually, I might have to take that back. You have to have some intelligence to truly understand anything, even hopeless ignorance.
My bad
hno:
The stuff Doc was posted was right on topic. The original point was about Obama saying that Republicans will try to scare people about his race and name and so forth. Doc pointed out that Obama was right in that this has been happening already. Doc was right and Obama was right. Obama was right to get out in front of this so that when they try to scare Americans about his race he can say I told you so and don't listen to that garbage.
Great article. I agree 100% but the problem is that the only other choice is McInsane who will surely put us into Iran and keep us in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Tough choice for anyone that is not a complete diehard democrat or republican.
We need someone to lead us out of these wars and stem off this recession and I don't think either of these guys is the answer and no I don't think Billary was either. She might have been worse than either of these two.
Basically, we are screwed for the next 4-8 years.
Tator:
I will pass the vaseline to ya ...
that nice little NAU pact Bush signed in March of 2005 in Waco should
add some "gasoline to the fired" as Mr Paul bitched about this early on
and folks laughed at him ... they sure aint anymore as Perry signed over
all the Toll Roads to a Spanish company on a 50 yr contract and interesting
debates on the upcoming land grabs starting down in the Valley
We are really fucked worse than anyone can imagine ... the rape job in
Iraq is wonderful to watch with Bush's buddies lined up to pad their
pocketbooks and fleece Americans at the pumps
I swear if Ventura ran with Paul right now I would vote for that in a
heartbeat ... call Ventura a nut but DAMN RIGHT ... WE MARCHED THE
TROOPS IN AND WE CAN DAMN WELL MARCH THEM OUT
I will pass the vaseline to ya ...
that nice little NAU pact Bush signed in March of 2005 in Waco should
add some "gasoline to the fired" as Mr Paul bitched about this early on
and folks laughed at him ... they sure aint anymore as Perry signed over
all the Toll Roads to a Spanish company on a 50 yr contract and interesting
debates on the upcoming land grabs starting down in the Valley
We are really fucked worse than anyone can imagine ... the rape job in
Iraq is wonderful to watch with Bush's buddies lined up to pad their
pocketbooks and fleece Americans at the pumps
I swear if Ventura ran with Paul right now I would vote for that in a
heartbeat ... call Ventura a nut but DAMN RIGHT ... WE MARCHED THE
TROOPS IN AND WE CAN DAMN WELL MARCH THEM OUT
Oh, I see.
When we talk about the candidate and the candidate's own words, it's ok to reciprocate with what some talking head may have said.
Of course, I don't have the time to play such shallow games, I just try to stay with the two guys running for office, but that's just me.
BO, be a man and not a victim!!!!!!!
hno:The author of the Letter is braindead:
[FONT=times new roman,times]"It is not about skin tone"
BULLSHIT ... ITS BEEN ABOUT BARACK BEING BLACK SINCE THE DAY HE ENTERED FROM THE REPUBLICANS
The Right cant mention Obama without mentioning "Radical" .. "Black" ..."Muslim" .... etc
This race clearly makes one realize that the R next to a Candidate this fall clearly stands for RACISM
[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"It is not about skin tone"
BULLSHIT ... ITS BEEN ABOUT BARACK BEING BLACK SINCE THE DAY HE ENTERED FROM THE REPUBLICANS
The Right cant mention Obama without mentioning "Radical" .. "Black" ..."Muslim" .... etc
This race clearly makes one realize that the R next to a Candidate this fall clearly stands for RACISM
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Oh, I see.
When we talk about the candidate and the candidate's own words, it's ok to reciprocate with what some talking head may have said.
Of course, I don't have the time to play such shallow games, I just try to stay with the two guys running for office, but that's just me.
BO, be a man and not a victim!!!!!!!
Barack said that "they" will try to scare about race. The 'they' clearly refers to more than just McCain personally, but also to his supporters, republicans, right-wing hacks, etc.
Obama should be limited to commenting only about what McCain himself might say. If he's attacked by someone else, he can't respond? Puhlease.
Rove is running McCain's campaign ....
Rove is despearate as the 'ARCHITECT" got his ass handed to him in the
Mid Terms and those following Local races are clearly seeing that the
Nation has had enough
Rove did smear campaigns against Richards, McCain, Cleland and Kerry
that were passed on from Nixon hitman Atwater ...
Problem is this time Obama and his camp aint taking shit off anyone and
they have F16s circling constantly with bombs being dropped the moment
this bullshit goes on the Smear Angle
Again .. this clown says basically Obama is making Race an Issue when
the Cross Burning Section at FOX NEWs daily does Smear Attacks on a
guy who is showing Presidentail Dignity in responding in a calm and clear
manner
Rove is despearate as the 'ARCHITECT" got his ass handed to him in the
Mid Terms and those following Local races are clearly seeing that the
Nation has had enough
Rove did smear campaigns against Richards, McCain, Cleland and Kerry
that were passed on from Nixon hitman Atwater ...
Problem is this time Obama and his camp aint taking shit off anyone and
they have F16s circling constantly with bombs being dropped the moment
this bullshit goes on the Smear Angle
Again .. this clown says basically Obama is making Race an Issue when
the Cross Burning Section at FOX NEWs daily does Smear Attacks on a
guy who is showing Presidentail Dignity in responding in a calm and clear
manner
Lt Col West war criminal.
When West arrived, West held a gun to Hamoodi's head and threatened to kill Hamoodi unless Hamoodi divulged names of would-be conspirators.[1][2] West discharged his weapon near Hamoodi's head. Thereafter, according to Hamoodi offered what he would later call meaningless information, induced by fear and pain.[3][4]
West, who at the time was just short of having 20 years of service, was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and was in danger of receiving an 11 year prison sentence, dishonorable discharge and losing his retirement benefits.
After West's forced resignation was brought to public attention the next Fall, he received over two thousand letters and e-mails from the American public offering him moral support and a letter was drafted to the secretary of the Army, its signatories ninety-five members of Congress, in West's support. A prominent critic of the Abu Graib affair, Sen. John W. Warner of Virginia, wrote a letter to his constituents in support of West's honorable intentions during the controversial incident. In January of 2004, anti-Jihadist Frontpage Magazine named West its Man of the Year.[5]
West was processed through an Article 32 hearing in November 2003, but was never Court-martialed. Instead in a deal with the prosecution, he admitted wrongdoing, was fined $5,000 over two months for misconduct and assault. He then submitted his resignation, and was allowed to retire with full benefits in the summer of 2004.
When West arrived, West held a gun to Hamoodi's head and threatened to kill Hamoodi unless Hamoodi divulged names of would-be conspirators.[1][2] West discharged his weapon near Hamoodi's head. Thereafter, according to Hamoodi offered what he would later call meaningless information, induced by fear and pain.[3][4]
West, who at the time was just short of having 20 years of service, was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and was in danger of receiving an 11 year prison sentence, dishonorable discharge and losing his retirement benefits.
After West's forced resignation was brought to public attention the next Fall, he received over two thousand letters and e-mails from the American public offering him moral support and a letter was drafted to the secretary of the Army, its signatories ninety-five members of Congress, in West's support. A prominent critic of the Abu Graib affair, Sen. John W. Warner of Virginia, wrote a letter to his constituents in support of West's honorable intentions during the controversial incident. In January of 2004, anti-Jihadist Frontpage Magazine named West its Man of the Year.[5]
West was processed through an Article 32 hearing in November 2003, but was never Court-martialed. Instead in a deal with the prosecution, he admitted wrongdoing, was fined $5,000 over two months for misconduct and assault. He then submitted his resignation, and was allowed to retire with full benefits in the summer of 2004.
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An officer in Iraq who used shock interrogation tactics to thwart an impending attack on American soldiers was punished with forfeiture of two month's pay, according to his lawyer.
Previously faced with the possibility of a court martial, Lt. Col. Allen B. West accepted Article 15 non-judicial punishment from the commanding general of the 4th Infantry Division at a hearing today in Tikrit, Iraq, said Neal A. Puckett, a retired Marine officer.
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Lt. Col. Allen B. West in undated family photo (Courtesy Angela West)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Puckett said the loss of pay amounts to $5,000.
"I'm pleased that it's over with," West told WorldNetDaily by telephone from San Antonio, Texas. "But I thought that taking $5,000 away from a guy who is about to retire was a little bit unnecessary.
"I didn't think that needed to be part of a sentence in order to send whatever message the commanding general thought he needed to send," he continued.
"Simply a letter of reprimand should have done it," Puckett insisted.
West will return to Ft. Hood, Texas, as soon as transportation can be arranged and will be assigned to the Rear Detachment of the 4th Infantry Division as he awaits the processing of his retirement request.
The punishment does not affect his eligibility for retirement and pension, Puckett said.
West's commanding officer, Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno, had authority to accept or reject the recommendation of administrative punishment from the officer who presided over West's preliminary hearing in Tikrit last month, Lt. Col. Jimmy Davis.
At his preliminary hearing, West acknowledged he allowed two soldiers to beat an Iraqi policeman who refused to reveal details of an ambush plot and fired his pistol near the man's head, threatening to kill him.
As WorldNetDaily reported, under threat of an attack, West took charge of the interrogation of an Iraqi policeman, Yahya Jhodri Hamoody, determined to flush out details as he warned subordinates "it could get ugly." Threatening to kill the Iraqi if he didn't talk, West fired a pistol near the policeman's head.
The scared policeman then immediately disclosed the information, leading to the arrest of two Iraqis last August and cessation of attacks on West's 4th Infantry Division battalion.
At the hearing last month, West was asked by his defense attorney if he would do it again.
"If it's about the lives of my men and their safety, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can," he said.
"But that's what's going on out there in the streets here, and that's how I feel about my boys," he told the hearing, held in one of Saddam Hussein's lavish palaces. "There is not a person in this room I would not sacrifice my life for."
But Army prosecutors believe his actions in the town of Saba al Boor, near Tikrit, violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He was charged with aggravated assault and faced a wide range of possible outcomes from no disciplinary action to a sentence of up to eight years in prison.
The prosecutors gave West a choice – face charges or resign within days of his 20 years of service, losing retirement benefits. West chose to face the charges and place his fate in the hands of Maj. Gen. Odierno. Puckett said West can be contacted by e-mail and his wife has her own e-mail address.
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">My advice to Senator Obama is to run as a Man and Leader, and the American people will evaluate you as such, not as a victim.
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This statement will echo throughout this forum through November
