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I am through with pissing contests. I am not interested in your opinion or BS's, only from others on this subject. I am only interested from hearing from the guys that are not in your secret society to see if they keep track of a W/L ATS. Is there any part of that you do not understand ?
 

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If you pick up a copy of Steele's Preseason Magazine I would suggest reading his NCAA Experience Chart (new and improved) on page 311, and his Lettermen returning/lost system on page 319 as they are directly related.

Russ, Why is it that you think these things are unknown to people? I have posted this information every year as soon as it appears on the web. This is yet another example of you wasting your time and everyone else's time posting things and lecturing people about things that everyone already understands. You do it because you know nothing of how things are done here, nor the people.

I have a good idea. Why don't you go out and find something resembling a wheel and reinvent it so you can claim "your" brilliance?

Wouldn't scanning and posting it have been enough? No. To you it's educating us poor ignorant fools that have never heard of a wheel before you got here. Gee what a concept -- gauging a team this year compared to last year. Why didn't anyone think of that before you arrived?

It shows that you have no clue who you are dealing with, just like people that know nothing about you however they can clearly see your ignorance and your arrogance and how little you understand everyone else that's been here for years. If you have something to offer, just post it without the long-winded lessons and aimless meandering. That's all that's needed. Beyond that, it's you patronizing the rest of the world.
 

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The wheel has been reinvented many times but the only wheel I am interested in is the Wheel of Fortune. Just don't read my thread, plain and simple.
 

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I am through with pissing contests. I am not interested in your opinion or BS's, only from others on this subject. I am only interested from hearing from the guys that are not in your secret society to see if they keep track of a W/L ATS. Is there any part of that you do not understand ?

Maybe you are right. Why bother pointing out the obvious to someone that refuses to see it and thinks they are knowledgeable and superior in every way. I thought your apology was meaningful, but the first thing you do afterward is deny the importance of a players record vs the line, something as simple as that. Once again you turned me off with your thickheaded ignorant inability to learn something that would be extremely useful to you here. I was as patient and as nice about it as I could be and post after post you shit on my words and my experience. You outright refuse to "get it" because you think you already know everything and you are better than everyone. You insist that you are right when you are not right and your ego can't accept any of it.
 

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I told you I am through with pissing matches. Like I said just don't read my postings and you shouldn't have any problems.
 

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I told you I am through with pissing matches. Like I said just don't read my postings and you shouldn't have any problems.

I will be reading your threads where you pick sides, totals and halftime bets. I am looking forward to seeing your proof in the pudding if there is any to be seen especially where you excel far beyond the 60% winning rate as you have claimed you do. Maybe if you are real lucky, you will be given your own forum like Randizzle was given last season. It's doable, now prove it. Show everyone that you have the guts to stick your neck out. That kind of courage matters.

PS... just like almost everyone else here, I wager on my own picks. I won't C&P my wagers because what I wager is no one's business, though I've mentioned my wager amounts several times... always in advance too. Picks posted in advance are acceptable. What people wager on them is their own business.
 

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I will be reading your threads where you pick sides, totals and halftime bets. I am looking forward to seeing your proof in the pudding if there is any to be seen especially where you excel far beyond the 60% winning rate as you have claimed you do. Maybe if you are real lucky, you will be given your own forum like Randizzle was given last season. It's doable, now prove it. Show everyone that you have the guts to stick your neck out. That kind of courage matters.

PS... just like almost everyone else here, I wager on my own picks. I won't C&P my wagers because what I wager is no one's business, though I've mentioned my wager amounts several times... always in advance too. Picks posted in advance are acceptable. What people wager on them is their own business.

I know you put your money where your mouth is, no problem there. And I agree that what people wager is their own business. As far as Randizzle goes if you read his final posts he realized he won a lot of people money and that pleased him. I guess he is a med student with limited funds and he acknowledged that he knew people wagered more than he could afford to wager and he did not begrudge them. But in the end it became a burden as well as a source of pride. My main concern is how many people offered to reimburse him one way or another, or pay him back a percentage, or offer to do something for him one way or another. I mention that only because of his circumstances and the fact that many people benefited monetarily more than he did with his means. I was not around for all of that but unlike BS I researched him when he acknowledged my thread, got a feel for his accomplishments, and then I respectfully thanked him for his compliment.
I am also reminded of a friend of mine who got on a downer around bowl time one year. He was calling long distance and we were putting his bets in for him. We finally got to the point where we either didn't bet a game or just went against him for all the obvious reasons. I also saw an ad one time by a guy was was advertising a tout service. He said all you have to do is go against me, I can't pick shit. Probably the most honest and realistic approach I have ever seen.
I guess I will post my picks this year, but not in a secret place. I will just put them on here for the whole world to see, not just a chosen few. I prefer the Randizzle way although I make no claims to be able to have that kind of success. Who has?
In the mean time the spread sheets I posted are for anyone to use. I am already upgrading them. I will repost them when I have a final format.
They may help some people and not others but for people who don't have the time that I do now, it is at least a place to start.
 

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I know you put your money where your mouth is, no problem there. And I agree that what people wager is their own business. As far as Randizzle goes if you read his final posts he realized he won a lot of people money and that pleased him. I guess he is a med student with limited funds and he acknowledged that he knew people wagered more than he could afford to wager and he did not begrudge them. But in the end it became a burden as well as a source of pride. My main concern is how many people offered to reimburse him one way or another, or pay him back a percentage, or offer to do something for him one way or another. I mention that only because of his circumstances and the fact that many people benefited monetarily more than he did with his means. I was not around for all of that but unlike BS I researched him when he acknowledged my thread, got a feel for his accomplishments, and then I respectfully thanked him for his compliment.
I am also reminded of a friend of mine who got on a downer around bowl time one year. He was calling long distance and we were putting his bets in for him. We finally got to the point where we either didn't bet a game or just went against him for all the obvious reasons. I also saw an ad one time by a guy was was advertising a tout service. He said all you have to do is go against me, I can't pick shit. Probably the most honest and realistic approach I have ever seen.
I guess I will post my picks this year, but not in a secret place. I will just put them on here for the whole world to see, not just a chosen few. I prefer the Randizzle way although I make no claims to be able to have that kind of success. Who has?
In the mean time the spread sheets I posted are for anyone to use. I am already upgrading them. I will repost them when I have a final format.
They may help some people and not others but for people who don't have the time that I do now, it is at least a place to start.

Ahhhh, at long last a hint of cooperation. Thank you for realizing that accountability is extremely important on an anonymous website like this one is. I will hold you to it.

But as far as the rest goes, consider editing yourself a bit. Those (typcially) huge paragraphs with no breaks and long winded posts make things very difficult to read. Keep it short and to the point. Give others more credit for knowing what to do with your information. Tell less stories and provide facts that connect from one to the next in logical sequence and it will benefit both you and the people that try to read what you write. Keep explanations to a bare minimum. And try not to preach. It's a turnoff to experienced players. The short version is sufficient and preferred.

Lastly, try to see the wisdom in how things have evolved here. You are missing a lot if you are too critical of the things that you do not understand, and your opinions in turn will be rejected as you reject others. Give people a little more credit for knowing what they are doing. Perhaps you can choose to post some things with more relevance than what you deem them to have now. At least give these things some thought. Maybe you will turn out OK. I can't say. My judgments are pretty accurate but it's up to you to prove who you are, like it or not because that's the way it is everywhere.

One way or another you will be humbled. Now please spare me your life's story about how you are already a humbled person. I am conditioned to your usual replies but this one came as a surprise, at least part of it did.
 

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Experience factor

I went completely through the NCAA experience chart that Steele has in his new mag. I made a listing that may prove interesting and is not something you might pick up on unless you really scrutinzed his entire list which is in small print and a colored background and hard to read.
The highest rating he gives any team in terms of Total Experience Rating is Minnesota at 82.2. But the compilation I put together here has to do with the other end of the list. Here is a list of the only teams to rate at less than 50% (he lists them by conference). Listed beside them is their week 1 opponent and their rating)
Maryland - 47.9 (California - 64.4)
Northwestern - 48 (Towson)
Nebraska - 49.3 (FAU - 55.7)
Missouri - 39.6 (Illinois 62.7)
West Virginia - 49.7 (Liberty)
Rice - 43.6 (UAB - 81.1)
Army - 49.8 (E. Michigan - (74)
Navy - 46.2 (Ohio State - 56.4)
Ball St - 42.5 (North Texas - (64.9)
South Carolina - 45 (N.C. State - 61)
New Mexico St - 47 ( Idaho - (58.1)

The following teams were rated last in their conference but were rated over 50:
New Mexico - 52 (new coach) - (Texas A & M - (62.8)
Oregon - 51.5 (Boise St - 59.6)

Now if inexperience is a detriment this might be good stuff to know for the first week of competition, keeping in mind other factors like strengths and weakness of each team. Defintely something to keep in mind.
 

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Better. :103631605

In context perhaps useful, but of course you wouldn't expect this kind of thing to stand on it's own.




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Sorry about that. But you yourself are a work in progress. Your last post was encouraging. Much simpler and a little more to the point, less sermonlike but that needs a little more work. A slight explanation is more attractive than a lesson. That was sort of a 50-50 thing, better. And by the way, a good way to aviod the sermon is to tell it from a first person point of view. "I will be using this information to...." etc. That helps define yourself to others without bragging or sounding too presumptive.

Thanks.
 

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SEC Coaches - at least one has class

With all the ballyhoo about recruiting violations and all the headlines about disgruntled coaches in the SEC it seems that emotions have run high, integrity has run low, and class has become secondary to finger pointing and who can be the most sanctimonious. Well here is a breath of fresh air. Mississippi is under investigation and they admit to secondary violations. How did their coach handle it. "Rules are rules," Nutt told the Clarion-Ledger. "The difficult thing is I didn't think we were doing anything wrong. But the good thing is we won't make the same mistake again."
Wow, Nutt is the class of the bunch.
 

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I was an English major and had 24 hrs of graduate studies in English Literature when I ran out of GI Bill. I point this out only because you are probably right about the preaching part of some of my posts. You combine an English Major and a Math minor and you get some of the shit that I post. I must say I was more comfortable talking about the 28 yr old than I was about W/L ATS. I am a work in process but that has been going on for 63 years now, I am used to that.
 

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For the record

Since I do not have an established W/L ATS and my credibility is in question I will accept the challenge in this manner. Here are my first picks for week one, based on the O/L from whatever you guys use as a standard. These are for the record and just to make it "transparent" that I do not use outside sources or tout services, etc. Here are my picks.

Cal
UTEP
Baylor
ILL
N. C. ST

Maybe this will call off the hounds and I can climb down out of this damn tree. I will not change these picks or decide to delete them later. I may add one or two and I may just throw a little parlay together but these are set in stone.
 

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Western Kentucky officially becomes a member of the Sun Belt Conference this year. Good recruiting is one way to begin to grow a program and become a competitive team. This year WKU had the number one rated recruiting class in the conference. Their only wins LY were against E. Kentucky and Murray St. so they defintely have a long way to go. Well, you have to start some where.
 

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Since I do not have an established W/L ATS and my credibility is in question I will accept the challenge in this manner. Here are my first picks for week one, based on the O/L from whatever you guys use as a standard. These are for the record and just to make it "transparent" that I do not use outside sources or tout services, etc. Here are my picks.

Cal
UTEP
Baylor
ILL
N. C. ST

Maybe this will call off the hounds and I can climb down out of this damn tree. I will not change these picks or decide to delete them later. I may add one or two and I may just throw a little parlay together but these are set in stone.

Tell you what, if you ever used a tout service and were discovered by another poster and it was not just a one-time thing, you wouldn't be called out so much on stealing someone else's picks, (which would happen) but considered a fool for throwing your money away. Most of the service plays are posted here at the Rx in plenty of time to use them, so why indulge in something that's worth no more than what the Rx forums charge here? Zilch.

I will tell you that there are some sharp players showing up here and if you can spot them or mooch a couple of the hot cappers plays, your bankroll will appreciate it. I use my own strictly but I will also say who's play I mooched if that's what I did as well. Just a courtesy.

Many posters here have gone to great lengths to expose the scamdicapers. While we accept the fact that some posters end up professional touts with paying clients, at least we know something that's real about their reputation, and that they do put in an honest day's work instead of throwing darts blindfolded for their GOW or "investors special" or however it's hyped.

Don't sweat it. It's much more of a routine thing than it seems. You will see how people do it. Often threads with a player's picks will attract a lot of traffic. That's a good way to tell who's hot and who's not in a given week, especially if their posted record isn't apparent.

I'll tell you what, you can wait until the lines open before you commit yourself. You can pick up a side or total later on (as long as a few who need a pick can mooch it in a timely way.) or you can cancel your wager, as long as it's before the game starts.

Week 1 lines may come out fairly soon and often they are way off by comparison to the lines released a week before the games. But it doesn't matter which line you use as long as you specify where you got it from about the same time you posted your play.

Note the menu bar on the top of this page where it says "free odds" -- well that's where about 10 or so books are listed fairly soon after they open, with the lines updated constantly, totals too.

Here was my last selection post of the regular season in 2008. (Week 15 games) just so you can see how they are done. There is no set rules how you choose to present it but just make sure you are in time and if you found a very good line that's not common, please include where you found the line (which offshore book) and of course the line you bet so any discrepancies or close results can be accurately graded. Do your own grading too. That can be done at the end of your "picks" thread Saturday night or Sunday morning after the results are in.

It is DEFINITELY better to start your own picks thread each week so you can find your plays after all is said and done. It will probably be buried about 6 or 7 pages in by the end of Saturday unless you bump it back to the top a few times by posting something like "bump" to advance your thread to the top of the front page again.
 

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When I came on here I told you I was new to forums. I also had never really used a spreadsheet on excel of this magnitude before and I had to learn how to copy and paste. Old school all the way. So to come out of the shoot on my first bull I was holding on for dear life. Well like you said at best maybe I am a "work in progress". Never the less I am an independent handicapper with a record of success that I cannot document. So I will make picks on here even though I usually avoid frenzies and avoid distraction and confusion at all costs. I think I see how you document them because they are a matter of record once posted and I guess you are saying everyone keeps track of their own documented picks. Okay, I think I have it. Thanks for the kick in the butt and we will see how it goes.
 

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Georgia/Oklahoma State

I look at the stats on this week one opener and I am amazed at how evenly these two teams match up.
Georgia returns 15 starters - 7 Off - 8 Def
Oklahoma State returns 13 starters - 7-Off - 6-Def
Geoegia returns players who accounted for 13 ppg LY
OSU returns players who acounted for 37 ppg LY
LY OSU was #9 in scoring offense (41 ppg)
LY Geo was #59 in scoring defense (24.5 ppg)
LY Geo was #29 in scoring offense (31 ppg)
LY OSU was #76 in scoring defense (28.1 ppg)
LY in turnover margin Geo was +2 and OSU was +5
Now I will turn to some ratings from Phil Steele
Experience Rating - OSU (11), Geo (78) the lower the rating the better
Power Rating - OSU (134.96), Geo (129.41) the higher the better
Power Rating 120 - OSU (14), Geo (11) the lower the better
Projected Pts Differential - OSU (10.6). Geo (10.6) = projected win margin
Special Teams - OSU (14), Geo (21) the lower the better (based on LY)

Georgia is on the road - OSU has the home field advantage

Notes: OSU has a new DC (Bill Young) and that cannot hurt
Geo must replace Stafford and Moreno

We have all summer to pick this bone but those stats and ratings indicate this game will be one hell of a matchup and the way Steele projects them in his Power Rating 120 actually just means that regardless of their W/L record he considers them to be the 11th and 14th strongest teams even though tht may not be reflected in the actual Top 25 polls around the country.

If someone else wants to chew on this bone I would like some insight.
 
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UGA has depth problems at DE and will have trouble getting pressure on the QB from that position. They lose Moreno but they always have a full stable of RBs, its safe to say by now, they reload at that position. Joe Cox to me isn't a QB who can put the team on his back and win the game, he is more of a game manager. It will be interesting how they use Logan Gray because of his versatility with his feet. Thought he looked better in the spring game than Cox. UGA if they get fully healthy, will have a very good OL so that can go a long way for a new QB.
 

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UGA has depth problems at DE and will have trouble getting pressure on the QB from that position. They lose Moreno but they always have a full stable of RBs, its safe to say by now, they reload at that position. Joe Cox to me isn't a QB who can put the team on his back and win the game, he is more of a game manager. It will be interesting how they use Logan Gray because of his versatility with his feet. Thought he looked better in the spring game than Cox. UGA if they get fully healthy, will have a very good OL so that can go a long way for a new QB.

I figure Geo may have the deeper lines but what I really wonder about is when you return players who accounted for 13 ppg LY from a team that was avging 31 ppg. They may have to score 31 to hang and although the OSU def gave up 28 ppg LY they have a new DC who may play games with a new QB on the road. It may come down to a seasoned gunslinger vs. a game manager like you said. If Geo comes to OSU and wins that game away from home and on opening weeked they could be a real force. OSU usually has an edge on SPT but that may turn out a wash which may take a little from their bag of tricks. People in Oklahoma have a saying about OSU, "remember they are still the waddies." Translation, no matter how good it may look, they always seem to let you down. I am basically an OU fan but I root for OSU except when they play OU. Even if OSU wins and their defense looks better than expected the verdict on that defense will still be out until they face a veteran Big 12 QB.
 

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First off, Cox has been there forever. He knows the system and has started 3-4 games in the past. I like what he brings to the table and more importantly the coaches like him and trust him. There's a lot to be said when you aren't looking over your shoulder when you make a bad play as QB. He's the man and 2-3 bad mistakes won't change that. He knows it and so do the coaches.

UGA's defense will better than last year. Jeff Owens(one of the best DT's in the sec/nation) was out all of last year but appears to be in the best shape of his UGA career.

Nobody who remotely follows the SEC thinks there will be a dropoff at rb. There just simply won't be, Richard Samuel will be BETTER than Moreno, mark it down. He's bigger, faster, stronger... you name it. Caleb King is solid and will probably be opening day starter but Samuel will get a bulk of the carries as well.

UGA's defense hasn't done a great job in the past of containing offenses like OSU's. When they played in Athens it was much different, Bobby Reid was starting and preferred the pass much more so over the run which played right into UGA's hands. Robinson will have to run a lot to win the game and be effective doing so.

To call Robinson a gunslinger is a little off but I'll give it you, I guess.

Young will be good for OSU but he won't get to Cox. OSU won't be able to get pressure unless they blitz and if they do that will leave machild AJ Green one on one.

This going to be a higher scoring great game. ANything UGA over +3 and I'll give a small shot.
 

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