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@):) Willie says, use common sense, but the only evidence this kook brings is accounts from an "above top secret" messageboard. LMAO.

Okaaaay there clownWil. How bout I just start up a messageboard and get a bunch of posters to bring in their accounts of seeing a plane? You people man. lol

anyhow, according to LilWilly's and MJ's accounts, 5 blurry frames are the only evidence a major metropolitan city can come up with.
 

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You are aware that Bill Doyle the head representative of the largest group of 9/11 families says the majority of the members don't believe the offical fable?

I love how the controlled corporate press spews the bullshit lie about how "It hurts the family members of the victims". Thats an outright lie, the MAJORITY of them want answers to the unanswered questions.

There are unanswered questions, yes, but the vast majority of them are about why our gov't didn't do a better job of protecting us with better intel. Very few questions remain regarding what happened on 9/11.
 

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3peet brings some rehashed old argument that's several years old and he thinks he's got game, LOL.

Everything that could possibly be said to help you kooks sniff a clue as been said in many a thread many a times.

The link a provided gives a more substantive argument than every kook thread combined.

Suffice to say, the Rocky Mountains are bigger than a mole hill, thus you lose.
 

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Four planes hi-jacked on the same day around the same time and all but 1 hits a building?

Good thing they released the full videos of the plane hitting the pentagon or some Arab flying a jumbo jet into the most protected building in the world might seem far-fetched.

I guess some people never stop believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.
 

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Four planes hi-jacked on the same day around the same time and all but 1 hits a building?

Good thing they released the full videos of the plane hitting the pentagon or some Arab flying a jumbo jet into the most protected building in the world might seem far-fetched.

I guess some people never stop believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.


They don't address the missing planes, the missing crews the missing passengers, why all those families mourned the loss of loved ones. They don't have to think anything through, while they expect us to answer for every minutia of detail.

They have no idea how a legal scale works, or in this case argumentative evidence.

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They believe that if you put a feather on one side, and the Empire State Building on the other side, the feather weighs more.

Did you know? People like Barbara Olsen are living under the Witness Protection Program somewhere?

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Bardude, I fell off the wagon. Looking for a new sponsor.

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Four planes hi-jacked on the same day around the same time and all but 1 hits a building?

Good thing they released the full videos of the plane hitting the pentagon or some Arab flying a jumbo jet into the most protected building in the world might seem far-fetched.

I guess some people never stop believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

I have heard this "most protected building in the world" stuff before. What makes you think it is a true statement?
 

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Hey MJ, all I"m saying, a plane goes down, there's a gazillion + 1 accounts flooding youtube with different angles and tapes.

An alleged plane smashes the pentagon and only 1 view? Gas station tape? Marriot hotel tape, the freeway/traffic tape.....all confiscated from the FBI within minutes? I mean all we have is 5 blurry frames from the Pentagon security gate of an airliner flying at 500+ mph / 100 feet off the ground into a building of a major metropolitan city?

Just sayin.

The Pentagon layout and construction techniques are top secret.

Is it really unreasonable to assume we don't want you tube video's of a gaping hole in the Pentagon flowing around the internet?

I mean come on.
 

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The Pentagon layout and construction techniques are top secret.

Is it really unreasonable to assume we don't want you tube video's of a gaping hole in the Pentagon flowing around the internet?

I mean come on.

Who's talking about Pentagon blueprints and structural collapse studies? I'm talkin about footage OTHER THAN THE PENTAGON'S of the "supposed" plane going down from various other sources? How is that so hard to provide? Why in the world would the FBI take those? Because national security deems it dangerous to see what a plane looks like flying low near the pentagon? Thats the lamest excuse yet.
 

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There are unanswered questions, yes, but the vast majority of them are about why our gov't didn't do a better job of protecting us with better intel. Very few questions remain regarding what happened on 9/11.

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Who's talking about Pentagon blueprints and structural collapse studies? I'm talkin about footage OTHER THAN THE PENTAGON'S of the "supposed" plane going down from various other sources? How is that so hard to provide? Why in the world would the FBI take those? Because national security deems it dangerous to see what a plane looks like flying low near the pentagon? Thats the lamest excuse yet.

Yes...it's reasonable to assume there are national security issues with any video of a plane slamming into the Pentagon.

Common sense that most Americans understand quite well.
 

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Not sure if this is true but I read somewhere that the plane that hit the pentagon was only half full and almost all passengers were government people, ex FBI and ex military and then four terroist. Heres my question if true and there were ex military guys on that plane you would think they would have tried to over power the terroist like with the other plane that crashed.
 

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Not sure if this is true but I read somewhere that the plane that hit the pentagon was only half full and almost all passengers were government people, ex FBI and ex military and then four terroist. Heres my question if true and there were ex military guys on that plane you would think they would have tried to over power the terroist like with the other plane that crashed.

There was no plane....spook
 

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=postrow><TD class=postcontent style="BORDER-TOP: rgb(0,0,0) 6px solid; FONT-SIZE: 14px; LINE-HEIGHT: 22px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(80,80,80)" vAlign=top bgColor=#505050 height="90%">"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20

"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News

Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn�t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001

"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001

That's just a small smattering of people who have gone on record as seeing the plane, and the plane hit the Pentagon. I could have included the dozens of people who saw the plane, but didn't see it hit (because it went behind a bridge, a hill, or some trees), but I choose only to post the ones that sounded the most valid and actually saw the plane hit the building. (I included the one firechief who states he saw some plane wreckage during firefighting/rescue attempts.) There are most likely twenty times more that either haven't been publicly recorded as seeing the crash, or simply don't want the attention. You can't honeslty sit there and deny the witnesses, the photographs, the facts, the science, and the reality that there was a terrorist attack on the Pentagon if you look at everything available and not one single tidbit of information at a time.

911 Tape of EMV responding to the Pentagon - includes video outside and inside the building in some areas. (Real Audio Required)


Conclusion
I highly doubt that local firefighters would be involved in any sort of a coverup. I highly doubt that local police officers would be involved in any sort of a government cover up. Cops and firemen are just average Joes like you and me, who go home to the wife and kids, and just try to make a living and have a good life for their families (I have many friends in both professions - of course the firemen are usually more stable marriage-wise because of their job but that doesn't make the cops any less human than you or I). The men and women who pulled over a hundred people (dead and alive) out of that building would more likely than not have noticed somebody carrying over 60 bodies into the middle of the fire they were fighting. To say that the plane that hit the Pentagon was not filled with every single person who died in this terrorist attack (not counting the unfortunate people inside the building) is one thing and one thing only - ignorant.

Review the facts
Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
Rims found in building match those of a 757
Small turbine engine outside is an APU
Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage


You cannot dispute the facts, a 757 hit the Pentagon killing everyone onboard and many inside the building. It was a terrorist attack and the only fault with the government here is with their failure to prevent or stop it.
For an alternative viewpoint to this article, visit The Pentagon Was Not Hit by a 757.

[edit on 14-5-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

ATS ADMIN NOTE: Nearly five years after the catastrophic events of 9/11/2001, many questions still surround this defining moment of the post-cold-war world. Among the many questions are the various speculations that the Pentagon attack was by some other means than a hijacked passenger airliner.

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Good article...This is the first time I've seen this. All I've heard from conspiracy thearists all of this time was "where's the eyewitnesses to the crash"? I've always thought that has to be an impossibilty considering the population in that area. It still amazes me that some of the same people who believe in Jesus resurrection 2000 years ago based on a few eyewitness accounts, but refuse to believe the eyewitness accounts of the Pentagon crash 8 years ago. Or the WTC for that fact.
 

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Not sure if this is true but I read somewhere that the plane that hit the pentagon was only half full and almost all passengers were government people, ex FBI and ex military and then four terroist. Heres my question if true and there were ex military guys on that plane you would think they would have tried to over power the terroist like with the other plane that crashed.

Not true except for the half full part. All four planes had lower than normal occupancy, a fact that has spawned more kooky theories. Tuesday is not a high traffic day for the airline industry generally.
 

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Good article...This is the first time I've seen this. All I've heard from conspiracy thearists all of this time was "where's the eyewitnesses to the crash"? I've always thought that has to be an impossibilty considering the population in that area. It still amazes me that some of the same people who believe in Jesus resurrection 2000 years ago based on a few eyewitness accounts, but refuse to believe the eyewitness accounts of the Pentagon crash 8 years ago. Or the WTC for that fact.

Not to mention the flight data recorder allows the NTSB to know exactly the details of the flight and the trail of clipped streetlight poles and a large generator in the path of the plane tell the same story. It's a no brainer really.
 

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