Let me get this straight. What are the childish comments going to say after Florida

bucknuts · Nov 28, 2008

The bowl season will settle this thread....until then, enjoy the last couple of weeks of football!!!!! It will play itself out.

MajorGCG · Nov 28, 2008

You lose a lot of credibility by saying "gaytor". This isn't a fan site as many point out and I'm merely pointing out strong aspects of a team I follow very closely. If you can't handle posting more maturely perhaps you should go elsewhere?

Do I think UF can run over Alabama? Yes I believe it's possible. Why? Because matchups are not in favor of Alabama. Speed, depth, QB play, WR play, etc. Bama will have to score early and keep UF out of the endzone early. That hasn't happened all year long - including against Ole Miss. That team is nothing like it was in week 4. If you can't see that then your head is in the sand. Meanwhile, Bama hasn't played well since the first half of the UGA game. Smoke and Mirrors, which is a testament to Saban and the coaching job he's done this year. IMO, the Gators are superior at almost every position, but that's why they play the games. Dec 6 will be a very intersting game.

MSUSpartans · Nov 28, 2008

Conan said:
Personally I don't care and I don't think SOS is as important as you make it out to be. That says nothing about the team you are ranking. It leaves some room for doubt but nothing more. It proves nothing. In USC's case, it's a convenient excuse to rid yourself of the team you fear the most. So you make SOS the biggest factor of them all. That approach is full of holes in so many ways I cant' begin to explain how. SOS does NOT make the team. How much more obvious can anything be?

I agree, somewhat. But SOS must be considered in the bottom line when comparing teams with the same record.

Prime example this year is Tulsa. At the halfway point this year, they were ranked 1# in points/game and near the top in yards/game, yet played a SOS at the near bottom of 1-A.

Conan · Nov 28, 2008

MSUSpartans said:
I agree, somewhat. But SOS must be considered in the bottom line when comparing teams with the same record.

Prime example this year is Tulsa. At the halfway point this year, they were ranked 1# in points/game and near the top in yards/game, yet played a SOS at the near bottom of 1-A.

I see in Tulsa's case an EXTREME example of SOS (as well as anyone can say with just 1/2 season played) carrying more weight. SOS changes throughout the season so I bet their stats didn't hold up throughout. Also, how strong were their opponents when they played them compared to where they end up when the time comes to rank the best at the end?

And what about other statistical rankings, total defense/total offense best vs pass/rush etc.? Wouldn't that offset SOS if a team is ranked #1 in some key statistical categories like an overpowering top rated team should be if it has a weak SOS? And shouldn't a team's rank be lower if they have a poorer statistical rank in some key categories too?

This sort of thing is never talked about in the human polls, mostly just SOS, and who knows how they break things down in the computer rankings?

I think to get to the truth you might need to rank a winless team beneath a one-loss team but that will probably never fly (unless you are MWC or WAC) though the truth could easily be found there. Just saying.

MSUSpartans · Nov 28, 2008

Conan said:
I see in Tulsa's case an EXTREME example of SOS (as well as anyone can say with just 1/2 season played) carrying more weight. SOS changes throughout the season so I bet their stats didn't hold up throughout. Also, how strong were their opponents when they played them compared to where they end up when the time comes to rank the best at the end?

And what about other statistical rankings, total defense/total offense best vs pass/rush etc.? Wouldn't that offset SOS if a team is ranked #1 in some key statistical categories like an overpowering top rated team should be if it has a weak SOS? And shouldn't a team's rank be lower if they have a poorer statistical rank in some key categories too?

This sort of thing is never talked about in the human polls, mostly just SOS, and who knows how they break things down in the computer rankings?

I think to get to the truth you might need to rank a winless team beneath a one-loss team but that will probably never fly (unless you are MWC or WAC) though the truth could easily be found there. Just saying.

Right now, Tulsa is still #2 in points/game and #1 in yards/game. They have since lost to Arkansas and Houston. Havent been any surprise teams on the schedule. My point is, SOS should be considered along with stats.

RDTrains · Nov 28, 2008

FSU ATS & ML for me

1. Play On - A home team vs. the money line (FLORIDA ST) - in a game involving two explosive offensive teams (>=34 PPG), after a win by 28 or more points.
(32-3 since 1992.) (91.4%, +36 units. Rating = 8*)

The situation's record this season is: (4-0, +5.1 units).
Over the last 3 seasons the situation's record is: (7-0, +8.1 units).
Over the last 5 seasons the situation's record is: (9-0, +10.1 units).
Over the last 10 seasons the situation's record is: (19-1, +24.4 units).

2. Play On - Home underdogs of 10.5 to 21 points (FLORIDA ST) - off a road win, when playing on a Saturday.
(27-3 over the last 5 seasons.) (90%, +23.7 units. Rating = 5*)

The situation's record this season is: (3-1).
Over the last 3 seasons the situation's record is: (18-2).

Conan · Nov 28, 2008

MSUSpartans said:
Right now, Tulsa is still #2 in points/game and #1 in yards/game. They have since lost to Arkansas and Houston. Havent been any surprise teams on the schedule. My point is, SOS should be considered along with stats.

Nice try. Who ever said that SOS doesn't count? You have no point to make.
The question is why are key stat rankings not considered? They are just as important as SOS.

MSUSpartans · Nov 29, 2008

Conan said:
Nice try. Who ever said that SOS doesn't count? You have no point to make.
The question is why are key stat rankings not considered? They are just as important as SOS.

Ok cry because my point doesnt fit into your reasoning. I never said stats werent important, but that SOS is just as important. Where as you seem to make the point that SOS has little to no value.