Yeah but shaq never won without a star guard. Kobe and dwayne wade. Just saying. Shaq was great but the nba is dominated by the guard position....
The kobe/ jordan discussion is a lot closer than people think. Both legends. Kobe won two rings after having l.a. rebuild his team around him. Remember the 81 pt game? Smush Parker, chris mihm. What other bums was he playing with.
its not a made up stat, but yes kobe would have less haters if he took less bad shots. He is the only player that can make them but obviously at a low percentage. Hes got 5 rings doing it this way. He has the ball in his hands the whole game and he still won a lot more than most greats. What does that say about his skills? Hes top 5.
again, three (more than half) of his rings were from riding shaq's back..
Shaq in the finals:
2000- Averaged 38.0 points, 16.7 rebounds and 2.67 blocks to lead the Lakers to a 4-2 victory over the Indiana Pacers and the franchise’s first NBA Championship since 1988. O’Neal’s best Finals performances came at the Staples Center with 43 points, 19 rebounds in Game #1, 40 points, 24 rebounds in Game #2 and 41 points, 12 rebounds in Game #6.
2001-Averaged 33.0 points, 15.6 rebounds and 3.40 blocks to lead the Lakers to a 4-1victory over the Philadelphia 76ers and the franchise’s second consecutive NBA Championship. O’Neal’s best Finals performances came at the Staples Center with 44 points, 20 rebounds and five assists in Game #1, 28 points, 20 rebounds and nine assists in Game #2 and 34 points, 14 rebounds in Game #4.
2002-Averaged 36.3 points, 12.3 rebounds and 2.75 blocks to lead the Lakers to a sweep of the New Jersey Nets and the franchise’s third consecutive NBA Championship. O’Neal’s best Finals performances came at the Staples Center with 36 points, 16 rebounds and four blocks in Game #1, 40 points, 12 rebounds and eight assists in Game #2, 35 points, 11 rebounds and four blocks in Game #3.
no where near jordan.. & mobbdeeper the same statement can be made that kobe never won without a start C/PF (Shaq, Gasol, Bynum). forget jordan, lebron nearly has kobe beat in every statistical category. much better team player and making his teammates better, better passer, better defensively, better at rebounding, etc etc. and i hate lebron so that is no way shape or form bias lol.
This is interesting because Kobe Bryant himself tweeted "Lbj doesn't need to prove that. I had Shaq+ Pau, Mj had Pip. Magic had worthy + Kareem etc. AND we all had great teammates" in response to a fans tweet saying "lbj has yet to prove he can win a championship without 2 other superstars." Point being, all of these players had very solid supporting casts through out their careers. Regardless of how they how were acquired. If it were trade, free agency. MJ and Kobes(sorry, but unless LeBron goes to LAL he's done.) career's are over. LeBron, however, could be in the midst of doing something spectactular. He could potentially make 5 straight NBA Finals appearances, and 6 total NBA Finals appearances by age 30. Where he can never be as efficient as MJ's 6 for 6 NBA Titles but if Bron could manage to go 3 for 6 at age 30, when MJ(because of college and baseball) was 35 when he won his 6th, he could realistically get to 3 to 4 more NBA Finals being in the East and with this young roster in Cleveland. A lot of if's and potentials but let's just let this guy finish out his career. We are all getting to watch a guy who we will tell our kid's, grand kids, and even great grand kids about some day. Just enjoy the ride.
